Talk:List of awards and nominations received by Madonna/Archive 1

31 Jan 7 question: Madonna's top 5 singles record
In the trivia section of Madonna's achievements/awards page it says this: She has the most consecutive top 20 debuts in the charts (27) from 1983 to 1992. '' Mariah Carey had a #1 every year of the 1990s, so that = 10. So doesnt that beat Madonna's 5 consecutive hits from 1984-9? MC's were all #1, were Madonna's? What is meant by consecutive top 5 singles? Also, didnt MC also beat her 27 top 20 debuts from 1983-1992 in the 1990s with all her #1 songs? Thx for clearing this up. 208.58.196.156 19:11, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) ''Madonna has the most consecutive top 5 singles (16) from 1984 (Lucky star) to 1989 (Cherish).

According to the Billboard Book of Number One Hits article for "Like A Prayer", it says Madonna had been "absent from the Hot 100 for a year and a half before releasing the lead single from her album Like A Prayer.)- Tdawgfive5six9 10:51, 25 November 2005 (UST-6)

20 consecutive top 5 singles mean that these songs went top 5 in a row. When Anytime You Need a Friend was released this broke Mariah Carey's streak in 1994.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariah_Carey_singles_discography http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna_discography

To answer your other question on the top 20 debuts. The song would have to appeared for the first time on the chart at 20 or higher not only move to number 1.

IFPI
In January 3, 2006 the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry released its "Biggest Selling Artists Worlwide" list naming Madonna as the Top-Selling Female Artist of the World with sales of 275,000,000 records, and the 4th biggest selling artist over all.


 * As per the main Madonna article discussion, let's not add the IFPA info until we've got a direct source link.

Tags
Again, this article has become a place for editors to reflect on the greatness of their queen. First and foremost, the article is extremely repetitive. For example, it claims that Madonna is the most successful about ten different times. Also, much of the chart information is repetivive and unsourced. Guys, we still have to remember that this is an article in an encyclopedia. Oran e ( talk  •  cont. ) 07:54, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Completely agree. Addhoc 19:48, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

TRL
"Madonna is the oldest and only female artist of the 1980s to have a video retired on MTV's TRL." 2nd oldest NSYNC and Gloria Estefan "Music of My Heart" November 11, 1999 #2 Gloria Estefan's first and only retired video. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Total_Request_Live_retired_videos

Top 5 Hits
It says in the article that Madonna has 16 consecutive top 5 hits, but I counted 17 on the discography page. Lucky Star, Like a Virgin, Material Girl, Crazy for You, Angel, Dress You Up, Gambler, Live to Tell, Papa Don't Preach, True Blue, Open Your Heart, La Isla Bonita, Who's That Girl, Causing a Commotion, Like a Prayer, Express Yourself, Cherish. That's 17.

It's 16 because Gambler was never released in the US as a single. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler_%28Madonna_song%29

Article Length
This article seems ridiculously long and very hard to read. Granted, Madonna is a successful musician and her achievements should be chronicled, but a lot of the material is presented in a redundant way. Does every #1 and #2 album and single really need to be chronicled here?? Can't this information already be found in her discography?? I believe so. Also, if you still want to chroncle every #1 hit in every single country here, fine, but there is an easier way of presenting the information. 24.14.105.100 02:59, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

BMI Pop Awards
How can Madonna have won with 3 different songs in 1988 as most performed song? Johnnyboytoy (talk) 03:06, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * So? That's what the source say. She also won most performed song with 2 different songs in 2000. Bluesatellite (talk) 04:24, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

New Section
I think that a section should be made for Madonna's records in the Guinness book of world records.

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/Search.aspx?q=madonna — Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperCell3000 (talk • contribs) 02:19, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That is not an award. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  20:09, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

But that is an achievement (SuperCell3000 (talk) 19:34, 5 July 2012 (UTC))

Records
Why is it that on this page, Madonna's records are not listed but records held by Michael Jackson are listed on his awards page? Yet here i am told that her records are not awards? This only proves my point that Wikipedia is bias greatly (72.219.42.115 (talk) 05:13, 31 August 2012 (UTC))
 * Records are not awards! This page is a featured list, Michael Jackson's page is not. Bluesatellite (talk) 04:14, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Billboard Readers Poll
Madonna has recently won 5 awards for this year's poll

http://www.billboard.com/column/year-in-music-2012/madonna-rules-billboard-com-s-readers-poll-1008054552.story#/column/year-in-music-2012/madonna-rules-billboard-com-s-readers-poll-1008054552.story

