Talk:List of best-selling albums/Archive 13

Laundry Service
I think that is appropiate remove Laundry Service in the list. Certifications for this albums is almost 8,500,000 and is very poor for his figure of 20 million and a 2000's album. I know that many sources give the 20 million figure, but maybe should be primary sources. However, other recent sources give 15 million copies. Chrishonduras (talk) 13:45, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I think it is sourced--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 11:42, 18 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, I know that has a source that confirm 20 million. But this source it is a primary source, that was generated originally from Spanish Wikipedia and later came into French, English, etc sources and through the years has become true (when it is a hoax). Even, the old source from Shakira.com its wrong. However, look from the common sense: the certifications are too low. Other breaking album sales from this period like Music has the same certification, but the sales are around 15 (that it is the regular figure for Laundry Service). In the main Laundry Service, even doesn't reported the worldwide sales, because are controversial. Chrishonduras (talk) 17:45, 25 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I have therefore added two more references, if you think it needs more references I will add, thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 13:19, 26 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I know that are reliable references and several, presenting this figure, its not the problem. But I have curious with the specific figure of 20 (I can presented that are primary source or irregular figure, and because Shakira its a multicultural phenomenon, this was viralized through the years and references, but always was wrong). Now, I don't have time, but I will present again the case. Regards, Chrishonduras (talk) 14:13, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Shakira
the laundry service album has 3 references?--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:18, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

List Order – based on certification?
Shouldn't the list order be based on actual certifications – rather than claims? (Coachtripfan (talk) 14:57, 23 February 2016 (UTC))

Purple Rain sold 26 million copies
http://www.startribune.com/prince-checks-in-to-the-library-of-congress/153118185/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.240.174.17 (talk) 03:11, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

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The Album "Marshall Mathers LP" from Eminem in 2000 is 32 million copies sold. source : http://www.southpawer.com/2015/05/21/eminems-the-marshall-mathers-lp-turns-15/ prefix:Talk:List of best-selling albums/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.19.83.158 (talk) 02:10, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

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The Colour of My Love
This are the basic numbers for The Colour of My Love: * US: 6 million * JPN: 600,000 * UK: 1.5 million * GER: 250,000 * FRA: 300,000 * CAN: 1 million * AUS: 560,000 * NLD: 300,000 * SWE: 100,000 * SPA: 100,000 * BEL: 100,000 * SWI: 50,000 * NOR: 150,000 * AUT: 25,000 * FIN: 40,289 * NZ: 90,000 If we add them, we get 11,165,289, which is ~11.2 million. So it meets the criteria. 20 million is 100% and 11.2 million is 56%. I can also provide sources for other numbers. The sales is sourced for way more than 11.2 million (for example Japan 1,013,450, Canada 1.5 million, UK 1,816,915 etc. Max24 (talk) 15:52, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

ABBA GOLD
This has now sold 30 million (Coachtripfan (talk) 11:10, 23 April 2016 (UTC))

True Blue has sold 30 million
http://womenandhollywood.com/2010/04/21/the-power-of-tv-glee-uses-madonna-to-address-sexism/ by Indiewire —Navyiconer (talk) 04:15, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Shakira/laundry service
the album, has several references, if more are needed, I can add, thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 17:16, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Celine Dion
The intro stuff says this:

" Michael Jackson's Thriller, estimated to have sold 65 million copies worldwide, is the best-selling album.[1][2][3] Although sales estimates for Thriller have been as high as 110 million copies, these sales figures are unreliable.[4] Jackson also currently has the highest number of albums on the list with five, Madonna follows up with four while The Beatles, Celine Dion and Shania Twain each have three. "

But Celine Dion is only listed twice, not thrice. I assume the other album is Colour Of My Love, which linked to this list (and is what I followed to get here)

--95.146.111.30 (talk) 23:03, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Janet Jackson rhythm nation and janet. 20mil worldwide
Is it possible to have an artist on twice

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Jackson_discography#cite_note-PR-20

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Jackson_discography#cite_note-27 TeonChap (talk) 21:53, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * No. — I B  [ Poke  ] 21:46, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2016
Please change the The Marshall Mathers LP album sales from 23 million to 32 million. The current source is out of date by almost ten years. Here is a link to a more update date source that lists 32 million albums sold worldwide as of 2015.

