Talk:List of best-selling albums/Archive 9

Albums listed
The Beatles by The Beatles has sold well over 20 million copies. The album sold 19 million in the U.S. alone. I am sure Rubber Soul should be here as well. You may want to check your certifications (SuperCell3000 (talk) 23:41, 15 September 2012 (UTC))


 * The Beatles has shipped 19 million units in the United States. Since it is a double album, this means that it actually shipped 9.5 million. Please refer to the lead of the article, which states:
 * each disc in a multi-disc set is counted as one unit toward certification, leading to many double albums on the list—such as Pink Floyd's The Wall and The Beatles's The Beatles—being certified with a number double the number of copies sold there.


 * As to adding it and Rubber Soul to the list, sources are being searched for.-- Mαuri ’96   “ ...over the Borderline ” 00:09, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 September 2012
Hi.. It's me again... well, After I ask to change the claim sales status of Madonna, Houston, Spears, Jones, AC/DC, Metallica, and Nirvana. And ask to include TLC on this list... Now, I asking to change the claim status of Santana's Supernatural, which is the old claim stand at 27 million copies. I have found this sources from Rolling Stones... which is claim Supernatural sold at 28 million copies... Please Change.... Thanks.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/santana-unveils-new-covers-disc-in-vegas-20100830

182.3.18.187 (talk) 07:37, 15 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:23, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks... by the way, i think your date edit for the sources claim in the list is FALSE, not 2008-08-03.... but should 2010-08-03, please look again.. and i hope the correct listed of the album is should be perfect... to make this claim really reliable... thanks. 182.11.200.220 (talk) 02:32, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Santana's Supernatural Claim sales
Well, two days ago.. I was the one who asking editors in this list to change the claim sales status of the greatest album of all time by Santana..Supernatural... which is previously claim to sold 27 million copies from old sources to 28 million sales claim from Rolling Stones... here is the sources:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/santana-unveils-new-covers-disc-in-vegas-20100830

and Thanks, an editor response my request and change the sales status of Supernatural to 28m.... even, the date of sources information in the list is FALSE (Should be 2010-08-03... not 2008-08-03)....

But... Today, I have found this sources from French News Website... Herald de Paris... Santana Bass Master - Benny Rietveld which claim to be interview by Herald de Paris Deputy Managing Director, in that column is stated...like this :

http://www.heralddeparis.com/santana-bass-master-benny-rietveld/170289

''The Santana legacy took an interesting turn in 1999 with their release of the album Supernatural. This became the most honored recording in Grammy history winning nine awards, selling nearly 30 million copies and spawning a Santana renaissance''

So... is that sources from French News Website is reliable?.... and if yes, So it makes Santana will follow Metallica and Nirvana to join the most prestigious club in this list, the 30m-sales club....

Please advise.... thank you.. 182.11.200.220 (talk) 09:44, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 September 2012
ac/dc is the second best selling back in black album. pink floyd is number 3 look at the sales.

67.225.6.5 (talk) 01:25, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done– The order was fixed, but only because of alphabetical order. Keep in mind that until two months ago, Back in Black was listed with a 49 million claim.


 * It is worth noting that, outside the United States, The Dark Side of the Moon has 7.71 million in certifications whereas Back in Black only has 3.02 million. Furthermore, it is also possible that Dark Side has sold 20 million copies in the United States alone, not to mention that The Dark Side of the Moon 's actual French sales of 2.55 million exceed Back in Black 's actual sales of 1.38 million by 1.17 million.-- Mαuri ’96   “ ...over the Borderline ” 01:47, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Millennium ny Backstreet Boys has sold 40 million +
the album reached 30 million sales in February 2000 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/643602.stm Today the album has sold more than 40 million copies

sources: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/music/music-news/taking-it-back-961300 http://www.allmusic.com/artist/backstreet-boys-mn0000765595 http://www.billboard.com/artist/backstreet-boys/bio/171765#/artist/backstreet-boys/bio/171765 http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/backstreet_boys/artist.jhtml # biographyEnd http://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/backstreet-boys/id217039 — — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.231.60 (talk) 23:31, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Australia's earlier certification levels
Initially, the Platinum level in Australia in 1970s and even early 1980s was 50,000 units. For example: My research shows that the Platinum level was already 70,000 in 1984. Because:
 * The 1971 album, Daddy Who? Daddy Cool has received a Platinum for 50,000 units according to this article
 * ABBA's 1975 album, ABBA has sold half a million units (10x Platinum) according to this article. The same article also states that ABBA's 1975 album, The Best of ABBA has received 22 Platinum-awards for sales of 1.1 million units.
 * This article of Billboard states under "Flight Economics" that the album, The Simon & Garfunkel Collection (released in 1981) has gone Triple Platinum (150,000 units), the same is for Men at Work's Business as Usual also released in 1981.
 * Talking Head's album, Stop Making Sense released in Sep. 1984, has sold 250,000 units (or over triple Platinum) according to this article.

