Talk:List of best-selling singles/Archive 4

Same Rules as Best-selling Artists or Albums?
Shouldn't you have the same rules as you have in the Best Selling Artists section? By that I mean claims have to be backed up by a certain % of certifications, depending on when released. "White Christmas", "Yes, Sir, I Can Boogie" and "Fernando" for example do not have enough certifications to justify such reported claims. (Coachtripfan (talk) 16:29, 17 April 2013 (UTC))

In the Best Selling Albums section you have this rule: "All albums included on this list have their available claimed figure(s) supported by at least 20% in certified copies. The percentage amount of certified sales needed increases the newer the album is, so albums released before 1975 are only expected to have their claimed figures supported by at least 20% in certified copies. However, newer albums, such as 21 and Come Away with Me, are expected to have their claimed figures supported by at least 70% in certified copies. Certified copies are sourced from available online databases of local music industry associations." A similar rule should apply for singles.(Coachtripfan (talk) 16:34, 17 April 2013 (UTC))


 * I actually wrote that rule for the best-selling albums list, basing it on the one on the best-selling artists list.
 * However, we can't implement a similar rule here because at least before the late 1970's, there were not enough countries awarding certifications to provide a good general estimate of a single's sales. Furthermore, while albums sometimes receive certifications from new record industry associations that were founded after a particular album is released, this rarely happens with singles. (Compare the creation/foundation dates of different industry associations with the countries where Thriller was certified


 * For more information, see this discussion.-- Mαuri ’96   “ ...over the Borderline ” 17:05, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Maybe not exactly the same rules as for artists/albums but surely some rules? By the 1970s most of the major markets had certifications for singles and I can't see how you can possibly get 18m for Yes, sir, I Can Boogie, for example. (Coachtripfan (talk) 16:42, 23 April 2013 (UTC))

Teenage Dream updated sales
US (4X Platinum) = 4,475,476 (http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=118488&st=0)

UK (Gold) = 530,000 (http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=118488&st=0)

Australia (4x Platinum) = 280,000 (http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.aupageshttpwww.aria.com.auSINGLEaccreds2011.htm)

Austria (Gold) = 7,500 (http://www.ifpi.at/?section=goldplatin)

Canada (Gold - Ringtones) = 20,000 (http://www.cria.ca/goldplat.php)

Canada (3x Platinum) = 240,000 (http://www.cria.ca/goldplat.php)

Denmark (Gold) = 10,000 (http://www.ifpi.dk/?q=certificeringer&page=22)

Germany (Gold) = 150,000 (http://www.musikindustrie.de/gold_platin_datenbank/#topSearch)

Italy (Gold) = 30,000 (http://www.fimi.it/temp/cert_Nielsen_week50.pdf)

New Zealand (2x Platinum) = 30,000 (http://www.radioscope.net.nz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=77&Itemid=61)

Sweden (Gold) = 20,000 (http://www.hitlistan.se/)

GRAND TOTAL = ~5.8 million

Please update? Thank you! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.205.30.109 (talk) 21:28, 21 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done: I also added Korean sales.-- Mαuri ’96 “  everything and nothing always haunts me…  ” 03:44, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Singles WW sales
http://www.mediatraffic.de/alltime-track-chart.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.248.76.222 (talk) 20:00, 28 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done:– Mediatraffic "points" are original research and are also 30% airplay. See this discussion for more info on why we don't use Mediatraffic.-- Mαuri ’96 “  everything and nothing always haunts me…  ” 18:45, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Look this
Look this Madonna´s song

Music 7.179.000- Hung Up 5.108.000 (2005)- Hung Up 4.601.000 (2006)- Sorry 5.180.000 - 4 Minutes 7.623.000

Information is on the website of mediatraffic   http://www.mediatraffic.de/previous.htm  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MoreMoneyGomes (talk • contribs) 23:12, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Ai se eu te pego - 3.014.000 http://www.mediatraffic.de/tracks-2012.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by MoreMoneyGomes (talk • contribs) 23:16, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Read WP:BADCHARTS lately? Mediatraffic isn't a reliable source.&mdash;Kww(talk) 23:20, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Add will.i.am to the "best selling" section
will.i.am according to this list alone has sold more than the cumulative sales of the artists listed "The artists who have released the most singles that appear on this list are Elvis Presley and Katy Perry with six entries each, and Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Beyoncé, Flo Rida, and Britney Spears, with five each. The cumulative sales for each are 40 million, ~42 million, ~48 million, ~37 million, 36 million and 34 million, respectively."