Jbaumann02 (talk) 14:32, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2016
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Beatles BPI certifications
Beatles UK certifications

BPI July 2013

Sgt. Pepper's lonely hearts club band – 3 times platinum (900,000 sales) Abbey Road – 2 times platinum (600,000 sales) 1 – 10 times platinum (3,000,000 sales)

BPI 5/2/16

Sgt. Pepper's lonely hearts club band – 17 times platinum (5,100,000 sales)

Bengy99 (talk) 17:00, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

2016
Please update to add 2016 to best selling albums worldwide by year. Best selling of 2016 is Adele's 25. Thenayanz (talk) 14:41, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Dubious claim
How is it that Unplugged by Eric Clapton, which is about the 70th highest certified album in the United States, could be the second best selling album worldwide? Why is it that the certifications add up to 15.45 million but the article says 26 million? When the album was re-issued in 2013 the record company said it had sold 19 million copies worldwide. In 2015 Clapton's bass player said it sold 26 million copies. Has the album sold 34 to 41 million more copies in the last few years? The 60 million figure comes from a claim made by the plaintiff in a lawsuit and appears dubious. Piriczki (talk) 16:51, 1 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Albums released in 1992 need to have sales claims backed by 52% in certifications. The 15.4 million Unplugged has is only enough for a 30 million claim. I removed the 60 million listing. -- Mαuri ’96 “ everything and nothing always haunts me… ” 08:22, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Thriller 25 sales
In this article Thriller sales in UK stands at 3.9 mln certified units based on Thriller 13 X Platinum Certification. However, unlike in US, where Thriller re-issues are counted into Thriller sales, Thriller 25 was certified separately in UK, getting Platinum Certification on 14 August 2009. Therefore, certified sales of Thriller stand at 4.2 mln in UK. You can check the information on the BPI official web-site. http://www.bpi.co.uk/certified-awards.aspx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.249.207.239 (talk) 16:07, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


 * ✅: Thank-you for the correction. -- Mαuri ’96 “ everything and nothing always haunts me… ” 00:54, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Laundry service
I removed this album because a 20 million copies claim, at least for these days, are grossly inflated. With less than 10 million certified units, and an album released on 2001 (almost 2002) is very clear that other sources like 13 million (or 15 million as high) are more realistic.

Some key points:


 * In 2002, the sales were about 9-10 million copies (9, 9, 9 and 10 as high).
 * In 2005, two years after conclude this era with the Tour of the Mongoose, some sources claims that were 13 million copies, but actually came from her record company Epic like this reference from Billboard says. However, this figure more makes sence now. Other sources that use 13 million copies is her biography on Sony/ATV (updated on 2016). The same article, that has a good status, uses 13 million figure.

In this version there is two references that claims 20 million copies: Musicnumb and Women Fitness. Are they reliable sources?, Musicnumb is operated by wordpress. I know that there is other sources, but are very randomly and aren't close reliables. I'm sure, but I don't have time to prove it, that Wikipedia in her several available languages has a participation with this wrong number, becoming in a woozle effect. Also, her own site claims 20 million copies, but is not neutral to use that. Just to clarify, that I already notified before about this. I hope that other users can participate now. Chrishonduras ( Diskussion ) 06:13, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * the two sources given are reliable, unless you can prove otherwise, lets talk about this on the talk page here before deciding either way that is why I said please take to talk page first...please respond(will place article as was before until there is consensus, have left message w/ your talk page, thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 11:51, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I might not respond immediately so please be patient, thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:53, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Okay, lets find for a consensus. Because actually, I don't see how reliable is even Musicnumb and/or Women Fitness. I notified this discussion in the WikiProject Shakira, also. Chrishonduras ( Diskussion ) 18:25, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with the removal of the 20 million as the certifications for that album add up to only 7.6 million units. As pointed out above, this is not an incredibly earlier album, therefore, we're not missing many significant music markets whose database for certifications don't go back to early 2000s, with an exception of Italy. To sum it up, an album with only 7.6 million certified sales, couldn't not have sold 20 million. The actual sales for it should, in fact, stand at about 10-12 million maximum. Also, I see above, that a 2001 album sales claims should be supported by 61.33% certified sales. Well, that means 20 million sales claim as it in this case, should be supported by 12.2 million certified units. The certified sales for Laundry Service is only 7.6 million which can support claims as high as 12.3 million.--Harout72 (talk) 21:26, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * "20 million sales claim as it in this case, should be supported by 12.2 million certified units." Right! There's no justification for this album stay here. If so, we can put Christina Aguilera debut album that has much more in certified sales and many others.--88marcus (talk) 21:59, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

After that the album has been removed in the list, we can close this "consensus" per Snowball clause. It's clear that a 20 million figure for Laundry service is grossely inflated. Some keys points:


 * The criteria in the list is that a "2001 album sales claims should be supported by 61.33% certified sales". Laundry service doesn't qualifies.