But it's unclear when the Platinum was switched from 50,000 to 70,000 units between late '81 and '84.

Based on all that information, the 14x Platinum for The Dark Side of the Moon (released in 1973), should translate into 700,000 units (or 50,000 x 14), and not 980,000 (or 70,000 x 14). The same levels should be applied to albums released before 1982 (at the least). The re-issues; however, regardless when the original released, should be treated as a new release including The Beatles earlier albums that have been certified in 2009. --Harout72 (talk) 19:39, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for providing conclusive sources for this issue. I became aware of it through this article, but was not sure how to deal with it. I will proceed to correct this and the List of best-selling albums in Australia as soon as I can.-- Mαuri ’96   “ ...over the Borderline ” 23:34, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * There's a problem. The most likely reason The Wall and The Dark Side of the Moon were certified in 2011 was because of the new releases that were part of the Why Pink Floyd...? campaign. Does this mean that their certifications should be treated as new releases as well?-- Mαuri ’96   “ ...over the Borderline ” 09:06, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No, neither The Wall nor the Dark Side of the Moon are re-issues. The Dark Side of the Moon had most probably reached its 10x Platinum by early 80s, and sold the remainder up to 2011. It's obvious that neither one is a re-issue from the number of Platinum-awards they have gathered throughout the years. If ARIA had certified re-issues, they would be Platinum or 2x Platinum in the best case scenario. Music associations treat older releases as new releases ONLY if other than the original record company re-releases older materials. Another good example of this would be Queen's albums certified by Poland's ZPAV in 2009. They are all re-released by other than the original record company (Agora). Note that ZPAV has already certified Queen's Made in Heaven Platinum (100,000 units) in 1995 released by the original record company (Pomaton EMI), while the Agora's re-release has been certified separately in 2009, having received a Platinum (20,000 units=newer level).--Harout72 (talk) 19:19, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Britney Spears's Baby One More Time sold 30 million ????
Well, i need advised from the very expert editor in this list... today, accidentally i found a source from The Daily Telegraph which is stated that Spears debut album sold 30 million copies....!.. wow... the source is actually old, being released about 11 years ago on 28 April 2001..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/4723158/With-dreams-in-her-heart.html

I was the one who asking to change the claim sales of Spears debut album from 26m (The Guardian) to 27m (Bloomberg)... the source from Bloomberg is very recently, this years..!..

But as we all know... The Daily Telegraph is very reliable, we have been used the source from Telegraph for several albums on this list...

In my opinion... i think Spears debut album is reliable to sold 30m sales, since the album was a blockbuster global hit in 1998-2000 and make senses to have sold more than 30m.

This is really phenomenal... now Spears will join and get the equal status with Whitney Houston, Shania Twain, Alanis Morissette, Celine Dion, Mariah Carey, and Madonna... as the female artist with 30m sales album...

Need your consider.. Thanks. 39.210.229.207 (talk) 09:34, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, thanks for change the date from Santana's claim sources from 2008 to 2010... and thanks to include the certification sales of 30m-club... Ow, by the way... Can Someone Please Answered my question regarding Spears's debut claim sales above...?... this is hurt, i think no editor look interest to answered my question.... 182.15.96.118 (talk) 01:50, 22 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Please be patient. This is not the only Wikipedia page I regularly edit and besides, I am also an IB Diploma student in my last year.
 * Regarding ...Baby One More Time, relatively modest total European sales of 4 million, mean that total certification are only ~19 million. However, this is still enough for it to be added to the 30-39 million section.


 * P.S.: A more recent source than the one you gave will be used as there are multiple sources that state sales lower than 30 million yet were published later than your source.-- Mαuri ’96   “ ...over the Borderline ” 06:50, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

So.. this is mean that Spears debut will join the 30m-club or still inside the 20m-club?.. your mention above is not clear enough... but, thanks for your response... well, this is weird... The Daily Telegraph... is reliable or not???... i'm confuse.. the 2001 article edition said the 30m-claim but seven years later... is 25m.. i don't know, do we still use the telegraph as the source?... excuse me, i wanna go to toilet for throw up...182.15.96.118 (talk) 08:15, 22 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Judging by the fact that the certifications easily reach 22 million, I think its a safe bet to add her to the 30 million club; considering the several albums (Jackson's ahem...) that don't even meet the criteria. I'm adding it-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   08:36, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Well hi, we meet again... to be honest, i really like the list of best selling albums and the best selling music artists... i think, it was crazy prestigious!!.. i bet all artists in this planet, will killed to have their albums being listed in this list..

that's why, i want all the sources and the claim sales is always been updated and reliable... i'm was the one who successfully to change the claim sales of AC/DC, Madonna, Houston, Santana, Spears, Metallica, Nirvana, Jones, and TLC.... even the new claim sources of Twain, Michael, and Madonna... is come from me (i think)... and personally, i'm happy for it.

and thank you for included Spears to the 30m-club... but why her name still inside the 20m-club with the old information (27m?)... i think it should be deleted... and I'm still waiting to see the 20m-club will included with a certification sales...(if possible).. thanks. 39.212.99.194 (talk) 03:40, 23 September 2012 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. The double listing was fixed.
 * I'll also inform you that the certified sales for the 20 million section are going to take a long time (over two months) to finish and be added here. I'm in my last year of high school/secondary school and I do not plan to spend all my free time on the certifications.


