Talk:List of backmasked messages/Archive 1

Error
Hello,I saw an error with the cradle of filth blackmask : Dinner at Deviants Palace. the link that says 'Album' next to it, refers to the letter 'W'
 * Corrected.  Λυδ α cιτγ  02:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for completing the Eminem backmasking for me ive been to buzy. EliteMike 22:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

To Do
The bottom table needs to merged into the top two tables. TheJabberwock 03:20, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Done.  Λυδ α cιτγ  02:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Are you sure the thing about homestarrunner.com is true?
If it is, I want to hear it because I can't belive Homestar Runner would do that.--Princess Homestar


 * I doubt it. Most of these messages are probably made up. TheJabberwock 01:38, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Those messages are a load of bull sh!t. How do you get viva Satan out of everybody? The "eve" part could get viva, but where does Satan come from? 66.110.233.200 20:51, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

The Beatles
"Rain", "Revolution 9", and "Free As a Bird" are the 3 Beatles songs with uncontested backwards speech. In the case of "Rain", there are too many sources to list: The Beatles Anthology p. 212-214; Lewisohn's Beatles Recording Sessions book, Big Secrets by William Poundstone, etc. St. Jimmy 16:00, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

And now, with the LOVE CD of remixes, there's "Gnik Nus" - "Sun King" backwards! There's also backward guitar in "Tomorrow Never Knows" and "I'm Only Sleeping," backwards cymbals and mellotron in "Strawberry Fields Forever," pretty much everything on "Revolution 9"...--24.90.2.111 03:10, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It's known that the calliope music in Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite! was cut into pieces thrown in the air and reassembled. I believe some pieces were rearranged backwards. MMetro 06:54, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Please Verify
I have found, someone please verify, as I have not found these anywhere else on the internet. i have found that if you play a song fast forward you can hear subliminal message. for example play shania twain "man i feel like a woman" fast forwards.

Idea
Alot of these seem false. Maybe we should have links to wavs of these parts of the songs with the 'message' next to them for accuracy. Keaton 9:58pm EST. 5/28/06


 * Better, and easier, find citations for all the ones at "deliberate backmasking." You're definitely right that a lot sound false. I'll get to it when I have time.  Λυδ α  cιτγ (TheJabberwock) 04:47, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Please Verify
(Henningklevjer 17:55, 8 June 2006 (UTC))


 * If you're planning on moving this message to the "Actual" section, you will need a citation, not just a verification from another editor.  Λυδ α  cιτγ  21:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Again, you need a citation.  Λυδ α  cιτγ  21:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I found a subliminal message in the Pink Floyd song "Mother". It is at the beggining of the track when the lyrics "They'll Drop the Bomb" is heard. by reversing it you can hear "I Love Satan"Ted 05:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Psycho Killer
In "Psycho Killer" The lyrics are actually French for "What is it?" A phrase used in many of their songs. I'm going to add that this is just alleged. --216.37.227.92 00:40, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * oops, it already is--216.37.227.92 00:42, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Sources of reverse speech
There are two different examples of reverse speech: reverse vocal tracks (mostly included in "Deliberate backmasking") and phonetic reversals. While reverse vocal tracks are by definition intentional, phonetic reversals can be coincidental, intentional, or possibly the work of a preternatural or subconscious intelligence. More information on phonetic reversals can be found here:

The most used links are to Reverse Speech, the Backmask Online page and bulletin board , and Doctor Lev's Paul Is Dead website. Also, you can sign up for a free membership to Reversing Machines, where some examples are on the BB's, and both it and Reverse Speech are the domain of David John Oates.

The longer a phonetic reversal is, the less likely that it is coincidence, but at the same time the more difficult and thus less likely it becomes to be intentional. This is a seeming paradox that points toward likely subconscious or preternatural origin for lengthy examples. That is not to say that there couldn't be some that are intentional. Let's not forget what Aleister Crowley advised in his use of reverse memory work for magical purposes:

First Method. Let the Exempt Adept first train himself to think backwards by external means, as set forth here following.

("a") Let him learn to write backwards, with either hand.

("b") Let him learn to walk backwards.

("c") Let him constantly watch, if convenient, cinematograph films, and listen to phonograph records, reversed, and let him so accustom himself to these that they appear natural, and appreciable as a whole.