 * Both references were unreliable, by the way.


 * With the spirit of the guideline on this talk page, I wanna point that: "The list is frequently edited in good faith; however, sales figures published by reliable sources may need to be verified with certification databases to avoid inflated figures". Is a common mistake and we need to take care about this on Wikipedia. Thanks for participating. Chrishonduras  ( Diskussion ) 10:09, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Michael Jackson Thriller 109 million copies
Hey,

In the source on this page it says that Thriller has more than 100 million copies worldwide. According to other official sites it seems to be 109 million, so can someone please edit this so it's correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.165.77.109 (talk) 20:42, 31 March 2017 (UTC)


 * ❌ Actually we use those related figures to Thriller surpassing 100 million (109, 110, whatever after 100 million) because has been common figure in the media, but actual sales for this album are as high like 65 million only. Chrishonduras  ( Diskussion ) 22:19, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Alanis Morissette – Jagged little pill wrong cert.
It was certified only Gold in Brazil, not 2x platinum...--88marcus (talk) 22:39, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Yep, I've edited it to the correct 100,000 certified sales in brazil. Bennv3771 (talk) 23:00, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

TLC inflated sales.
I would like to ask some of you look to the TLC's CrazySexyCool article. There's no way this album sold those inflated 23kk worldwide. The album did very well in USA, with 11kk copies certified, but outside, it didn't perform very well. I think 14-15 million copies worldwide is more accurate to it.--88marcus (talk) 01:29, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2017
Where is Creed's Human Clay? It says here it has over 20 million albums worldwide: Human Clay 2601:247:8202:42A0:B4AC:5142:1A23:7969 (talk) 22:32, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 9 July 2017
Jackson also currently has the highest number of albums on the list with five, while The Beatles, Whitney Houston and Madonna each have three. Juancarlos43 (talk) 12:19, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
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Michael Jackson's Bad
User:Chrishonduras This new yorker report says bad has sold 34700000 copies in world wide and according to u its an estimated sales .its an article from 2013 and at that time it has certified 9 time platinum in usa and has sold 3.9million copies in uk.since then it has sold 1 million copies in us and certified 10 time platinum, and further sold 100000 copies in uk and now its total sales in uk is 4 million copies and if u calculate the total sales manually its 35800000 copies.and List of best-selling albums in China says Bad (album) has sold 250000 copies there and according this  bad has sold 150000 copies in india till the end of september 1989.these figures wont help bad to reach 36 million figure? Akhiljaxxn (talk) 13:36, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Ok, Akhiljaxxn you need to understand the No original research policy. We can easily change to 36 million if we have a reliable source indicating this figure. Also, remember that 34 million from New Yorker was just an estimated, some sources at this time were about 30 million too. Chrishonduras ( Diskussion ) 16:19, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Well we have reliable sources which states bad has sold about 45 m copies ww Akhiljaxxn (talk) 16:31, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Adele Doesn't Add Up
Figures for the first two years sales of Adele's 21 album under best selling by year (2011 + 2012) add up to 26.4 million, but the figure for all years on the total sales chart is 25.3 million. This can't be right without even allowing for sales in 2013–17. Either the quoted figures or wrong or this just shows how arbitary the figures calculated by the industry are, making the detail of charts like this pointless. 92.10.154.229 (talk) 09:37, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Source queried
There's a discussion that may interest you at Talk:Abbey Road. Samsara 12:30, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Eminem's Album Sales

 * Did “ The Marshall Mathers LP” Really Sold 32 Million Copies? .The Total certified copies of TMM LP from availble market is 15.1M it doesnt even have half of the 32 m claimed sale.It looks Inflated. Akhiljaxxn (talk) 00:45, 8 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for opening up the discussion! I removed Marshall and think as well for Em Show. The latter is from the 2000s and needs to have high cert levels and the former is just nowhere close. I think we should definitely be on the list, but probably at 20-22 & 18-20.-- Peter Griffin  •  Talk2Me   02:25, 8 October 2017 (UTC)