 * Remember, there is no deadline.-- Mαuri ’96   “ ...over the Borderline ” 16:37, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Up!
Why isn't Shania Twian's Up! listed here? (72.207.213.185 (talk) 23:03, 24 September 2012 (UTC))


 * Please see this discussion.-- Mαuri ’96   “ ...over the Borderline ” 07:01, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes but even the album's wikipedia page says it sold 22 million (72.203.147.78 (talk) 23:11, 25 September 2012 (UTC))


 * According to [ this page], the 22 million number was a result of double counting. The page says:
 * "To date, Up! has sold 5.5 physical copies in the U.S., 10.5 physical copies worldwide (which by RIAA rules for double albums, are counted as 11 million units in the U.S. and 21 million worldwide) ”-- Mαuri ’96   “ ...over the Borderline ” 01:55, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 September 2012
Well, this is weird.... three days ago, I was asking to change the claim status of Santana's Supernatural by sub-mit an edit request section.... I was give with this sources... asking to change from 27m to 28m:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/santana-unveils-new-covers-disc-in-vegas-20100830

and my request was answered only in ONE DAY...

and when i'm not using an edit request yesterday, my request was not answered as fastest as i'm using an edit request..

and then... i will re-write again...:

I have found this sources... which claim that Supernatural sold nearly 30m.. please advise, is this sources reliable? if yes... please include Santana to 30m club... thanks..

http://www.heralddeparis.com/santana-bass-master-benny-rietveld/170289

39.210.35.90 (talk) 01:36, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done:–I'm sorry, a source with the phrase "nearly 30 million" does not suffice. The source may have even been referring to the present figure of 28 million.-- Mαuri ’96   “ ...over the Borderline ” 01:54, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Well alright.... but at least, please write the date of the source, correctly... i was the one who give the reliable source of Santana's Supernatural... i'm not comfortable seeing the editor write 2008-08-30... instead 2010-08-30... that's make the source look silly and the editor look like an idiot (sorry about that)... 182.2.13.194 (talk) 05:40, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done It appears that Mauri96 has made the requested change; I have therefore marked this edit request as answered. Michael   An  on  19:04, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

AN ASTERICK FOR  DOUBLE  ALBUMS
can albums like pink floyds  'The Wall' and   michael  jackson  'History Past Present and Future' have  astericks next to them on the list so that people looking at the list know they are double albums,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thank you--65.8.187.10 (talk) 22:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * – While your suggestion seems like a good idea, I think it would only make things more confusing because only the RIAA double certifications for double albums. Besides, There is already an explanation at the top of the list.-- Mαuri ’96   “ ...over the Borderline ” 23:30, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

you yourself put......,,,,. " NOT SURE" ,(which is not a yes or no),,,,,,,,,,,, however this would make it clearer to the reader, as per WIKIPEDIA policy--65.8.187.10 (talk) 13:01, 22 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:56, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Shania Twain's The Woman in Me
This is weird... so weird, i really need advice from the most lethal and skilled editor in this list... I don't know, but is MSN could be used as reliable source..?... if yes... now, please read this article..:

http://entertainment.ca.msn.com/music/photos/gallery.aspx?cp-documentid=28590688&page=7

In that article, it was stated that Twain's The Woman in Me topping 40 million copies..??.. this is silly, i thought Come on Over which sold 40 million copies...!

Anyone... please advice... thanks..182.5.219.228 (talk) 08:25, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Whitney Houston's Whitney (1987)
Ok... the source of Whitney 1987 album from The Oakland Tribune is actually not really specific.. is was stated like this..:

On this article, Harrington said "her first two albums, 1985's Whitney Houston and 1987's Whitney, were almost-incomparable blockbusters, combining to sell some 45 million copies...

giving that Whitney sold 20m... since many reliable sources has been stated her first album sold 25m...

Please advice... the source from Vanity Fair (magazine) quoted like this :

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2012/06/whitney-houston-death-bathtub-drugs-rehab

between her first two albums, which would sell nearly 50 million copies... the article also stated that her first and second album was equally successful.. meaning that her first and second album sold 25m...

if this source reliable... that's mean Whitney (1987) sold 25m... need your consider... thanks...182.10.129.34 (talk) 01:42, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * When they say equally successful, this could also mean they were equally successful on the charts or with critical praise. I dont think they mean that both albums sold the exact same number of albums especially with reliable sources saying otherwise (SuperCell3000 (talk) 01:47, 3 October 2012 (UTC))