("d") Let him practise speaking backwards; thus for "I am He" let him say, "Eh ma I".

("e") Let him learn to read backwards. In this it is difficult to avoid cheating one's self, as an expert reader sees a sentence at a glance. Let his disciple read aloud to him backwards, slowly at first, then more quickly.

("f") Of his own ingenium, let him devise other methods. Heff01 02:16, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Interesting.  Λυδ α  cιτγ  22:18, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Clips of backmasked messages
Would it be breaking the copyright laws to have a 5 second clip of a song forwards, and then one to show the backmasked message? If it isnt then we should put up the messages for each song, to verify if they are indeed there. Bearingbreaker92 13:54, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Interesting point. I'd say it's probably not copyvio, since, for example, http://jeffmilner.com/backmasking.htm has longer clips than that. On the other hand, I learned recently that posting full lyrics to a song is actually illegal, despite the proliferation of sites that do this. But if we're allowed to put up 30-second forwards samples, I don't see why we wouldn't be allowed to put up 5-second backwards samples.  Λυδ α  cιτγ  03:28, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Then I'll start working on getting a few up. Audacity, could you give me a quick tutorial on how to put media on this site?  Ive also found a site that has alot of the backmasked messages we need.   Ill google it and put it up later. http://www.wootang.net/backmask/  Thats the site i was talking about, i reccommend checking it out.

Bearingbreaker92 12:34, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

What counts
Does it count if random words or phrases apper in a song when it is played backwards eg. in 2-0-5 by JibJab "I brought missouri" can be heard near the end. (I don't know much about US politics, did Bush aledgely buy missouri.)-- Dr B


 * If the words are there by coincidence, then no, it's not backmasking. As for Missouri, it became a state in 1821.  Λυδ α  cιτγ  21:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing they could be making a claim that Bush bought votes in Missouri, although I have never heard this claim before. --24.27.151.212 08:49, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


 * One small problem -- "brought" and "bought" are not the same thing. -- 12.116.162.162 (talk) 18:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I found that if you play black eyed peas "pump it" it will say "listen to me. ahhh listen to me ahhh boylishis


 * The short answer to "what counts" is anything where there are reliable secondary sources which detail the supposed backmnasking. Anything which is not backed by reliable secondary sources may be removed as original research. Just zis Guy you know? 08:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Verify
//aktalo 18:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * to listen. //aktalo 19:09, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Also documented here. //aktalo 20:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Verify
I was listening to the Porcupine Tree album "Deadwing" the other day and I heard some deliberately reversed vocals in the song "Shallow". I reversed it in Sound Studio, but I can't exactly make out what he's saying... "Afterwards, uh... I guess I'll just...?" It's at about 2:57 (backwards time). Can anybody confirm / find a citation for this? Zackarotto 22:27, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Alleged messages
In case anyone has a citation, you can find the old list of alleged messages here.  Λυδ α  cιτγ  19:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Dangerously in Love
Does anyone know the one on a song on Dangerously in Love, by Beyoncé. I don't have it anymore (I bought it by download and have lost the licence) but I remember there definitly was one somewhere. It had something to do with starsigns I think. - Рэд  хот  18:21, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Once I can find my Beyonce CD I'll test this one out and see if I can hear anything. - Indy Gold 20:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I finally found and listened through it and couldn't hear much of anything. I heard something vaguely close to 'Libra', but I don't think it was meant to be it, just coincidental. Any idea what portion of the song it was supposed to be in? - Indy Gold 20:23, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

The song that has the backmasking on the Dangerously in Love CD is "Signs" featuring Missy Elliot. It is towards the end of the song. It starts at the 3 min and 52 second mark of the song. I don't know what she is saying right there, but it's obvious that it's backwards. There is another part of the song that has backmasking. At the 28 second mark she said something that was backmasked and another part of the song I heard backmasked was when she said, "I cum like an Aquarius". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.97.253.178 (talk) 00:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Fugees?
I don't think this should be on the list. Reversing is a common technique to censor any swearing, and if we list The Fugees, surely we'd have to list countless other songs? Demonofthefall 10:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Well... Judging from the Everything2 citation, this song is an especially notable example of the backmasking censorship technique. Perhaps we should just keep it in here as the single best example of this use of backmasking?  Λυδ α  cιτγ  00:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with Demonofthefall, I was going to add the same comment myself when I saw this. I think most people are going to notice that Fugees entry as well and think it's out of place here, on a list about backmasked messages. If it was the first record to use backmasking to censor swearing then it would be significant, but if not there's nothing special about the album. I'm only passing so I'm not that bothered, apart from that it's a good list so I thought it was worth mentioning. Croxley 20:40, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'll just take it out and put it into Backmasking.  Λυδ α cιτγ  20:28, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