(72.203.147.78 (talk) 23:29, 18 December 2012 (UTC))

Critics & Readers Poll

 * 1999 ||| Vogue || MTV's 100 Greatest Music Videos Ever Made || #2
 * 1999 ||| Express Yourself|| MTV's 100 Greatest Music Videos Ever Made || #10
 * 1999 ||| Lucky Star || MTV's 100 Greatest Music Videos Ever Made || #50
 * ||| Like a Virgin|| 100 Greatest Pop Songs || #4
 * ||| Vogue|| 100 Greatest Pop Songs || #19
 * ||| Papa Don't Preach|| 100 Greatest Pop Songs || #62
 * ||| Like a Virgin|| 100 Greatest Pop Songs || #4
 * ||| Vogue|| 100 Greatest Pop Songs || #19
 * ||| Papa Don't Preach|| 100 Greatest Pop Songs || #62
 * ||| Vogue|| 100 Greatest Pop Songs || #19
 * ||| Papa Don't Preach|| 100 Greatest Pop Songs || #62
 * ||| Papa Don't Preach|| 100 Greatest Pop Songs || #62
 * ||| Papa Don't Preach|| 100 Greatest Pop Songs || #62


 * Rockonthenet is not reliable. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat  ] 03:46, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

World Music Awards
Madonna has been nominated in the World Music Awards.

Best Female Entertainer. Best Album- MDNA Best Song- Give me all your luvin' Best video- Give me all your luvin'

Why havent these been entered in the awards page and listed as Pending?

http://www.worldmusicawards.com/index.php/vote/

Also, These are a number of records and Polls Madonna has won or been entered in and they are not listed in the awards page. Why is this? Other stars such as Michael Jackson have many records and poll results on their pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.125.4.224 (talk) 21:11, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Madonna's Razzie Awards
I think that we should include Madonna's 9 Razzie Awards since it makes her the actress who won the most "awards" since the Razzies' creation. Amzer (talk) 17:47, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

World Music Awards 2006
Madonna won in 2006 2006 World Music Awards, two categories: "world's Best Selling Pop Artist" and "Best Selling U.S. Artist". . Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.37.33.46 (talk) 22:00, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Awards Page
I think we should do Madonna's awards page like Michael Jakcson's,Janet Jackson's and Whitney Houston's.We should include critics polls(Rolling Stone's 500 Best Albums,NME Greatest Albums,VH1 Greatest Artists etc.) and sales awards(aka certifications). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silverhustle1508 (talk • contribs) 10:13, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Recognition is different and certifications are different. The former can be categorized in this since it is based on critic's opinion, while the latter is just money bought with label. Nope certifications cannot be listed in this featured article. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 17:59, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * this is the third time that you have come from the block and reverted the removal of certifications. Now let me get this straight with you. Provide proof here that certifications are awards. WP:BURDEN is yours to prove this that the label do not buy them with money and auditing of albums/singles shipped. Prove it else the certifications get removed. I will give you 1 days time. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 18:05, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Certifications are awards and this is the proof: https://www.bpi.co.uk/certified-awards.aspx.And this:http://www.bpi.co.uk/qualifying-criteria.aspx

Also: The RIAA® Gold® and Platinum® Awards program was launched in 1958 to honor artists and create a standard by which to measure sales of a sound recording. First awarded to LP recordings but expanded to a variety of formats as technology advanced to include cassette tapes, CDs, digital tracks, digital albums, and ringtones, more than 14,000 titles have been certified Gold by the RIAA since 1958.

In the beginning, there was only a Gold® album award for the sale of 500,000 copies. As the industry grew, other awards were developed. The Platinum® award (1,000,000 sold) was created in 1976 and with the advent of the compact disc and the subsequent increase in sales, the Multi-Platinum™ award was created in 1984. In 1999, the RIAA® launched the Diamond® Awards, honoring sales of 10 million copies or more of an album or single.

Spanning more than 55 years, the Gold®, Platinum®, Multi-Platinum™ and Diamond® award programs are the longest-running objective measure of achievement for sound recordings in the United States, and provide an unmatched historical perspective on the success of countless recording artists. The RIAA® has charted the entire careers of such veteran artists as Johnny Mathis, Frank Sinatra, Glenn Miller, The Beach Boys, Barbra Streisand, Bob Dylan, The Beatles and the Backstreet Boys, as well as documented the popularity of soundtracks, live albums, multi-disc sets and music videos.