Alright, thank you for your response... just see my edit request below... i'm already have the better source which is clearly claimed the 25m-sales of Whitney (1987)...182.4.98.67 (talk) 05:44, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 September 2012
Alright.... forget about my edit request regarding Whitney Houston's Whitney (1987) album above.... i have a better and best reliable source, which is clearly claim that Whitney (1987) sold 25 million copies... here's the source from Daily Mail....please change from the old claim... thanks...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2100280/Whitney-Houstons-cause-death-Singer-sought-oblivion-crack-cocaine.html

182.10.129.34 (talk) 04:09, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Already done --Tgeairn (talk) 00:28, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 October 2012
I request to add mane of NAZIA HASSAN in list, her album disco deewane sold over 60million.mention on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazia_Hassan

Shazia rana (talk) 15:37, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The source in her BIO article says that her albums sold a total of 60 million, not that the one album did. --Tgeairn (talk) 00:31, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Whitney
On the chart it says that Whitney's first two albums sold the same amount but Just a few days ago wasnt it 20 million? If for all this time there have been sources to show that it only sold 20 million, how did it shoot up 5 million in just a few months without being on any major charts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperCell3000 (talk • contribs) 01:53, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


 * What chart from what date said that both sold the same amount? Maybe that "same amount" was 25 million, seeing that the old source for her second album was from three years ago and didn't specify the sales of either of the two albums.-- Mαuri ’96   “ ...over the Borderline ” 21:11, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

bon jovi crossroad
the source states that the album sold 18.5 million copies worldwide not 21 million. you have to find another source stating 20 million+ sales or remove the album from the list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.237.231.89 (talk) 13:30, 5 October 2012 (UTC)


 * No it doesn't. It says 21.5 million.-- Mαuri ’96   “ ...over the Borderline ” 20:23, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Eagles Hotel California.
The website mediatraffic shows that Hotel California has sold 28 million copies worldwide, so it should be on this list. Just from personal experience, it's hard to find someone of any age who doesn't own this album. 142.167.100.189 (talk) 19:11, 23 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done:– Mediatraffic "points" are original research and are also 30% airplay. See this discussion for more info on why we don't use Mediatraffic.
 * Also, see this discussion on why we haven't been able to add the album despite the fact that it's certifications are over 21 million.
 * You should look for other, more reliable sources.-- Mαuri ’96   “ ...over the Borderline ” 21:11, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Sales
Shouldn't certain albums be higher on this list? Such as Guns N' Roses' "Appetite for Destruction" (30-35 million copies sold) their album "Use Your Illusion" (20 million) isn't listed, or "The Immaculate Collection" by Madonna which is said to have sold 31 million, Bob Marley's Legend (well over 20 million sold, approximately 27 million) isn't even listed, "True Blue" should be about 1 million higher, Phil Collins's "...But Seriously" isnt listed, Norah Jones's album Come Away With Me sold at least 30 million, there is no Eric Clapton album which if I'm correct his Unplugged album sold at least 20 million, Madonna's Ray of Light should be a about a million higher as well. Lastly i think if Wikipedia can be bias with Michael Jackson (as with only his ranges being shown at incredibly inflated numbers) and can accept the many people who have an interest in distorting sales figures (Michael Jackson being a perfect example considering it is quite impossible for Thriller to have sold over 80 million let alone 100 million) they should at least take these changes into consideration

http://tsort.info/music/faq_album_sales.htm

Albeit, the link may be a few years behind as some of the albums may not have been released digitally, which may greatly affect sales (an example being The Beatles) at the time the list was created. However, with that in mind, their sales would not have decreased since then (SuperCell3000 (talk) 23:54, 7 October 2012 (UTC))


 * I am very familiar with the tsort.info list; however it should be taken with a grain of salt as they get their worldwide estimates from just four markets, excluding such countries with significant album sales as Australia, Canada, Japan, Brazil, Italy, the Netherlands, Mexico and Sweden, which together represent 27% of the world CD sales in 2010.
 * Furthermore, both Ray of Light and True Blue already have slightly unrealistic sales, given that they shipped only 4× Platinum and 7× Platinum, respectively, in the United States.


 * Regarding Come Away with Me, its sales have already been inflated, and in the same way Bad 's have been. Until two months ago, it was listed with a 20 million claim, until I increased it to 26 million with a new source promoting an upcoming album. The source for bad claiming 45 million also spoke of a new release by the artist in question.


 * I'll try to find sources for ...But Seriously as it had huge sales in Europe and has just enough certifications for a 20 million claim.
 * I suggest you try to find reliable sources for Legend as it has more than enough certifications for a 25 or 30 million claim.-- Mαuri ’96   “ ...over the Borderline ” 02:01, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


 * If you want sales to be updated for the other albums you mentioned, I suggest you find news articles, critic reviews or other sources that mention the sales you mentioned. I'm a busy student in my last year before college/university and can't do everything for you.