The Beautiful People
I remeber hearing somewhere that there's a message if you play Marilyn Manson's "The Beautifil People" backwards. I'll try to find my source, can someone check the song for me? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Narcotics faerie (talk • contribs) 17:48, 16 December 2006 (UTC).


 * Well, I couldn't find anything, but the riff sounds the same backwards. Heroicraptor 07:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I've heard some messages planted throughout "Antichrist Superstar." I forget all of them, but besides what sounds like a bunch of kids shouting "WE HATE GOD!," I could swear I've heard "You are not a victim, I am not a victim" thown in there. It made me suspect that if Fundamentalist Christians knew of this, they'd be quite surprised, given his reputation. DanTD 13:40, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

The Boo Radleys
At the end of the Boo Radleys song "Find the Answer Within" from the album Wake Up!, one or two messages are deliberately inserted backwards (no lyrics at the end of the song make it really easy to notice). One said, "If you like a lot of fun (it could be saying fight, I really couldn't get it any clearer), join our fan club." The other said, "Have you seen the little doggies, doing doggy style?" You can hear these both repeated from about 0:15 to 1:15 when reversed. I just haven't been able to find any sources supporting it, other than just reversing the song and listening, though. Can anyone back me up with a source on this? Torpov 04:20, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Tupac Shakur
Why is tupac not listed on this pacs life album: song: pac's life, backmasked message: "you should see me ill be back" better dayz album: song: this life i lead, backmasked message "yes im alive and be missing you" -- Supreme euphanasia 17:41, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Find a citation and put it in; anyone can edit.  Λυδ α cιτγ  00:56, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Done -- Supreme euphanasia 17:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking the time to add these, but I don't think they're real messages. I did kind of hear them when listening to the song, but I don't believe that if Tupac wanted to send a message out, he would do it in such a hard-to-hear way. Also, YouTube is not an especially reliable source. You may wish to read backmasking to understand the difference between deliberate backmasking and accidental phonetic reversal, which is what I believe this is.  Λυδ α cιτγ  02:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

man how can u say that it accidental phonetic reversal, i could hear both messages pretty well and espiescially "you should see me i'll be back" and i believe this is reliable as i have also personally used audacity to reverse both songs and i have heard the message pretty clearly and if u were to say they werent clear then i mite as well start removing 50 percent of the songs list on backmasked messages cause i have heard some of these and it was so faint that i didnt even know how someone could consider that as a backmasked message. so if lets just start invisitgating into the rest of the songs on here cause im sure sum of them arent as accurate as they claim to be. i think the tupac shakur is fine and should be left where it is thanx :) -- Supreme euphanasia 04:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I've heard quite a few backmasked messages, and the difference between the intentional and the accidental ones is clear. The intentional messages are gibberish when played forwards, and translate to a clear voice when heard backwards. The accidental ones are spoken words when played forwards, and hard to understand when played backwards (not impossible, but hard, especially if don't know what you're looking for). The Tupac one is in the latter category.


 * Now, you are claiming that some of the others on the list are also hard to hear. Please point them out, as they should definitely be removed.  Λυδ α cιτγ  05:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

the eminem one where he says im eminem that i could even make that out that was not clear, the tupac backmasked message is delbirate back mask as it has been done on other tupac albums. An example of backmasking used as censorship is on the album, "Better Dayz" by 2pac, where all profanity, drug references, violence, and even names of certain rappers are backmasked. and also u can hear it pretty clear please do not change this fact due to ur own personal opnion! there was even audio of this on the official tupaccontests website! -- Supreme euphanasia 06:49, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Please do not assume ownership of articles such as List_of_backmasked_messages -- Supreme euphanasia 06:57, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * In terms of the censorship, that's interesting, and if you have a good citation for it you might want to add it to backmasking (it's not really a backmased message, though).


 * I have not heard the Eminem one, but Songfacts is usually pretty reliable. However, I'm going to hopefully upload samples of these all at some point, so I'll be able to listen to it then.