You need the sell a certain amount of single/album/long form video/box set to get a certification award.
 * Except, the RIAA clearly confirms that it is paid for by the labels. To make you understand, "All certification audits are conducted for a fee. If multiple sales levels are simultaneously certified, only one audit certification fee is charged. Companies requesting their initial certification audit must incur any travel expenses by the RIAA®'s independent auditor. The charge for certifications is $350 for RIAA® member companies. Non-members are charged $450 per certification, which must be pre-paid.". Try again. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 18:18, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

But BPI doesn't.So BPI is counted as awards but RIAA is not? And you still need to sell a certain amount to get a certification.It's an award. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silverhustle1508 (talk • contribs) 18:27, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * As I explained before, even the BPI accepts it inadvertently from its members but I see you removed it. Next time you remove my comments I will trout slap and drag you to WP:ANI. And for fucks sake learn to sign your posts. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 18:31, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

I didn't remove anything.And be nice.I don't know how to sign.If I can't add Madonna's certifications then I am going to delete Mariah's,Janet's,Whitney's and others.Also I am adding Madonna's critics list positions etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silverhustle1508 (talk • contribs) 18:37, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes you did and the above link shows that, don't lie. Secondly, seeing your editing pattern I vehemently oppose all of your additions and you are not going to add them unless you gain a consensus about the matter in the talk page. You have already broken 3RR on this matter, and I will involve administrators if you further edit the list again unless discussion completes. List your additions here, gain community consensus and then add it in the article. Are we clear? — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 18:41, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

I don't know what personal vendetta you have against Madonna(though it's probably about your reductive fave) but recognition from critics are awards.I will add recognition from VH1 lists,Rolling Stone lists(best albums,best songs,best artists etc.),Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's Definitive 200 Albums,MTV's Greatest Albums Ever,TIME 100 best albums,NME Greatest Albums,EW Best Albums List,Q Best Albums list,Village Voice lists etc.A lot of best albums/songs/artists list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silverhustle1508 (talk • contribs) 18:49, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Lol, dude check my contributions on Madonna. Again if you don't learn to behave civilly here blockville is where you will find yourself again. And as I explained before, you need to achieve consensus here first and then you can add it. This is a featured content, it should be structured accordingly, not per your fancruft. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 04:47, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

People's Choice Awards 2015
Please, insert the People's Choice Awards 2015 nominations for Madonna: " Female artist " and " Music Icon ". Thanks.

Grammy Awards
So her albums, Ray of Light and Music, both received awards at the Grammy's for "Best Recording Package". Although the awards themselves were not in Madonna's name, her music still received the awards. How should be displayed on this article? Should we make a note below the table, much like in the case of the article, List of awards and nominations received by Björk? This information should be most definitely included in the article, but I would definitely like to here what everyone else has to say before a decision is made. Carbrera (talk) 18:19, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Repeating again the same content from my talk page. as well as the continuous lies Carberra has been repeating per this. — Indian: BIO   [ ChitChat  ] 02:38, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh and by the way, we already have a precedence, "You Must Love Me" although being a Madonna song is never listed under her name in the Academy awards section which is not present in the article. Madonna only was the vocalist here. She did not write or compose it. Same as recording packages for Grammys. Madonna had no hand in creating the album booklet or packaging and consequently did not have her name listed in the award. Lol not even in the nomination. And Carbrera I WILL invite the regular moderators of award pages., who had taken this article to FL with user Legolas2186, and  who are well versed in award lists, as well as  also. And also peruse of the definition of Grammy Award for Best Recording Package, " It is presented to the art director of the winning album, not to the performer(s), except if the performer is also the art director". Do you need more explanation or you still want to push the agenda of Madonna winning more award? — Indian: BIO   [ ChitChat  ] 03:01, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It's also important to state that the same happened to Gaga with the Emmy Awards. Lady Gaga Presents the Monster Ball Tour: At Madison Square Garden received 5 nominations, it won the award for Best Editing for a Special (Single or Multi-Camera), but of course Gaga was not the recipient. The reason? Because she was there singing and dancing, not operating the camera. IndianBio has already explained it to you and I don't see any problem to understand that. If you want to add these ROL and Musics awards, you should add them on their main article, not here. Here is just awards and nominations that Madonna is the recipient. Gaga Nutella' talk 03:22, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * IndianBio and GagaNutella said it all. Nothing new for me to add. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:33, 14 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes thank you for the Gaga reference GagaNutella, I forgot about that. We have had issues with IP users there also. It is simply untrue here as it is in the Gaga article for these special categories. The main artist was never the receipient, the award was for the piece of work in question. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 03:39, 14 November 2015 (UTC)