 * Finally, digital album sales are really not very significant. For example, the best-selling digital album of all time in the United States has only sold around 2 million copies.-- Mαuri ’96   “ ...over the Borderline ” 20:31, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I will look for the sources, however those 2 million sales are only in the U.S. We live in a time where people are more incline to buy albums on the internet due to the convenience. Besides, that is a very bad example considering America's album sales are very few especially compared to previous years, not to mention single sales are greatly effected by digital downloads. Bad only went 8x Platinum, Dangerous went 7x Platinum and HIStory only went 7x Platinum in the U.S.(which was a bouble album sold that 7 million should be cut in half) yet they are said to have sold 45 million, 32 million, and 20 million respectively. And if I am correct, Madonna is the best-selling artist in Europe. Also, this source has been used on many other pages, and if they do only get their numbers from four markets then if anything the numbers would be slightly deflated meaning they shouldnt be any lower than what was listed. (SuperCell3000 (talk) 22:51, 8 October 2012 (UTC))


 * What I meant when I said they only get their sales from four markets was that they might overlook albums from Asia or Eastern Europe that were not very successful in the US, UK, France and Germany. Tsort.info do say they estimate: “the most probable level of worldwide sales”
 * They also say that: “if, for example, "Thriller" sold 40 million copies in those four markets then the expected total global sales would be 60 million”
 * I put expected in bold because I do not believe that making proportions is the best way to estimate world sales. The advantage of adding up all the available certifications is that you end up with a good estimate of the bare minimum number of copies an album has sold, barring overcertification.-- Mαuri ’96   “ ...over the Borderline ” 23:43, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Sales
this album sold over 31 million

(72.203.147.78 (talk) 22:23, 8 October 2012 (UTC))


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done:– Which album??-- Mαuri ’96   “ ...over the Borderline ” 21:32, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Madonna's Ray of Light sales figures RfC
At Talk:Ray_of_Light there is a discussion to determine how we present the album sales figures to the reader. Various sources for Madonna's Ray of Light album say it sold 14 million, 15, 16, 18, and 20 million. Please take part! Binksternet (talk) 16:27, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 October 2012
I have read a source from CBS News. http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500187_162-569136.html

That Shania Twain's Come on Over sold 44 million copies. please change. thanks.

182.7.238.99 (talk) 03:03, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I'd prefer to look for another source, as Forbes is more trustworthy than CBS online in my opinion. If you can find another source, then request again and I'll look at it. gwickwire &#124; Leave a message 17:09, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Correction
Now that one of Michael's albums have been removed, I think that in the final pargraph it should be noted that he no longer holds the record for having the most albums listed and in fact is tied with Madonna with four albums listed. (SuperCell3000 (talk) 01:30, 15 October 2012 (UTC))

us sales for michael jackson ,,,,,,,, history past present future ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,as per RIAA  with source
http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?content_selector=gold-platinum-searchable-database ,,,,,this link which takes you to riaa indicates the correct u.s. sales for the album.--65.8.191.79 (talk) 18:18, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

First off that link just takes you to the website not his certifications.

http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?artist=%22History:%20Past,%20Present%22

Thats the real link, but it doesnt matter anyway. The album was a double album and therefore, for every copy sold it is counted as two sales by the RIAA. Typically a 7x Platinum certification would mean 7 million copies sold but since it's a double album it actually only sold 3.5 million. HIStory never sold anywhere near 7 million in the US let alone 20 million worldwide, especially after the backlash of his trial (SuperCell3000 (talk) 21:15, 15 October 2012 (UTC))


 * I have to agree here. I'm sorry, but it just doesn't look like this album meets this criteria, regardless of the source. The fact about the RIAA is true. Sorry! gwickwire &#124; Leave a message 23:30, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

history past present future/   michael jackson
why is it off the list, it has sales certification by country,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,?please put it back on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.8.188.4 (talk) 11:31, 14 October 2012 (UTC) --65.8.188.4 (talk) 11:34, 14 October 2012 (UTC) ​.


 * argentina  60,000
 * australia  560,000
 * austria     100,000
 * brazil      100,000
 * canada     500,000
 * denmark    250,000
 * europe      6,000,000
 * finland      61,352
 * france   1,000,000
 * germany     1,500,000
 * japan      400,000
 * mexico      100,000
 * netherlands 300,000
 * new zealand 135,000
 * norway     50,000
 * poland     100,000
 * sweden     100,000
 * switzerland 150,000
 * uk       1,200,000
 * us       7,000,000/2= 3,500,000
 * Total: 11,355,000

this amount is sourced by wikipedia itself and meets the threshold to be listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.8.188.4 (talk) 13:05, 14 October 2012 (UTC) --65.8.188.4 (talk) 17:28, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: I added up all the certifications we have (using Europe instead of France, Germany, Switzerland, Denmark, etc.) and got a total of 11.355 million.
 * It does not meet the threshold because, just like with Up!, the United States certifications were doubled because it is a double album. Albums from 1995 need 11.5 million (57.5% in certifications) to be listed and HIStory only has 11.355 million
 * I will not "make an exception" because it seems very unlikely that the album sold 20 million worldwide if it only sold 9.5 million in the United States and Europe (where most of the market for Western albums is) combined.-- Mαuri ’96   “ ...over the Borderline ” 18:30, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

this adding is incorrect for u.s. album count,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i request a review by a higher supervisor--65.8.188.4 (talk) 20:43, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * add them up, they don't meet the threshold. Sorry. If you have a source that differs from the one we have, feel free to post it. Otherwise, I cannot make this change. gwickwire &#124; Leave a message 01:58, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

in argentina compilation albums (like History past present future ) are 200,000 for platinum which would qualify the album for the list--65.8.191.79 (talk) 15:11, 15 October 2012 (UTC)


