Talk:List of association football stadiums by country/Archive 1

Stadiums
Good source of (perhaps uotdated?) information on stadiums: World Stadiums. -Mariano 14:16, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Why is Stanley Park Stadium (new Liverpool stadium) listed? I think it should be removed from the list because they haven't even started building it. The stadium is still in the planning stages and may not even be built.


 * Feel free to make the change. :) --Sebastian Kessel Talk 02:02, 17 September 2005 (UTC)


 * It is unupdated.--J3wishVulcan 00:50, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I realize I will probably get slammed for this but what is called football in this article  in the US Canada and I believe OZ is called soccer. Should the title be perhaps football/soccer or football(soccer) or association football stadiums by capacity. Smith03 19:47, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It would be highly unfair to jump in and slam you as you say for a comment that is a fair one to make. When various versions of football are spoken of on a global scale it is widely accepted by every olympic committee on earth bar the USA and Canada that Football is the game known in those two countries as Soccer. The added fact that the other versions of football are only played professionally at a high level in four or five nations at most in each case also leaves the reader of this article in little doubt as to which sport is being talked of. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Captainbeecher (talk • contribs) 22:59, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Latin plural
Shouldn't the title actually be List of football stadia by capacity? Autiger 22:10, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Both "stadia" and "stadiums" are acceptable plurals of "stadium", although I would use "stadia" myself. Rje 01:56, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Largest stadium
Which is larger: Maracanã in Brazil or Salt Lake in India? The Maracanã used to hold 103K but this is now less with all seater events. The Indian stadium seems to hold 120K with all seater. Which is right?
 * Also, Estadio Azteca is listed as being larger than Maracanã. This section needs updating.--Yukata Ninja 21:26, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Estadio Azteca should be the biggest stadium. Salt Lake Stadium doesn't count, because it's not only used for football. The biggest stadium where football can be played is May Day stadium in North Korea (150000 all-seater)

Wembley
Is wembley still opening in 2006?

Nope, 2007 now. Jameswilson 02:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Why aren't American Football Stadiums included?
It doesn't make much sense to not include all football stadiums in the US, especially because Soccer Specific Stadiums is something of a misnomer, as American football can be played in them just as easily as the international variety.


 * Then you should add Canadian Football too.


 * And Gaelic Athletic Association stadia in Ireland. Stadia like St. Tiernach's in Clones hold 36,000 people... far more than Oriel Park.

It's an odd list, it should be as the title suggests - football stadiums, not just soccer. Most of the Australian grounds only have a minor or recent connection to soccer. --Angry mob mulls options 16:49, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

see my question at the top of the pageSmith03 21:05, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Approve page move. I think this is a good idea and should stop some confusion.  If other sports want similar lists, similar to the List of Test cricket grounds, they can be made as well.  In addition, there is the main List of stadiums list. Patken4 21:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Approve The other thing is, calling Telstra and the MCG etc. soccer stadiums is a bit of a stretch, sure there is the occasional game there, but they are mainly rugby league and Australian rules venues. --Angry mob mulls options 07:01, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The organization of this list is highly POV.  The Rose Bowl in Pasadena hosted a World Cup final, but it's arbitrarily deemed not to be a "soccer stadium" by virtue of gridiron football played there.   That's ridiculous.   This list should include multipurpose stadia in which significant numbers of soccer games are or have been played, or in which particularly significant games have been played.  Every World Cup stadium should qualify, regardless of what other teams happen to play there.   Deeming every single USA '94 stadium "not a soccer stadium" is POV because it asserts a highly controversial view on what a soccer stadium is.   And regarding the discussion above, my point has nothing to do with the coincidence in names between American football and association football. - PhilipR 04:46, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * a highly controversial view on what a soccer stadium  Yeah, a stadium where soccer is played. Call the police.

Camp Nou and Bernabeu
that stadium in Barcelona have a capacity of 98.787, as is wrote on the official site of the Barcelona F.C. http://www.fcbarcelona.com/cat/historia/historia/campnou1.shtml The capacity that was reported here (115.000) was the old one, before the new UEFA and FIFA laws.

the Santiago Bernabeu have 75.145 seats, as it's wrote on the main site of the Real Madrid.

City
Shouldn't cities be listed? Every stdium I see I wonder, where is it? And I'd have to click on the stadium. I'd consider it essential information really.