 * If you can find a good source for the messages you just added, I'll accept them. YouTube is not a good source; I've seen videos on there accusing everyone from Britney Spears to Rush of backmasking. I won't violate the 3RR. If you insist on keeping the message in the article, I'll ask for a Third opinion.  Λυδ α cιτγ  20:07, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

there was an whole article in backmasked messages it was like this:

Backmasking as censorship

Backmasking is often used to censor words and phrases deemed as inappropriate on radio edits and edited album releases.[citation needed] This practice is most often applied in rap music. One particularly common example involves the word "shit" being backmasked to sound like "ish". As a result, "ish" has become a euphemism for "shit". An example of backmasking used as censorship is on the album, "Better Dayz" by 2pac, where all profanity, drug references, violence, and even names of certain rappers are backmasked.

but it was removed i dont know? who removed it? -- Supreme euphanasia 16:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Probably me. The article was backmasking, and I recently went through and deleted everything I couldn't find a good citation for.


 * I've asked for a third opinion about the Tupac messages.  Λυδ α cιτγ  21:56, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You asked for a third opinion about Youtube as a citation. I would say that it is o.k. if you can verify that the video is a real one, not a fake one. However, with 2Pac, you should easily be able to find source that is more reliable then Youtube. Look for a website that doesn't have users and the videos that are uploaded by an admin. Questions? Wikihermit  (Talk)   (Contributions)  03:25, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunatly the discovery of these backmasked messages in the tupac songs is relativy new for the pacs life song the videos are not fake as they were uploaded by me after using audacity to revrse the song then uploaded to youtube. u can try for urself to if ud like. i think this should be able to veriy the video and as you said the youtube citation is ok if i can veriyfi and i have. i guess that settles it thanx :) -- Supreme euphanasia 07:16, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Since you uploaded the YouTube video yourself, using it as a citation is original research on your part, and clearly not allowed. Wikihermit, I believe that the video is real, but I don't hear a clear message in it; instead there's only the vaguely speech-like half-gibberish that comes from reversing true typical forward speech.  Λυδ α cιτγ  18:17, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

(Third opinion) WP:NOR prohibits us from reviewing "raw" evidence and drawing our own conclusion, at least when it comes to Wikipedia. You must cite a reliable source that reports on the backmasked mesages if you wish to include the claims here. Vassyana 20:43, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

ok wait im sure i found another videos of the tupac backmasked messages which not uploaded by me which then means it is not orginal research which then means it is ok :) thanx ill be adding the cits soon -- Supreme euphanasia 21:49, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

and why did u say Wikihermit whats that? -- Supreme euphanasia 21:51, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


 * User:Wikihermit. As Vassyana points out, even a video by someone else might is not acceptable, unless a reliable source (not just any YouTube user) produced the video and described the "message" in it.  Λυδ α cιτγ  23:05, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Find text of the message from a reliable source. That way it is not a matter of hearing the "message." If you think you have found a message in a video, then that would be original research. Please read WP:NOR. Wikipedia does not allow original research. Wǐkǐhérṃǐť  (Talk)   (Contributions)  01:42, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

ok give me a few days ill get back to u -- Supreme euphanasia 23:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Just checking in. How's it going with the citations? Wǐkǐɧérṃǐť  (Talk)   (Contributions)  18:54, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Baby One More Time
Played backwards it appears to say "Sleep with me, I'm not too young." I have heard this myself and it does indeed sound like that. Should it be confirmed as true?
 * Yes. This is one of the best examples of backmasking, not only are the lyrics clearly audible, but so is the music. When played forward, (the same goes for many other songs) the backmasked music interferes and it's effect can be heard as a decreased signal to noise ratio. Listen to more than just the 31 second long Youtube clip and make up you mind yourself.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.56.248.235 (talk) 00:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No. The message is 1) only clear after you hear it, and 2) not gibberish forwards, which means it's probably unintentional.  Λυδ α cιτγ  22:24, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Follow Another One Bites The Dust to the external link. It also does Baby One More Time. MMetro 06:50, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Lots More Insane Clown Posse messages
Well, as a fan of ICP (as my username implies), I've been listening carefully to and reversing a lot of ICP songs. I have a lot to contribute to this article. If anyone is interested, why not start with what is possibly the only song in the world that sounds almost exactly the same backwards as forwards, words and all. The song is Insane Clown Posse - Carnival of Carnage. Cut out the guy yelling "And now please welcome the ICP!" at the end of the song though, as thats not really a part of the song, its an introduction to the rest of the album. --The Juggla 17:02, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Interesting. However, because of No original research, all information on Wikipedia should have citations by reliable sources. Do you know if any such citations have been published?  Λυδ α cιτγ  02:14, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * No. There is no reliable sources on the internet of Insane Clown Posse backmasking. All I can do is suggest what I've heard. What you do with it is up to you. By the way, theres something hidden in Insane Clown Posse - My Funhouse on the Ringmaster album, but I can't make out what it is. Too much backround noise. One source I found said it says My Funhouse over and over, but I believe I heard something else in there as well. --The Juggla 13:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