With this list alone (not counting his other massive singles that haven't yet reached 5 Mill like Scream and Shout, Imma Be, Rock That Body), Will totals 47.5 million sales.

14.6 - I Gotta Feeling (As BEP)

10.7 - Boom Boom Pow (As BEP/Producer)

6.9 - OMG (Featured/Producer)

8 - My Humps (As BEP/Producer)

7.3 - The Time (As BEP/Producer)

If including all single sales, Will would total even more than this with the addition of other massive hits.

4 - Scream & Shout (Main/Producer)

3.1 - Fergalicious (Featured/Producer)

2 - In The Ayer (Featured/Producer)

2 - Hall of Fame (Featured)

3 - Let's Get Retarded/It Started (As BEP/Producer)

1.5 - Where Is The Love? (As BEP/Producer)

1.5 - Pump It (As BEP/Producer)

4.1 - Big Girls Don't Cry (Producer)

2.1 American Boy (Producer)

3 - Meet Me Halfway (As BEP/Producer)

With these additions (Which are all taken from the certifications listed on Wikipedia) his single sales total 73.8 total sales, far beyond the current listed best-seller (Gaga with 48 million).


 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: will.i.am was added to the list of artist with most singles on the list.


 * By the way, Lady Gaga and Rihanna, not to mention Elvis Presley and Taylor Swift each have many (in the case of Swift and Presley, dozens) other singles that have not sold enough worldwide to be on this list.
 * Were all of their singles considered, both Rihanna and Elvis Presley would likely be far beyond will.i.am's total.-- Mαuri ’96 “  everything and nothing always haunts me…  ” 21:27, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

what about best-selling singles by genre ??
--178.235.183.165 (talk) 15:03, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Not Afraid, Like a G6 and S&M
Other three singles with total sales exceeding 5m

Not Afraid, by Eminem, total sales 6.07m:

USA 4,928,394 (http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=105177 )

UK 389,900 (http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1415480)

Korea 567,119 (17th best selling single by foreign artist in 2010, see in the 2010 year end chart)

Australia 140,000 (http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.auaccreds2010.htm)

New Zealand 15,000 (1 Platinum on January 23, 2011 http://www.webcitation.org/5yW7i8Oca)

Switzerland 30,000 (http://swisscharts.com/awards.asp?year=2010)

Like a G6, by Far East Movement, total sales 5.79m:

USA 4,102,755 (http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=105177)

Australia 210,000 (http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.aupageshttpwww.aria.com.auSINGLEaccreds2011.htm)

Belgium 15,000 (http://www.ultratop.be/nl/certifications.asp?year=2011)

Korea: 614,712 (album Free Fired’s version, 14th best selling single by foreign artist in 2010, see in the 2010 year end chart of GaonChart) +501,367 (album Free Fired’s version, 22nd best selling single by foreign artist in 2011, see in the 2011 year end chart) + 237,451 (single version, 78th best selling single by foreign artist in 2011, see in the 2011 year end chart) + 107,197 (single version, 178th best selling single by foreign artist in 2012, see in the 2012 year end chart)

S&M, by Rihanna (feat. Britney Spears); before listing the links, I have to admit that total sales include both the album version and the remix with Britney Spears. Normally I would not add sales of different versions, but I think that in this case we could do an exception because their sales were summed up even on the Billboard Hot 100, when this song reached number one during the last week of April, 2011.