 * , I hope I only have to ask you this one more time: Please stop saying that I am making up lies and vandalizing several pages. It is not appreciated. Your point has been made. Also, who made you the overseer of all of Madonna's pages? Before deleting my incorrectly sourced edit on Confessions on a Dance Floor, you have the ability to fix my error, which I take 100% credibility for, and make it so that the information is displayed correctly. Not cool.
 * , I appreciated hearing what you had to say. I realize that Madonna was not the recipient of the award, and I understand your point made with Gaga; you couldn't have made it any clearer. Personally (and yes IndianBio, I said 'personally'), I think that the information should still be included because of the following reasons:
 * The award is still issued to her work. Sure, it wasn't issued to Madonna personally, but it still was an award to something that wouldn't exist without her. The information has been on the respective albums for a long period of time; they have likely been on the articles since the articles were initially established.
 * Several other Wikipedia articles include the award under 'Award' pages. Here are some examples that have been unedited by myself: Björk, Frank Sinatra, and Carly Simon.
 * What is wrong with adding this piece of information in the form of a note/afterthought? To be honest, there is nothing wrong with this edit. I am not stating anything incorrect, much to the dismay of Cedric, so why am I continually called a liar and a producer of "fancruft"?
 * It provides extra information to the article, which is practically the entire message of Wikipedia. Wikipedia is about working together to improve the quality of the articles. Wikipedia is easily the most accessible and accurate encyclopedia ever made; why must some users continually put down other users? This is against WP:RUDE, and quite frankly, I will no longer tolerate this harassment.
 * That is all I have to say, for now. I look forward to hearing what other users have to say. User:GagaNutella made an extremely valid and informative point. Carbrera (talk) 04:01, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Carbera, you know very well that time and again you said that it was her award, and that is where I said that you are making it up. Do I need to show the edit differences again? Overseer I am most definitely not, but when I see a blatant false interpretation, I will call it out, I don't care. And do you also want to list all scores, Oscar awards, and any award not given to Madonna, but to someone working with her on a project? Do you NOT see what godawful can of worms you would be opening? Just because some award page is misreprsenting facts does not mean that one should push it here also. I still cannot believe that you don't understand that the album's are not just her work. A singer/vocalist is not the sole personnel working on an album. I will take another example. In Adele's award page, the Academy award for "Skyfall", that's only because the Academy award is given to the songwriter's and composers and Adele wrote it. Come to "My Heart Will Go On", it was not given to Celine Dion because she did not wrote it. It could have been any vocalist and pronbably still could have got the award. But what you clearly don't understand is the WP:UNDUE weightage you give to them when you associate it with someone who was not responsible for the award. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 08:36, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

This page is for awards and nominations received by Madonna. Simple as that. Agree with GagaNutella's points. Bluesatellite (talk) 08:48, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I continually said that these awards were for her music, something that you kept getting angry over. You are putting words into my mouth; this is most definitely not "a blatant false interpretation". I know that this page is for awards and nominations "received by" Madonna, but then why are these awards included on the pages for other musical artists? There's a lack of consistency here! It literally cannot hurt to mention this on the page! There is absolutely no logical reason why it cannot! Carbrera (talk) 20:42, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * And please stop saying I "don't understand" this and I "don't understand" that. I get what you're saying, but I see zero reason behind your motives. Carbrera (talk) 20:43, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You don't need to ping me, I have this page watchlisted. Now, as for your 'concern' regarding why these awards are included in other artists page, that's their business. Just because they have listed it does not mean one should list in every article. I think editors here have clearly mentioned why it cannot be listed in this artist's award page, and the information is suitable for the respective music album page. You want logical reason? I am giving you an official policy, WP:UNDUE weightage of content, which has no relation. The album, yes, but the award, in no ways is related to Madonna. This is not List of awards received by Madonna's albums, this is her award page. Something which you seriously are not grasping why mentioning them is a hindrance. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 21:10, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You're not making sense. If multiple articles have it listed, then this one should as well. Now allow me to tell you something you're not grasping: this award does have something that relates to Madonna; the award was given to her music! There would be no win, or nomination for that matter, without the album itself! I still understand what you're saying, but you still aren't making logical points when you practically said that 'inconsistency was okay' and the award "in no ways is related to Madonna." Carbrera (talk) 05:53, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:UNDUE, already told you, do you want me to bold it for you? Not only that, other editors as well as clerks in DR also agree the same about consensus on this. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 22:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)