Talk:List of battles and operations in the 1948 Palestine war

More fields
I think there's room to add the following fields to the table, but it would be too large, so maybe just one of them: -- Ynhockey (Talk) 19:30, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Name meaning (translation, or after whom the operation was named)
 * Outcome - success, mixed success, failure (or a brief explanation)

Title
The table gives operation starting on April 1 (when Haganah took the offensive) in the Civil War period, before what is referred to the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. I suggest to move the title to List of Israeli military operations during the 1948 Palestine War. (with capitals letters where needed). Ceedjee (talk) 09:44, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

arabic
any hope to request an arabic page of this page ?? Dr B2 (talk) 09:17, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

New articles
Hi Padres Hana!

I have noticed that you have been creating many articles about Israeli military operations recently. The effort is much appreciated, however, IMO it would really be better if you spent more time working on each article. As it stands now, most of the newly-created articles are stubs and don't offer any information whatsoever beyond a list of villages captured by Israel, which is not really what they should be about. Please try to look for more sources (I assure you, lots of English-language sources exist) in order to complete each article before moving on to the next one.

Thanks, Ynhockey (Talk) 04:43, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Did you intentionally misspell Pardes Hana in your nickname? What is the history behind the name? (just curious). —Ynhockey (Talk) 04:43, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Follow-up: I have just noticed your article, Operation Ten Days (moved to Operation An-Far), and have become even more concerned. The reason is that there's no such thing as Operation Ten Days—Morris refers to the Battles of the Ten Days, a general name for the battles between the first and second truce in the war. This includes Operation An-Far. Operation Death to the Invader is also a completely different operation during which Hatta and Karatiya were captured. Please be more careful with your research for each article. Thanks, Ynhockey (Talk) 04:51, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

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Operation 'ten days', 'An Far', 'Death to the Invaders.'
The information is 100% incorrect. The Ten Days is the period between the first and second truce, An-Far is the operation between July 8–11 and 12–15, and Death to the Invader is the operation on July 16–18. Three entirely different things. —Ynhockey (Talk) 03:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Ynhockey is correct. "Ten Days" is the name later given to a period of fighting, not the name of the operation. Operation An-Far was launched on July 8 (Benny Morris, 1948, p. 276). Operation Mavet LaPolshim was launched on July 16 (Benny Morris, 1948, p. 277). The Ten dAy period also saw fighting on other fronts, which had nothing to do with Farouk. Also, what is the point of the table of villages? there already exists an article (more than one actually) about villages depopulated in the war. How does this table help the reader understand the course of the operation? -- Nudve (talk) 06:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC) So was 'Operation death to the invaders' that Dayan/Teveth write about a completely different operation? 'Ten Days' is the name Morris uses in my edition to refer to all the operations carried out by Giv'ati in July - I haven't seen the later versions: In my edition there is no An-Far at all, it is only used by Khalidi. As to the names + populations of the villages I have yet to come across anywhere that connects each village to the brigade that captured it. Should I just move this stuff to the brigade histories? I am correct that Giv'ati was involved in all three attacks?Padres Hana (talk) 13:44, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

And could we have a reference for the "Anti-Farouk"? I've not seen it before.Padres Hana (talk) 13:47, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Maybe this is because the books you use are about the Palestinian exodus, not the war itself. I'm not sure how important it is to list the villages by the brigade that captured them, but I would say List of villages depopulated during the Arab–Israeli conflict is the place to start, and of course, since those villages have their own articles, these corresponding articles are the most suitable place. The operation article should also include this info, but in the prose rather than in a separate table. I think Givati was involved in all of them, as it operated mostly in the south, but I'm not 100% positive. I'll add the ref from Morris. -- Nudve (talk) 15:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Operation_An-Far"


 * Hi I concurr with Ynhockey.
 * On my side, I would suggest, without attack, that you would try to find each time a few words about the military context concerning the battles and the military operations.
 * Exodus and expulsion, when they occured, are of course an important point in the military operation but the military operations were first targeted at fighting Egyptians and ALA...
 * If it is possible, I would suggest to you Morris, 1948 which costs 15$ in the USA. Good material for not much money. I think you can have access to this through googlebooks too !
 * Cheers :-) Ceedjee (talk) 20:34, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Expand to include other battles?
I would like to really start working on this article and possibly turn it to a featured list at a later point. One inhibition however is that it's a list of "Israeli military operations" which tells only part of the story. I think the article should be moved to List of battles of operations in the 1948 Palestine War and including a properly-formatted list, sorted by phases and fronts, of all the notable battles that took place. Any opinions are welcome. —Ynhockey (Talk) 00:28, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

"Operation Coastal Clearing"
Quite a few of the 1948 village presently have that they were depopulated during "Operation Coastal Clearing", see e.g.


 * Khirbat al-Majdal March 1, 1948
 * Wadi Qabbani March 1, 1948
 * Bayyarat Hannun March 31, 1948


 * Fardisya April 1, 1948
 * Al-Manshiyya, Tulkarm April 15, 1948
 * Khirbat Zalafa April 15, 1948


 * Ghabat Kafr Sur May 15, 1948

Now, I believe all of this info is taken from the Pal.rem site, I cannot see that Khalidi uses the name "Operation Coastal Clearing". Also, some of those depopulation dates in the lead does not match with the info from, say, Morris.

From the very different dates, it seems clear to me that these villages were depopulated in different military operations. This needs to be cleaned up.....Help would greatly be appreciated, Huldra (talk) 22:22, 29 August 2017 (UTC)