 * MediaTraffic (unofficial) estimated The Marshall Mathers LP sales at 22 million copies. I found an official document from the U.S. Court confirmed the same sales figure, as reported by The Hollywood Reporter (see Page 3). So, "22 million" seems quite accurate. Bluesatellite (talk) 03:23, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * 22 Million of TMM LP seems quite accurate no prblem with this figure.Akhiljaxxn (talk) 04:17, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

User:Petergriffin9901 Hey His 2004 album Encore also listed here with 21 Million copies sales.but the total certified copies of encore is only 10,229,780. Akhiljaxxn (talk) 04:14, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2017
There should be a table for 10-19 million albums. 152.121.18.253 (talk) 17:00, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
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Eminem- Marshall Mathers LP and The Eminem Show
Why is The Marshall Mathers LP not in the list of 30-39 million copies? According to this very article The Marshall Mathers LP has sold 32 million copies and not only should it be in that list but it should also be above Adele's 21, The Beatles' 1 and Celine Dion's Let's talk about love. Also according to this article on Wikipedia (Eminem discography) The Eminem Show has sold 30 million worldwide so it should be in the 30-39 million list. Why is it not even in the 20-29 million list? Can you please fix this? Thank you.
 * These two albums have been added. They both fairly meet the criteria for integrating the table. Sumo ch (talk) 22:28, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * The Total certified copies of TMM LP from availble market is 15.1M it doesnt even have half of the 32 m claimed sale.and it looks inflated and the same for em show too pls see this discussion – Akhiljaxxn (talk) 01:31, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I provided valid sources for certified copies. For claimed sales, the majority of sources use 32 millions. There is no concensus on other numbers. The 22 millions in the legal document you are refering to (from 2013) is more a fact than a claim.
 * Some of the sources for 32 millions:

Sumo ch (talk) 09:47, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * https://www.amazon.com/Marshall-Mathers-third-studio-album/dp/B01381CLS6
 * https://www.musicmusingsandsuch.com/musicmusingsandsuch/2017/7/29/feature-the-marshall-mathers-lp-time-for-reinvestigation
 * http://books.google.ch/books?id=8N0hCQAAQBAJ&pg=PT11&lpg=PT11&dq=marshall+mathers+32+million&source=bl&ots=oUO43Q9qv-&sig=K0Z4MGRwGpNfns2NTTiQa3PVvaA&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjO3_bI3ezYAhUDDewKHZS_Dwo4ChDoAQg6MAM#v=onepage&q=32&f=false
 * https://www.statisticbrain.com/eminem-album-sales-statistics/
 * https://www.discogs.com/fr/Eminem-The-Marshall-Mathers-LP/master/12236
 * https://www.justfortherecord.co.nz/albums/eminem-the-marshall-mathers-lp/
 * http://hiphopgoldenage.com/albums/eminem-marshall-mathers-lp-2000/
 * http://uproxx.com/music/eminems-the-marshall-mathers-lp-turns-15-ranking-the-tracks-for-a-classic/
 * http://hiphop24x7.com/news/today-marks-17th-anniversary-eminems-marshall-mathers-lp-album/
 * http://www.southpawer.com/2015/05/21/eminems-the-marshall-mathers-lp-turns-15/
 * https://twitter.com/i/web/status/867040858641584128
 * http://generations.fr/news/musique/36474/the-marshall-mathers-lp-vendu-avec-une-brique-de-la-maison-d-eminem

Again: I provided valid sources for certified copies and for claimed sales. And I respected the guidelines listed above:
 * Editors should expect all albums' claimed figures be supported by the following specified percentage of certified units.
 * To be on this list, albums released:


 * before 1975 are required to have their claimed sales figures supported by 30% in certified units
 * between 1975–1990 are required to have their claimed figures supported by 30-50% in certified units. (That is 1.33% for each additional year after 1975)
 * between 1990–2000 are required to have their claimed figures supported by 50-60% in certified units. (That is 1% for each additional year after 1990)
 * in 2000 and onwards are required to have their claimed figures supported by 60-80% in certified units. (That is 1.33% for each additional year after 2000)

The Marshall Mathers LP's claimed sales are 32 millions. An album released in 2000 is required to have its claimed figures supported by 60% in certified units. Certified units are 20.1 millions. The Eminem Show's claimed sales are 27 millions (several sources say 30 million, but there are slightly more saying 27 million). It was released in 2002, therefore needs claimed figures supported by 62% in certified units (16.75 million). Certified units are 17 million. Sumo ch (talk) 08:54, 25 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done:: The 20.1 million for The Marshall Mathers LP is NOT certified sales. Certified sales are calculated by multiplying award levels by number of awards. For example, let's calculate the certified sales for The Marshall Mathers LP:


 * The only reason the total amount is not a "round" number multiple of 100,000 or 25,000 is that Finland provides actual sales in its certifications, which no other country does.
 * The same is true of The Eminem Show, which has a total of 16,910,000 in certified sales (using the IFPI Europe award) or 15,662,212 when counting each country individually.-- Mαuri ’96  ( talk ·  cont ) 00:34, 26 January 2018 (UTC)


 * There are a lot of sources that say that this album sold around 21 million cpoies. I tink it's more accurate than those inflated 32 million copies. How on earth this album could sold 32 million copies, with so few certifications outside the english-language countries? Some sources that claimed 21kk:


 * the music
 * bet
 * the view
 * the tam news--88marcus (talk) 01:07, 26 January 2018 (UTC)


 * @User talk:88marcus Why should we use the four sources you provided, and not the 12 I provided who are (at least) as reliable as yours? And all four of them are from before the release of TMMLP 2, which has probably improved the sales of the first album. As for the difference between certified sales and claimed sales, you can observe the same difference for many albums in the charts (Falling into You, Dangerous, Let's talk about love...)


 * @User:Mauri96 OK, I didn't notice that the US 12,5 million sales where not certified yet. But the charts with certified sales above is incomplete. Several certifications are missing (Japan, Korea, several European countries). If you add Japan and Europe (whole) 's certifications, the total is 17,6 (and will increase when they decide to recertify it in the USA: the 10x platinium certification is 7 years old, long before the release of TMMLP2). I will try to find certifications for other countries. Before that, let's leave the 32 million claim aside. Sumo ch (talk) 10:56, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * @User:Mauri96 Could you stop your edit war? What is wrong with writing that the source is obsolete because from five years ago, before the release of the sequel of the album?
 * Furthermore, whether you like it or not, there are several reliable sources who claim that The Marshall Mathers LP sold 32 million copies. Significantly more than sources claiming 21 million, and of at least comparable quality. This is not an exceptional claim. Saying that this number is inflated, suspicious or inachievable is a point of view. It must be supported by sources.
 * Finally, your way of considering Eminem album's sales is not in line with the other entries in the table. I don't understand why, in this particular case, do you want to use chartmastes.org's numbers only in the "claimed sales" column. This is not what is done for other albums. For example:
 * Bon Jovi, Slippery When Wet: Claimed sales: 28 million (Forbes). Chartmasters.org's CSPC: 23.6 million.
 * Mariah Carey, Music Box: Claimed sales: 28 million (BET). Chartmasters.org's CSPC: 26,1 million
 * Linkin Park, Hybrid Theory: Claimed sales: 27 million (Download Festival). Chartmasters.org's CSPC: 20,8 million
 * Norah Jones, Come Away with Me: Claimed sales: 27 million (Syndey Morning Herald). Chartmasters.org's CSPC: 23,9 million
 * To avoid a too big difference between certified and claimed numbers, there is a guideline at the top of this talk page. Depending on the release date of the album, the gap between certified & claimed numbers can vary. The Marshall Mathers LP was released in 2000. 60% of it's claimed sales must be certified sales. You can not demand another calculation method just for Eminem's albums, like 80% of certified sales for The Marshall Mathers LP!
 * As I said above, I'm OK to drop the 32 million claim now, because despite beeing confirmed by several sources, the gap between available certified sources and this claim is too high. But the 21 million claim does not fit either. Sumo ch (talk) 01:09, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

linkin park has sold over 30,27,20 million cpies of Hybrid Theory,Meteora,Minutes to Midnight
183.82.162.176 (talk) 14:40, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —   IVORK  Discuss 22:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

ABBA Gold – Now On Over 30 Million Sales
You have ABBA Gold on 28 Million Sales. That Total is about a Decade out of Date. It is now said to be on over 30 Million Sales. I know someone, who is very good, at tallying Global Sales. He gets 'Gold' to be on 34 Million Sales. That may be too high, but 28 Million is way too low. I guess that the 30 Million claim will be used, by the Global Media, when the 2nd 'Mamma Mia! Film becomes a huge success, in July. So, I hope that Wikipedia will get rid of the outdated 28 Million Total, when that happens. 86.2.61.136 (talk) 20:51, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