 * . No source, and not formatted correctly. gwickwire &#124; Leave a message 21:47, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 October 2012
The miseducation of lauryn hill claim to sold 20 million by Tisch School of the Arts (http://clivedavisinst.tisch.nyu.edu/object/jacksonj.html) with 8 million certification in U.S only not including from other countries. It is reliable for that album claimed that sales. thanks

182.5.164.139 (talk) 12:19, 15 October 2012 (UTC)


 * source mentions "goes on to sell another 20 million", that could be anything from all of his records went on to sell, or that song, but it's not specific enough. Also, not formatted as an edit request. gwickwire &#124; Leave a message 21:47, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

HISTORY PAST PRESENT FUTURE ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,BEST SELLING ALBUMS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ASIA SALES NOT COUNTED
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6EDqgGDUMzIJ:www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D63110+michael+jackson+album+sales+india&cd=30&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,this source indicates a bigger tally for the album in  asia, which would exceed the requirement--65.8.191.8 (talk) 19:47, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


 * . Not a relaible source (at all, it's a forum), and not formatted correctly as an edit request. gwickwire &#124; Leave a message 21:47, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Creed's Human Clay is suppose to be in here
Ok so Creed's Human Clay sold 20 million copies. I'm pretty sure that is enough to get it in here. http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/interview-mark-tremonti-on-creeds-2012-full-albums-tour-538101

Source by the way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.133.242.45 (talk) 03:17, 28 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Albums released in 1999 need to have their claimed sales supported by 63.5% in certifications (used to be an even higher percentage), meaning that Human Clay needs 12.7 million in certifications to be added. Even after finding certifications from three more countries, the album still only has 12.22 million.
 * Sorry.--190.222.36.150 (talk) 16:38, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

heres yet another reference, for u.k. sales
== History past present future,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,can u help (best selling albums

^ a b c Day, Elizabeth (March 16, 2008). "The whole world in his hands". London: The Guardian. http://music.guardian.co.uk/pop/story/0,,2265010,00.html#article_continue. Retrieved April 21, 2008..............is a link which indicates that the total amount of History past present future, by Michael Jackson (sold in u.k.) would exceed the threshold necessary to be on the list,,,,,,,,,,thanks--65.8.191.151 (talk) 00:06, 23 October 2012 (UTC)the list of countries is below .

argentina 60,000 australia 560,000 austria 100,000 brazil 100,000 canada 500,000 denmark 250,000 europe 6,000,000 finland 61,352 france 1,000,000 germany 1,500,000 japan 400,000 mexico 100,000 netherlands 300,000 new zealand 135,000 norway 50,000 poland 100,000 sweden 100,000 switzerland 150,000 uk 1,500,000 us 7,000,000/2= 3,500,000 Total: 11,655,000 =========== albums from 1995 just need 11.5 million (57.5% in sales  autosigned">— Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.8.189.38 (talk) 16:46, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * ❌ I have no idea what you want changed. Please format your request as described at Thanks. -Nathan Johnson (talk) 04:22, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

the above information clearly states that History past present and future meets the threshold to be listed on the "best selling album" list, if you will notice above there is even a summary of all the sales that can be verified,,,,thank you--65.8.189.209 (talk) 09:32, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: It's not clear to me. Also please note that this page is semi-protected, not fully protected, so is inappropriate. -- Red rose64 (talk) 14:52, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry i though it was full protected. As to the amounts that are placed above and that would qualify the album for inclusion in the list, all available info has been included, however if there is something ADDITIONAL, i would be happy to add it to the request thank you--65.8.189.66 (talk) 10:27, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: - Can you provide a source that has all the numbers added up, so there is one figure for us to put in? - Thanks, Mdann52 (talk) 13:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

history past present future michael jackson
​ http://fanofmusic.free.fr/index.php?m=Charts&s=BestSellers&p=BestSellers&Act=121 clearly indicates that History Past present and Future meets the threshold for this list,,,thanks.--65.8.190.195 (talk) 11:53, 3 November 2012 (UTC)


 * . Please see above declines, and look at the page history for the full reasoning. gwickwire &#124; Leave a message 19:21, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Various Artists
Why is it that no Billy Joel album is listed? His Greatest Hits Vol. 1 & 2 got a 23x Platinum certification in the USA meaning 11.5 million copies sold.

http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?artist=Billy+Joel

It came out in 1985 so at the most it would need 40% to back up a 20 million claim, and considering 11.5 million is 40% of 28 million, and these are sales of the USA alone, this album surely may has enough for a 30 million sales claim.

