Talk:List of best-selling music artists/Archive 48

Oasis

 * I think Oasis have reached the 75 million sales for all records worldwide.:
 * They have albums and singles going multi platinum in the UK alone with singles and albums for years. long after they passed the 70 million mark. can someone help me out please ?:
 * References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

178.167.167.230 (talk) 16:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, would you mind to help break down their certified sales? --Apoxyomenus (talk) 17:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I only have UK figures is that enough ?. Regards 178.167.167.230 (talk) 18:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Unless, their UK certs are higher than their claimed sales, and therefore meets the criteria, that would be enough. But the idea is that it should include all of their available certifications, like it happens with all artists listed here: from United States to Canada or Australia. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 18:15, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't have that info. Do other people check that stuff out ?. They have been over 70 million sales for years and I have seen their uk sales go up a lot alone since 70 million was mentioned 178.167.167.230 (talk) 18:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * How far do you put them away from 75 with the figures we have ?. 178.167.167.230 (talk) 18:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes every listed artist were included under that criteria. Judging by current artists within the category of 75M claimed sales and from early 1990s, they have a minimun of 55M certified units. I don't know Oasis's total available certified units. I would like to help, but unfortunately I'm bussy. You might consider help us finding their certified units, by scrolling into their discography (also Template:Oasis). We only include certified sales, for example BPI sales not figures from OCC. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 19:06, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The changes are not supported by neutral, independent, reliable sources. Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Lightoil (talk) 19:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

How the hell would i be able to list all of their sales on here ?. it would be impossible ? 178.167.167.230 (talk) 19:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Time-consuming, but it is necessary provide evidence, at least with our current method. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 21:34, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi. I'll help you. Here is their sales list in the biggest markets. I didn't find anything other than these and in markets like Brazil, Mexico they either don't have a certificate or the number is less than 100,000 when you add them up. One more thing, sales in Sweden and Australia are until 2009, see if you can get anything after that date.