chartmasters.org
Should chartmasters.org be considered a reliable source for worldwide album sales? Richard Hendricks (talk) 15:21, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2018
Under your "Highest selling artists/bands of all time, KISS was left out, and have 21 million certified sales, and 45 million reported. The source is your own site (see KISS (band)). 47.35.253.87 (talk) 14:53, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * ❌ this is not a list of "Highest selling artists/bands of all time", which is at List of best-selling music artists, and includes Kiss (band). This is a List of best-selling albums and AFAIK Kiss have not sold over 20million copies of any one album, - Arjayay (talk) 15:34, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

chartmasters.org
is chartmasters.org a reliable source? the source itself looks more of a forum than a news organization. furthermore, the sales figures posted on that site, and the way they were extracted, seems highly unreliable. there was even one comment posted on the site's feedback page sometime in 2017 which questioned where and how the site's runner/s came up with their numbers. apparently the owners never clarified those questions, citing their formula was more "accurate" than those posted by the ifpi, nielsen soundscan and the occ (in the uk). they even had computations for countries with smaller music market sizes such as finland and yet they claim it is more accurate than what the official certification bodies in those countries provide. the site even said those organizations – the riaa and bpi in particular – are questionable. so now the question is, is the site reliable at all? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshay.16 (talk • contribs) 00:29, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I recommend discussing this at Wikipedia talk:Record charts. Richard Hendricks (talk) 01:59, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


 * While much of their sales are estimated, in many cases they have fully explained their methodology, like they did for their series on France's best-selling albums and sales of Thriller or Sgt. Pepper. They also try to base themselves on reliable sources, when available, and minimize the amount of sales that result from their own estimates to 0-5% of a given release's total sales. -- Mαuri ’96  ( talk ·  cont ) 18:25, 14 April 2018 (UTC)


 * On the Record charts project page chartmasters.org is currently listed as a website to avoid. Richard Hendricks (talk) 14:56, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Abba Gold
Numerous sources including the reputable Guardian cite sales of 30 m for ABBA Gold

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/apr/27/abba-announce-first-new-songs-for-35-years Coachtripfan (talk) 14:26, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * In order for the thirty million figure to make the list, the total number of certified units needs to be no less than 15.9 million (1993: 53%). Looking at the Certifications section of the album's article, it looks like it has the certified units necessary to support the claim. -Richard Hendricks (talk) 14:52, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done -- Mαuri ’96  ( talk ·  cont ) 22:34, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Zodiak Disco Alliance
The official record website says it has sold 20 million vinyl plates/units. https://www.micrec.lv/lv/ieraksts/disco-alliance-music-universe Is it possible to include this album with this figure? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Riilhiiro (talk • contribs) 08:53, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2018
RIAA updated the sales figures for the Eagles. Greatest Hits (1971 to 1975) is now at 38 Million and Hotel California is at 26 Million.

Idontkn1 (talk) 16:11, 20 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done – Dmezh (talk) 17:31, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Adding Album Equivalent Units To Figures Not All Here But On Every Discography
It's the age of digital and streaming people, we need to accommodate. It's about Album Equivalent Units. It's already added to certification statuses why not sales categories.

If you do not believe me look at Drakes latest album Scorpion, it went on digital and streaming 2 weeks before it went on CD. It made a mockery of cd sales.

What do you think?

Albert368 (talk) 04:07, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 August 2018
The Eagles' Greatest Hits album has surpassed Thriller as the best-selling album of all time per Variety. Request an update to the table on the main article. 173.84.13.10 (talk) 18:57, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The Variety article you have cited lists US sales figures, not global sales. For global sales it appears that Thriller is still #1. Design (talk) 07:06, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Purple Rain on list?
The Purple Rain (album) article says it sold 25 Million copies as of 2008, and is the third-biggest selling soundtrack of all time, yet is not on the list. Am I missing something? TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  18:48, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Posting again for those watching this talk page. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  21:08, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * source: TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  21:11, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

The Marshall Mathers LP Album sales
please change the sales of Marshall Mathers LP from 27 Million sales to 36 Million sales it's written in The Marshall Mathers LP Album page on wikipedia that the album sold more than 35 Million copies worldwide — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahmed Osssama (talk • contribs) 14:51, 13 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The best, albeit unusable, estimates we have put its sales at 22.9 million worldwide. It only sold 18.1 million in U.S., Europe, Canada and Oceania combined, which cover about 80% of the music market for Western acts. -- Mαuri ’96  ( talk ·  cont ) 19:15, 13 October 2018 (UTC)