Total sales 5.54m:

USA 3,522,977 (http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=105177)

UK 643,000 (http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/the-top-20-biggest-selling-singles-of-2011-revealed/)

Australia 280,000 (http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.aupageshttpwww.aria.com.auSINGLEaccreds2011.htm)

Belgium 15,000 (http://www.ultratop.be/en/certifications.asp?year=2011)

Denmark 30,000 (http://ifpi.dk/?q=certificeringer&page=9)

Finland 5,073 (http://www.ifpi.fi/tilastot/artistit/Rihanna)

Germany 150,000 (http://www.musikindustrie.de/no_cache/gold_platin_datenbank/#topSearch, search for S&M)

New Zealand 15,000 (http://nztop40.co.nz/chart/singles?chart=1641)

Spain 20,000 (http://www.promusicae.org/files/listastonos/historial/TOP%2050%20CANCIONES%2011_26.pdf)

Sweden 120,000 (http://www.sverigetopplistan.se/index.html, To access certification, search (Sök) for "S&M Rihanna" and click the "Visa" button, in Swedish)

Switzerland 30,000 (http://swisscharts.com/awards.asp?year=2011)

Korea: 486,616 (with Britney Spears, 24th best selling single by foreign artist in 2011, see in the 2011 year end chart of GaonChart) + 116,783 (album version, 187th best selling single by foreign artist in 2011, see in the 2011 year end chart of GaonChart) + 107,251 (with Britney Spears, 177th best selling single by foreign artist in 2012, see in the 2012 year end chart of GaonChart) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Argo90 (talk • contribs) 18:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Rihanna
I think biggest hits like "Don't Stop the Music", "S&M", "Take A Bow", "Where Have You Been" and "Rude Boy", maybe should be in the list. Can someone please check the sales of the mentioned singles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.139.76.197 (talk) 18:10, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

I searched for Rihanna's singles' sales in recent weeks, but I have found that only S&M has sold more than 5 million copies (and I have already listed links to prove it). About the other singles you mentioned, I have found these worldwide sales by adding certified sales of many countries:

Don't Stop the Music, 4.4m

Take a Bow, 4.2m

Rude Boy, 4.1m

Where Have You Been, 2m

What's My Name, 4.4m

Other Rihanna's singles have lower sales, except for "Stay", but I have not still checked for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Argo90 (talk • contribs) 13:43, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 May 2013
I wanna dance with somebody should be included in best selling single with an outstanding sales of 8 million worldwide

112.198.79.36 (talk) 06:05, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The single has only sold 4.2 million copies worldwide, not to mention that it has less than 2 million in certifications.-- Mαuri ’96 “  everything and nothing always haunts me…  ” 17:32, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 June 2013
Please add the song It's Raining Men by The Weather Girls, according to it's Wikipedia Article, it has sold 6 million physical copies. Thanks. Please provide reliable sources if appropriate. All information in Wikipedia articles should be verifiable from reliable sources which are independent of the subject.

66.245.64.42 (talk) 22:34, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Please note that a Wikipedia article does not constitute a reliable source, especially if that Wikipedia article itself does not source what needs to be sourced here. I added a citation needed tag over there. If one is found, we can add it over here. So, ❌ for now. Jguy TalkDone 00:29, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Nelly Furtado
What about her songs "Promiscuous" and Say it Right? Both were nr. 1 and Promiscuous recived 3x Platinum in the Us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.7.158.108 (talk) 13:07, 17 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The 3× Platinum award was likely given in 2006 for 600,000 downloads (see here).
 * Even if you include ringtones "Promiscuous" only has 3.8 million in sales/certifications and "Say it Right" only has 1.5 million in certifications.-- Mαuri ’96 “  everything and nothing always haunts me…  ” 02:34, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Rihanna
Rihanna song Stay has sold Worldwide Charts : "Stay" - TOTAL : 5,687,000 points !... shouldn't it be added to the list?