 * Thanks, Markus. I found that their certs in Sweden remains the same. I added their Spanish certs per this source. I'll help with other countries. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 22:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Nice! Forget to include Spain.--Markus WikiEditor (talk) 22:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Done with Japan, Italy and Switzerland. I'm still busy, not sure if y'll can help with other countries. I tend to believe that they already fit for an automatic inclusion, although there exist various streaming-generated certs and a source is needed for the 75M claim. Thanks, --Apoxyomenus (talk) 23:09, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for helping me with this guys I have been following their sales I knew they had to have passed the mark with the UK sales alone in the last while. How many certified sales would they need to reach the 80–99 million section ?. If they have 57 million certified sales at the moment please ?. Can one of you add their photo to that section of the sales please ?. like all the other artists have please ?. Thank you 178.167.186.35 (talk) 15:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 June 2024
In the "Country" section next to Oasis, can you rename it to "United Kingdom", as per usual with the other music artists that hail from the United Kingdom? 2601:40D:101:9D60:13E:A6BD:3E8:F715 (talk) 16:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ Jamedeus (talk) 21:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Roberto Carlos and Nelson Gonçalves
If you take a look at the List of best-selling Latin music artists page, Roberto Carlos and Nelson Gonçalves are reported to have sold 100 and 75 million copies, respectively. They both should also be in this page. Check out that article's talk page for discussion of those artists in the lists. Erick (talk) 17:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Dalida, Charles Aznavour, Julio Inglesias... there must be many more? Maybe a Chinese General? Maybe Edith Piaf? Monodonoceros (talk) 15:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Taylor’s sales need to be updated
Regardless of the method that you use to count sales, Taylor’s sales must be updated. We all know that she broke all kinds of records in the past 3 years and that she has been the best selling artist in the world in 2023 and will be in 2024 too. She has sold tons of physical sales on top of being the most streamed artist of the year in 2023 (and so far in 2024 as well). Since 2021 (her last update) she has released 4 new albums (4 rerecordings + 2 brand new albums), she’s making music history.She’s been Billboard top artist for more than 100 weeks. It’s about time all of this gets acknowledged. Tommyb95 (talk) 15:48, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * You need to provide reliable sources to back up sales figures. Erick (talk) 15:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * for God’s sake, even if you take into consideration only the first week sales certified by Billboard you can see that Taylor moved millions of physical sales! As for streaming goes the numbers are open, it’s been written everywhere that Taylor has generated 26 billions streams in 2023 alone and RIAA equates 1500 streams to an equivalent album sale. Just look it up! IFPI awarded Taylor in 2033 as the best selling artist in the world (only artist to win it 4 times). There are hundreds of sources that document the success that Taylor has had in the past 3 years, even here on Wikipedia. The 114 weeks as Billboard top artist is certified by Billboard itself, what more do you want? Sleeping on Taylor and denying what happened in the past 3 years is just unprofessional for a page that claims to be a reference for the best selling artists of all time… 37.163.188.66 (talk) 16:03, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The burden is on the one making the claim. It is not up to me or anyone else to provide the sources to back those statements up. Erick (talk) 16:25, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I guess Billboard isn’t a valuable source for you then 37.163.188.66 (talk) 16:46, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * How about you post a source from Billboard that backs up Taylor's sales? Erick (talk) 16:49, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * https://www.billboard.com/lists/taylor-swift-tortured-poets-department-debut-number-one-billboard-200-chart/#! there you go, the evidence from Billboard that Taylor sold just in the US 2.61 millions albums with only TTPD (one of the 11 albums that she has in the top200)in its first week… Billboard posts an article about Taylor every week citing how much she sells… and that’s just in the US 37.163.188.66 (talk) 16:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * there you also have the proof by Billboard that Taylor is in fact the best selling artist of 2023: https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-beat/taylor-swift-crowned-ifpi-global-recording-artist-2023-1235611258/amp/ 37.163.188.66 (talk) 16:57, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Source one says equivalent album units, not sales and source two makes no mention of how much she sold. Erick (talk) 17:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * equivalent album sales are the current measure in the industry ever since streaming entered the game… how else can you count all formats, from pure sales to digital sales to streaming? btw even if you wanna deny streaming equivalent sales, the article states that Taylor sold 1.91 millions pure sales (physical) with TTPD in its first week in the US only. Just imagine how much Taylor sold in all formats in the past 3 years with all her 11 albums charting in the billboard hot200… also, everything I stated is fact-checked by billboard. Even the 26.1 billions streams in 2023 alone are reported by Billboard itself (https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/taylor-swift-spotify-top-artist-2023-1235514071/amp/)… if you knew the RIAA equivalences from streaming to equivalent album sales, you would known how much she sold in 2023… but I get it, you’d rather pretend that 26.1 billion streams amount to nothing. Let’s act as if the current best selling artist in the world sold 0 copies in the past 2/3 years. Just wait until a dumb magazine claims that she sold 250 or 300 million sales in a few years. Don’t be surprised though if your page loses credibility in the mean time. There are sites that actually monitor all formats every day and they add all things up to provide a realistic picture (which