Move (again)?
"football (soccer)" makes me cringe. How about List of association football stadiums by capacity? Isopropyl 22:01, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It should be just the unambiguous soccer, however soccer fans for some inexplicable reason think they have sole rights to the word, and arguing them down to football (soccer) is as far as it got. Which now appears to be the de facto standard --Angry mob mulls options 14:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Are there any specific objections to using association football? That one's unambiguous. Isopropyl 03:55, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * From me, no. But you'll find football (soccer) is the most commonly used label, and the name of the soccer article itself (speaking of which, you can read the many arguments about the name here) --Angry mob mulls options 08:14, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * This article should be moved to List of football stadiums by capacity, as it is not just soccer stadiums. In fact i would have to say there are more stadiums there for sports other than soccer like, football (AFL).

Let's just leave it be. Isopropyl 04:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * "football (soccer)" makes me cringe as well. Fully support a move to List of association football stadiums by capacity Tancred 17:59, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Clubs
As much as I love the AFL, shouldn't we only be listing football (soccer) clubs, and not others? If we are to include the AFL clubs (the only non-soccer clubs I can find on the list) we are going to have to add in the other non-soccer clubs as appropriate. Also regarding Australia, could any stadium be said to be the national team's home? They have played matches at the MCG, Telstra Stadium, Telstra Dome, Aussie Stadium, and maybe others (plus they were scheduled to play at Adelaide Oval, before the Lebanon thing) --Xyzzyva 12:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * (the only non-soccer clubs I can find on the list) Not sure what you mean by this, I see 9 NRL clubs, and 3 S14. But looking at the list, the first venue that could realistically called a soccer stadium is Central Coast Stadium (and that was developed for Norths originally). There's no senior soccer played at Canberra Stadium, hasn't been for yonks. So most of don't have soccer clubs using them, so we're left with listing the teams that are tenants --Angry mob mulls options 19:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Very true, I wasn't paying much attention! But where are we drawing the line about whether something is a soccer stadium or a stadium for something else?  In the US section, only "soccer-specific stadiums" are being listed, while in the Australia section anything that could possibly hold soccer is listed.  IMO, the MCG is no more (and quite a bit less) a soccer stadium than Arrowhead, RFK, etc.  Why has it been decided to exclude those stadiums primarily used for the NFL or MLB?  There may be other examples of this inconsistency through the list, but I only really know American and Australian sports, and those seem the two most likely to have non-soccer stadiums in the first place.  --Xyzzyva 02:02, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * To me, I would only list stadiums where there is primary tenant that plays soccer (such as Giants Stadium or RFK) or stadiums that are the main venues for national teams (such as Telestra Stadium). I know Telestra does not host all of Australia's games, but it does seem to host big ones (witness the WC qualifier against Uruguay).  I'm not sure about the MCG or others on the Australia list.  If we were to list all stadiums that could host soccer games, there would literally be hundreds from the US alone (with all the pro and college football stadium out there).  I wouldn't have a big problem with those stadiums that have either hosted soccer clubs as a primary tenant in the past (such as Soldier Field or the Cotton Bowl) or those that have hosted big matches in the past (such as the Rose Bowl).  The US list would be longer, however.Patken4 01:53, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe, since this is a list by capacity, we could provide a threshold. One proposal: we include all stadiums with more than 30/40/50 thousand seats and the 10/15/20 largest in a country, whichever is more inclusive.  Alternatively: how about including stadiums used for each country's highest football (soccer) league, plus those used for their national team (and maybe only those that have been used in the past 1/2/3 years).  The difficulty with this whole list is that consistency is hard to maintain in such a diverse world.  The more I think about it, the more I like the second proposal of mine, as it's similar to yours, Patken.  But we Americans and Australians sure do make this endeavor difficult.  Perhaps we should either go for soccer or give it up altogether, not do this halfway thing (because the structure of international sports should be dictated by Wikipedia pages!)  :-)  --Xyzzyva 04:01, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well. I've been bold and done option 2, for Oz anyway --Angry mob mulls options 06:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Disputed
Of the top 4 stadiums capacity listed in this articial is not consitant with their wiki articla let alone the rest of the net (Gnevin 14:38, 11 November 2006 (UTC))
 * Looks like User:Azteca12d made some wholesale changes to the capacities of the various stadiums. Before his changes, the capacites were much closer to what is in the articles and elsewhere on the net.  I can see differences of a few thousand being acceptable because different sources will have those same differences.  I don't know if they listed the stadiums capacities that were the historical capacity (for instance, the Maracana did hold about 200,000 at one point, but doesn't anymore).  If you want, you can leave a message on Azteca12d's talk page to see where they got their information from. Patken4 16:32, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Should the capacity be reversed back then? --Manop - TH 00:13, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Proposals
I have changed the page name from 'List of football (soccer) stadiums by capacity' to 'List of football (soccer) stadiums by country.