Not to mention albums such as The Stranger which has a diamond award in the US

http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?resultpage=1&table=tblTop100&action=

and certifications measure up to about 10.5 million and it came out in 1977 meaning it has sales that can at least back up 40 million. However, as 40 million is an obvious stretch, a much more realistic number would be between 25-30 million

An Innocent Man was a widely popular album that came out in 1983 and certifications measure up to about 9 million meaning it would need at least a 36% supported figure. This album with 9 million certified can support at least 25 million from that number (a much more realistic number) at least 20-23 million.

Also, Bruce Springsteen's Born to Run came out in 1975 and went 6x platinum in the USA.

http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?content_selector=gold-platinum-searchable-database#

Again these are American sales alone and it can still support at least a 20 million claim (somewhere between 20-25 million).

Born in the USA has certifications that measure up to about 21 million

http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?artist=%22Born+in+the+U.S.A.%22

It came out in 1984 so it would need 38% supported figures, and 20 million units can support up to 50 million. However a more realistic number would be somewhere between 35-40 million, however it is well over 30 million

The Beatles' White album has a 19x platinum certification meaning 9.5 million sold in the US plus the 8x platinum sales in Canada.

http://www.riaa.org/goldandplatinumdata.php?resultpage=1&table=SEARCH_RESULTS&artist=beatles&startMonth=1&endMonth=1&startYear=1958&endYear=2009&sort=Artist&perPage=200

http://www.musiccanada.com/GPSearchResult.aspx?st=&ica=False&sa=Beatles&sl=&smt=0&sat=-1&ssb=Artist

Together that adds to 10.3 million and as it came out in 1968, it would need at least 20% of its sales to support a worthy claim. 10.5 is 20% of 50 million and for the Beatles that may be a pretty accurate number. However, more realistically statics wise, at least 30 million may be a bit more accurate.

Revolver got a 5x platinum certification in the US

http://www.riaa.org/goldandplatinumdata.php?resultpage=1&table=SEARCH_RESULTS&artist=beatles&startMonth=1&endMonth=1&startYear=1958&endYear=2009&sort=Artist&perPage=200

And therefore can support up to, a very realistic, 25 million claim

The Magical Mystery Tour has a 6x platinum award in the US (theres no sense in pasting the very same link multiple times) and has a 4x platinum award in Canada same canadian source as above) and can support up to a 30 million claim. However, as this album was not one of their most popular, a better claim would be between 23-26 million.

Rubber Soul has a 6x platinum certification in the USA and a 2x platinum certification in Canada meaning 6.2 million and therefore able to support a 30 million claim as well

The album, Meet the Beatles has a 5x platinum certification in the US and can support a, very realistic, 25 million

A Hard Day's Night has a 4x platinum award and a 1x platinum award in Canada and can therefore support a 20 million claim

Let It Be has 4x platinum certified and a 3x platinum award in Canada thereby supporting up to 21 million.

These sales for the Beatles should actually be much higher considering these are US and Canadian sales alone, not to mention most of their albums had separate releases for the UK and US

Led Zeppelin's first album has an 8x platinum certification in the US

http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?resultpage=4&table=SEARCH_RESULTS&action=&title=&artist=Led_Zeppelin&format=&debutLP=&category=&sex=&releaseDate=&requestNo=&type=&level=&label=&company=&certificationDate=&awardDescription=&catalogNo=&aSex=&rec_id=&charField=&gold=&platinum=&multiPlat=&level2=&certDate=&album=&id=&after=&before=&startMonth=&endMonth=&startYear=&endYear=&sort=Artist&perPage=100

a diamond award in Canada

http://www.musiccanada.com/GPSearchResult.aspx?st=&ica=False&sa=Led%20Zeppelin&sl=&smt=0&sat=-1&ssb=Artist

and a 2x platinum certification in the UK meaning 9.6 million sold for a 1969 album. Thereby supporting up to a 48 million claim (however a much more realistic number would be between 26-32 million)

Led Zeppelin 2 have a 12x platinum certification in the US, 4x platinum in the UK, and 9x platinum in Canada combined making a total of 14.1 million for a 1969 album and can support a 70 million claim (at least a 33 million claim would be appropriate)

Houses of the Holy is certified 11x platinum in the US and platinum in the UK to make a total of 11.3 million sold for a 1973 album, supporting up to 56 million (at least 30 million).

It is actually a farce that Physical Graffiti is not on this list as it has a 16x platinum certification in the US and a 2x platinum in the UK, Gold in Germany and Gold in France making for a total of 9.5 million sold worldwide. Thereby supporting up to 44 million (mostly likely a number between 30-35 million)

Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here has a 6x platinum certification in the US

http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?resultpage=1&table=SEARCH_RESULTS&action=&title=&artist=Pink%20Floyd&format=&debutLP=&category=&sex=&releaseDate=&requestNo=&type=&level=&label=&company=&certificationDate=&awardDescription=&catalogNo=&aSex=&rec_id=&charField=&gold=&platinum=&multiPlat=&level2=&certDate=&album=&id=&after=&before=&startMonth=1&endMonth=1&startYear=1958&endYear=2007&sort=Artist&perPage=25

Among its many other certifications, its American sales alone can support up to a 30 million claim for this album.