explain how Taylor sold 40 millions equivalent album sales in 2023 worldwide), you clearly aren’t one of those sources… bye 2A0E:425:889B:0:6C42:1128:F647:154B (talk) 18:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I believe the 26.1 billion streams are from a global audience. Even if these streams were all from the United States and entirely paid, they would only amount to 17.4 million album-equivalent units, which wouldn't significantly impact her currently reported sales. TheWikiholic (talk) 05:49, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * aren’t sales supposed to be global? It’s not like sales outside the US don’t matter. Btw these are just the filtered streaming figures from 2023. Count 2023, 2024 streaming + physical sales, you would realize that she sold more than 50 million equivalent albums sales since 2022, and these kind of sales are significant by all standards 78.208.129.149 (talk) 16:40, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * What does Taylor's not updated certifications have to do with Beyoncé's??? you can work for that without disruptive other artist's updated figure. Wikipedia adheres to the principle of neutrality and does not cater to fan biases. WP:NPOV WP:NOTFANWEBSITE Newpicarchive (talk) 15:48, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I didn’t even mention Beyoncé in this thread. I do believe that magazines inflate her sales to make them fit her legend status, I think that in terms of equivalent units her sales are closer to what is claimed by sources like Chartmasters (over 100 millions, like Rihanna and Adele but nowhere close to 200 millions), but I respect that on this list we go by claimed sales… but at least they should be updated, and Taylor’s success in the past 3 years need to be taken into account 78.208.129.149 (talk) 16:44, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Why you reply to me as anonymous?? But you did revert her figures entirely. The source i provided is NOT a magazine, it's from Sony Music. We don't use the equivalent units and a chart blog that is managed by fans like Chartmasters that is disqualified as a reliable source per WP:BADCHARTS here but the total certifications units and claimed units ( claimed by Sony Music in Beyoncé's case FYI). Newpicarchive (talk) 17:19, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Revert this and don't mislead the editors again. The UK certification of all the artists are updated as of May 17, 2024. BPI only added 140,000 units of certification of Beyonce since then. Do not use Wikipedia pages and Sony Music, which is the record label of Beyonce who are notable of inflating record sales for their artists for their promotional purposes. TheWikiholic (talk) 17:58, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you TheWikiholic for pointing that out! 🙏🏻 2A0E:425:889B:0:BDD2:2C2B:9810:C873 (talk) 19:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * don't mislead the editors but at the same time you accused a record label inflating numbers without evidence. Make it make sense! Newpicarchive (talk) 21:24, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Chartmasters is not managed by fans of any specific artist. It’s a team of people who work every day to find out data from all over the world, be it physical sales, streaming sales, and digital sales. They use the industry norms to weight all the formats in the same way for every artist, they study each artist’s case album by album, and if they haven’t studied an artist yet they don’t claim anything about their sales. Their data are consistent with the charts from all over the world, kworb and so on… and they provide the list of the sources that they use for every artist, if only you bother to look carefully. They certainly don’t take data from the record label of the artist! 2A0E:425:889B:0:BDD2:2C2B:9810:C873 (talk) 19:31, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Per WP:BADCHARTSAVOID chartmasters is being disqualified to use as a source. They also calling a certain artist a derogatory name and occasionally involved in a fan-war on the internet https://x.com/dojajay/status/1713030443749023879) -- is that supposed to be a "reliable source" compared to a record label??? Newpicarchive (talk) 21:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * they certainly have less conflict of interest than a record label, whose job is to promote their artists… and they are one of the few sites that use a fair and scientific approach to every artist, going into detail for every album… 2A0E:425:889B:0:BDD2:2C2B:9810:C873 (talk) 21:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Btw I reply as anonymous because I don’t have the time to log in every single time to reply 2A0E:425:889B:0:BDD2:2C2B:9810:C873 (talk) 19:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Beyonce certifications
Her certifications have been recently updated, particularly in Brazil and across various European regions. The German page Beyoncé/Auszeichnungen für Musikverkäufe is consistently being updated, and even her album tracks have been certified in these regions. You can verify each one of the songs and countries individually yourself. Newpicarchive (talk) 21:01, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I tend to believe almost all artists have pending certifications to be updated in this list by some degrees, including Beyonce. However, see WikiHolic's observations, taking UK and US as example and compare again their figures (German Wikipedia) in the UK and US. We can't take Wikipedia as a source, per se. You're welcome to add missing data as long they haven't been updated and came from the certifying body. Cheers, --Apoxyomenus (talk) 02:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Beyoncé's certifications have not been updated to 11M units (in the UK) since May 17, 2024. You are citing German Wikipedia as source. Wikipedia is not a reliable source. We have around 120 artists on this list, and we do not use the website of artists nor their record label's website as a source. You should revert your edits. You've already made 4 reverts within the last 24 hours, thus breaking the 3-revert rule, which warrants a block. TheWikiholic (talk) 15:08, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Just as a side note, that source (Irish Independent) stating 160m sold is dated 15th April 2016, which is actually pre-Lemonade. Lemonade was released 23rd April 2016. Considering she released 3 studio albums, 1 soundtrack album ,another album with the Carters  and various singles since that article was published, i  would argue the article is outdated and not particularly useful. Thanks.