I think we should now create a new page called 'List of football (soccer) stadiums by capacity', which would be an extended version of the part at the top of the current page covering stadiums with capacity over 80,000

This would mean we could have a list of all the football stadiums in the world by capacity, without the current page getting too long. We can delete the current part dealing with stadiums over 80,000 and move it to the new page

I also propose creating another new page called 'List of stadiums by capacity'. This would have stadiums for all sports arranged by capacity. This would avoid arguments about what can or cant be classed as a football(soccer) stadium. It would feature stadiums used for American football, American College football, Multi-purpose stadiums, athletics,Rugy league/Union,Aussie Rules, everything

Please discuss these proposals here, as I am interested in what people think Willy turner 13:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Not a bad idea. However, would it be that much different than List of stadiums?  That list seems to have everything, including indoor arenas.  Now it doesn't have the capacity of each stadium.  If necessary, we could make a List of Stadiums over 80,000 people (or some other figure).  Perhaps a move of List of football (soccer) stadiums by capacity to that could do the trick and add in the missing stadiums.   Patken4 22:09, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Patken4. As you can see i have moved the stadiums over 80,000 to List of football (soccer) stadiums by capacity, and have made the capacitys more accurate. Hope no-one thinks this is too contoversial.

There is no reason to stop at over 80,000. I feel we can expand the list to at least 40,000 or 50,000.

The proposed page List of stadiums by capacity would be very different from List of stadiums. Mainly it would allow an easy comparison between the sizes of stadiums. For example if you knew the size of a particular stadium and wondered how its capacity compared to others, you couldnt really do that easily on the existing List of stadiums page. That page is a list of all the stadiums in a particular country; wearas List of stadiums by capacity would be the largest stadiums (and indoor arenas?) in the world by capacity, starting with the largest.


 * I'll break my comments up so you know what I am referring to. I would fine with this.  Some could say this would be Listcruft, though.  List of stadiums may be getting too long as it is.  We may need to break it up by continent (and perhaps country for the US and others).  As for an article on capacity, I would limit that a figure.  I would go no lower than 30,000.   Patken4 02:24, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Anyone please feel free to add stadiums to the list on List of football (soccer) stadiums by capacity - see the talk page there.

To turn to the more general points being raised in this discussion page, about what stadiums should or shouldnt be included on this page. It is obviously a grey area, caused by the fact that some stadiums only rarely have football (soccer) played at them, and are much better known for having another sport play there. Well I feel it would be quite arbritary to exclude some dual-use stadiums because 'not enough' football is played there. I mean how much do we decide is enough? So perhaps we should include all stadiums that football is played on at least once every season?


 * I would add any stadium that has hosted an international in the last 2-3 years or hosts a club in that country's top division (so, I would include Giants Stadium because it is Metrostars primary home until they move to a new stadium in 2008). I would make exceptions for other notable stadiums (such as Elland Road or Hillsborough) and those that have hosted a final of the World Cup (such as the Rose Bowl).  We should probably get consensus before implementing this.  Patken4 02:24, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Lastly the discussion about the name of the game. ie football (soccer), or association football, or just football? Im sure this argument will be as old as the hills on wikipedia. We have to accept that supporters of association football, American football, Aussie rules? and so on each like to call their game 'football'. No-one has a divine right for the word only to refer to their sport. I use football (soccer) only because that is the phrase used most often on other wikipedia pages. I presume people before us have had the arguments, and come to this resolution. It wouldnt bother me if football (soccer) was refered to as association football though. Willy turner 01:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The argument is as old as the hills. No one seems to want to move this to something else, so football (soccer) seems fine to me.  And if someone wants to make similar lists for rugby, AFL, American Football, baseball, etc, go ahead.  One exists for cricket already.  If it is listcruft, then we can make the necessary changes.  Patken4 02:24, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

scottish stadiums
scottish stadiums shouldnt be under united kingdom as scotland compete separately at sports also its list is wrong as scotland has  42 league football clubs and firs park is the smallest stadium in scotland yet this list has only 23 stadiums listed and should be changed  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.13.137.175 (talk) 01:37, 24 October 2008 (UTC)