This is the same for The Rolling Stone's Some Girls which has a 6x platinum certification in the US

Eric Clapton Unplugged has a certified 16 million units sold (I would post each individual source here but luckily wikipedia has already done it for me, with the numbers listed next to the certifications)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton_Unplugged

Thus supporting a 30 million sales claim (25-30 are reasonable numbers)

Phil Collins's ...But Seriously has enough certifications to boast a 14 million sold, thereby supporting a 29 million claim (25 is quite reasonable)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...But_Seriously

Also, I am not using wikipedia as a source i just felt that instead of listing many different sources that say the same thing i could just direct you to them all at once

AC/DC's Highway to Hell certifications for 7 million in America and 200,000 in Canada supporting a 25 million claim

http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=SEARCH_RESULTS&artist=AC/DC

http://www.musiccanada.com/GPSearchResult.aspx?st=&ica=False&sa=ac/dc&sl=&smt=0&sat=-1&ssb=Cert.%20Date

Queen's A Night at the Opera has certifications for over 4 million sold worldwide, thereby supporting a 20 million sales claim

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Night_at_the_Opera_%28Queen_album%29#Certifications

News of the World has certifications for 5.6 million thereby backing up a 23 million sales claim

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_of_the_World_%28album%29#Charts_and_certifications

(SuperCell3000 (talk) 22:20, 8 November 2012 (UTC))


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: You make very good points for LOTS of albums, the problem is, we can't add them without reliable sources for the sales claims. That's why, for example, Hotel California hasn't been added to the list despite the fact that it has over 21 million in certifications. As a side note, it's nice to see people making use of the certification tables I made for Queen's studio albums and ...But Seriously :)
 * If you want to get something done about this, I suggest you just google "[album title]" "[sales claim]" and see what you can find. I've already gotten started on "...But Seriously", but haven't found any reliable sources yet. -- Mαuri ’96   “ ...over the Borderline ” 04:39, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 November 2012
I was the one who asking to include TLC's CrazySexyCool on the list with 22m claim from MSNBC.

Now, i advise to raise the claim figures of their second album to 23m claim from The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/tlc-plan-first-album-since-lisa-left-eye-lopes-death-8282219.html)

Thanks.

39.210.79.73 (talk) 05:45, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Done - with this edit. I see this list appears to have its own sourcing rules, so this may be the "B" in WP:BRD. I've done it on the basis that this source seems as good as the existing one, with no prejudice against another editor reverting or altering to suit page practice/norms. Thanks. Begoon &thinsp; talk 00:07, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * thank you for raising the claim figures of TLC's Album in this list, but why the 22m claim figures sources still put in the list. It would make the reader confuse, which is the reliable? I suggest to remove the claim figures source from MSNBC. 182.4.56.245 (talk) 11:06, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ - Begoon &thinsp; talk  11:21, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 November 2012
Adele's 21 is the world's biggest selling album of all time, beating out Michael Jackson's Thriller far far away.

The Daily Telegraph announce 21 has sold 220 million copies (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/9450131/Singer-Adele-babysits-for-a-strangers-child-at-high-street-cafe.html)

Please put that Album at the top of the list. thanks

182.4.56.245 (talk) 11:23, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: That looks like a typo to me, at the time the number sold was 22 million, it's now up to 25 million. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:27, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Ha. I thought the Grauniad was the "specialist" for typos - maybe not any more... Begoon &thinsp; talk  11:34, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your response, of course i know. Because it was silly since THE DAILY TELEGRAPH is one of the most reliable news source in the world's history and it was look idiot when i see that 220m figures came out from such a prestigious source. 182.4.56.245 (talk) 11:40, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 November 2012
no offence please, but i suggest to change the claim sources of Iron Butterfly's In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida because is look not appropriate and really different from the others (most of the albums claim sources in this list come from a reliable newspaper)

Please put this sources for In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida claim figures in this list from Otago Daily Times, it would more appropriate. thanks

(http://www.odt.co.nz/entertainment/music/228919/gloriously-indulgent-orgy-iron-butterfly)

182.4.56.245 (talk) 11:04, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Done - because it seemed better to me than what was there. Thanks. Incidentally, if you want to make lots of edits like this, have you considered getting an account, so you may do it yourself? It's by no means required - but could make it easier for you. Begoon &thinsp; talk 02:52, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Really? i can, then could you please share me the way how to get an account in here. thanks 182.4.56.245 (talk) 04:09, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Why create an account? should answer most questions you would have. The link at the top of that page: Create an account now will take you to the Sign Up page. Begoon &thinsp; talk  04:22, 17 November 2012 (UTC)