"God Is On The Radio"
On the Queens Of The Stone Age Track, beginning about 4:02 (possibly earlier), ending at about 4:23, there is a definite section of backmasking, which is whipsered and difficult to hear over the music, but says something along the lines of "I'm right behind you watching you [pause] look over your left shoulder ["at my band, would you?" maybe?] ["I'm in eric's room" maybe?] you're inside my hands" If someone could find a citation for this, of decipher it futher, that would be great. 82.153.230.235 19:59, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

"Machete"
The song "Machette" by Moby (from the album Play) has a backmasked lyric: "I have to say goodbye", http://www.lyricmania.com/moby-machete-lyric.html


 * Needs a good citation.  Λυδ α cιτγ  00:43, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Chronological ordering is better than alphabetical
Is there anyone out there who would reorganize the List of backmasked messages so they are organized chronologically instead of alphabetically?

I think a chronological listing would be of consideral use to some of us wishing to scope out a particular message that was backmasked into a song, and we don't know which song it was, just which year, give or take.198.177.27.25 06:35, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


 * This table can only be ordered one way due to the merged cells. Ordering by artist is probably most useful.  Λυδ α cιτγ  01:47, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Adema
Hi, all, anon here. I noticed that the band Adema is not included in the main list or the talk list. There is a message in their song "Skin", the 8th track on their self-titled album. When the first 9, seconds of the song are reversed, you can clearly hear "Now you see why." I'm not sure if they have any other backmasked messages, but I'll keep an ear out.

Also, just as an afterthought, I believe the band Dir en Grey seems like the type of band that would get a kick out of recording backmasked messages into their songs. All their songs are sung in Japanese though and I don't speak Japanese, so I wouldn't be able to pick them out if there were.

Mentioned here: But they heard a different message than me.


 * Messageboards aren't good citations, and I couldn't find any others. If you find some, let us know.  Λυδ α cιτγ  00:52, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

eminem my name is
you forgot to add my name is. At the beginning, backwards you can hear yeah it is slim and it's eminem over and over again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.43.196.174 (talk) 08:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Not backmasked. Anything played backwards can sound like anything else played backwards. This list is for actual, intentional backmasked messages, not things recorded forwards that sound vaguely like words when played backwards. --74.64.55.65 (talk) 17:10, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

"For the Love of God"
I removed "For the Love of God" from this list, as I don't hear any evidence of backmasking. It looks like the entry was made as inside joke between friends, anyway, but if anyone disagrees with me, show proof that it contains backmasking, and I'd be fine restoring it. Tracer Bullet 07:02, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

What about Stairway to Heaven
What Stairway to heaven by Led Zepplin? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.110.135.229 (talk) 23:04, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it counts as proper Backmasking as it was unintentional. From memory: "Here's to my sweet Satan, the one whose little path will make me sad, whose power is Satan. He will give you, give you 666. There was a little tool shed where he made us suffer, sad Satan" phocks (talk) 02:45, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Foetus - Barbedwire Tumbleweed/Baphomet
I have an addition worth making but I'm not remotely interested in working with the table. In the Foetus song Barbedwire Tumbleweed (found on the album 'Thaw') the vocals are all "Ah, sweet Satan", "Turn me on, dead man" and "Number nine" played backwards. The track Baphomet (featured on compilation 'Sink') is this vocal section played backwards so the words are intelligible again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.108.198.3 (talk) 07:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Cannibal Corpse - Meathook Sodomy
The intro. Look it up on youtube or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.23.152.73 (talk) 23:26, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

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