Edit: It's similar with Swift. The article stating her lower estimate (170m) is dated 2015. We all know she has released many albums and records since then. Why are outdated lower estimates being used for only Beyonce and Swift? Other artists either don't have a lower estimate number, or if they do, their sources are more up to date. For instance Rihanna. The article stating her lower estimate (BBC) is dated 2017--which may have a modicum of accuracy considering she has released no albums since 2016. Personally. i would argue that the lower estimates for both Beyonce and Taylor need to either be updated or removed. Koppite1 (talk) 09:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

This article is so incorrect and vague ( Bing Crosby ? Elvis Presley ? The Beatles ? Frank Sinatra ? )
Elvis Presley sold more than 1 billion records worldwide The Beatles the same sold Over 1 billion records worldwide, Bing Crosby sold 1 billion récords worldwide and Sinatra more than 500 millions worldwide. Nobody sold more than them. That's true 2800:BF0:170:B69:5C26:9624:139F:1B2E (talk) 01:15, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * And yet this article with the collaborations of contributors like yourself, pointing out these deficiencies will help these very capable Wiki editors make the necessary modifications and adjustments that through time will correct these and other discrepancies. As I pointed out in the previous brief, and to reiterate, this is a work in progress that in time will strive in endeavoring very satisfactory results for all of us readers and contributors. In closing, this directory list of Best-selling music artists will be an excellent point of reference article. Victor0327 (talk) 02:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

The best seller single artist worldwide are Elvis Presley and Bing Crosby
Crosby sold 1 billion records worldwide and Elvis over 1 billion records worldwide, Michael Jackson never has sold more discs than Elvis, Crosby Beatles , Sinatra or ABBA but where is Perry Como? Dean Martin? Enrico Carruso? Anybody said Al Jolson, Where is Al Jolson?

It's a incorrect and Bad page. 2800:BF0:170:B69:14AB:D80C:4403:2B80 (talk) 17:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * No only them, Where is Nat King Cole? Wayne Newton? etc 2800:BF0:170:B69:A4A7:6761:B32C:9B67 (talk) 03:21, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Bing Crosby and the Guinness Book of World Records
Crosby fans, you take Guinness as a reference. But according to the Guinness Book of World Records 1983, "he received a second platinum disc when Decca Records claimed a sale of 300,650,000 discs... No independently audited figures of his global lifetime sales from his royalty reports have ever been published, and experts regard figures so high as this, before the industry became highly developed, as exaggerated." : https://archive.org/details/guinness1983book00mcwh/page/280/mode/2up?q=crosby

And according to the Guinness website, "Although precise sales figures are difficult to obtain and are often disputed, it is widely acknowledged that only The Beatles, Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson have conclusively sold more records worldwide than Madonna, with most estimates settling on a figure between 300 and 400 million." : https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-female-recording-artist 2A01:E0A:A7D:D580:7840:63E2:24F3:31A1 (talk) 07:21, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Wait! , Wait!  Here you are misunderstanding things friend, one thing is a fan and another to claim objectivity here it is not about being fans of Bing Crosby or Elvis Presley. What idiots! So if you claim some real truthful fact, you become a fan of that fact? I see what the absurd criteria they have been using here is and I understand why this article is so terrible.
 * Presley and Crosby surpass 1 billion albums sold worldwide, whether you want to accept it or not, that is so, now that you address this issue, I ask which experts?  They have no support, there is no evidence to refute this, you cannot draw conclusions based on deductions and even less if there is evidence Decca made the claim of 300 million at the end of 1969 and published in 1970 in 1973 Crosby sold more than 400 million records too Guinees reported this fact and in 1977 more than 500 million, when Crosby and Presley died there was an excessive demand for records that deliveries were postponed until 1978 from both artists, the New York Times published. I have pirated Crosby albums made in Ecuador, Argentina or Russia and Africa under local labels, it's impressive and I ask you how you measure piracy? It's impossible, that's the answer.
 * They cannot be based on erroneous assumptions, this seems like a conspiratorial being with an unintelligible tendency. "How was it that Jesus Christ became famous in all cultures if there were no advanced means of communication or translators? Very simply, you cannot analyze history with current perspectives. events that occurred and that's it.
 * Crosby abd Presley, both sold over 1 billion records worldwide, that's right. 2800:BF0:170:B69:5C26:9624:139F:1B2E (talk) 09:05, 8 July 2024 (UTC)