Also, Gaga's Bad Romance has sold 11.2 Million WW to date — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.89.201.142 (talk) 21:26, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request for Katy Perry's "Firework"
As of July 11, 2013, it has been stated that Katy Perry's single "Firework" has sold over 11 million digital sales around the world. Should this be changed or not???
 * Link here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.75.78.33 (talk) 00:40, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

I Won't Give Up, Cruise, Just Give Me a Reason, Ho Hey, Scream & Shout and Locked Out of Heaven
Hi Mauri '96, I have new songs that have sold more than 5m copies. Jason Mraz "I Won't give UP": -	USA 3,681,414 (http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=105177) -	South Korea 1,452,256 (5th best selling song on 2012 International  Gaon Chart) -	UK 400,000=Gold (search in http://www.bpi.co.uk/certified-awards.aspx, look for Jason Mraz, the song  was certified on 22nd of July, 2013) -	Canada 240,000=3xPlatinum (http://www.musiccanada.com/GPSearchResult.aspx?st=I+Won%27t+Give+Up&sa=Jason+Mraz&smt=0) -	Australia 70,000=Platinum (http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.aupagesaria-charts-accreditations-singles-2013.htm) -	New Zealand 7,500=Gold (http://nztop40.co.nz/chart/singles?chart=2002) Total sales: 5,85m ( 5,851,170)

The next four songs could be easily among the top 10 selling songs in the next IFPI Worldwide Music Report, but I hope that at least some of these songs will not be there, otherwise this list would be aimless… Florida Georgia Line “Cruise”: -	USA 5,638,000 (http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/week-ending-aug-18-2013-songs-perry-trumps-190641949.html) -	Canada 160,000 (http://www.musiccanada.com/GPSearchResult.aspx?st=Cruise&sa=Florida+Georgia+Line&smt=0) Total sales: 5,8m

The Lumineers “Ho Hey”: -	USA 4,438,737 (http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=105177) -	UK 600,000=Platinum (http://www.bpi.co.uk/certified-awards.aspx, type “the lumineers” in keywords and search by artist) -	 Australia 210,000=3xPlatinum (http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.aupagesaria-charts-accreditations-singles-2013.htm) -	Canada 400,000=5xPlatinum (http://www.musiccanada.com/GPSearchResult.aspx?st=Ho+Hey&sa=The+Lumineers&smt=0) -	Denmark 15,000=Gold (http://www.ifpi.dk/?q=certificeringer&page=39) -	Germany 150,000=Gold (http://www.musikindustrie.de/no_cache/gold_platin_datenbank/#topSearch, search for “the Lumineers”) -	Italy 60,000=2xPlatinum (http://www.fimi.it/archivio_certificazioni.php, as I describe for Just give me a reason and scream and shout) -	New Zealand 30,000=2xPlatinum (http://nztop40.co.nz/chart/singles?chart=2202) -	Sweden 40,000=Platinum  (search in “Singellista” Vecka  [week] 35, 2013 [use foreg and nasta to go to theearlier or the next week]) in http://www.sverigetopplistan.se/index.html -	Switzerland 30,000=Platinum (http://www.swisscharts.com/search_certifications.asp?search=the+lumineers) Total sales: 5,97m  (5,973,737)

P!nk “Just Give Me A Reason”: -	USA 4,000,000 (http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/week-ending-aug-18-2013-songs-perry-trumps-190641949.html) -	UK 545,000 (http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/pink-and-nate-are-doing-a-moves-like-jagger-2214/) -	Australia 350,000=5xPlatinum (http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.aupagesaria-charts-accreditations-singles-2013.htm) -	Germany 300,000 (search for “just give me a reason” in http://www.musikindustrie.de/no_cache/gold_platin_datenbank/#topSearch) -	Austria 15,000=Gold (search or “just give me a reason” in http://www.ifpi.at/?section=goldplatin) -	Canada 40,000=Gold (http://www.musiccanada.com/GPSearchResult.aspx?st=Just%20Give%20Me%20a%20Reason&ica=False&sa=Pink&sl=&smt=0&sat=-1&ssb=Artist) -	Belgium 15,000=Gold (http://www.ultratop.be/nl/certifications.asp?year=2013) -	Denmark 60,000=2xPlatinum (http://www.ifpi.dk/?q=certificeringer&page=43) -	Italy 60,000=2xPaltinum (http://www.fimi.it/archivio_certificazioni.php, you have to choose “Online” in “Scegli la sezione” [=choose the category], then choose “--“ and “---“ in “Seleziona settimana e anno” [=choose week and year] and finally type “p!nk” in “Artista”) -	New Zealand 45,000=3xPlatinum (http://nztop40.co.nz/chart/singles?chart=2232) -	Sweden 120,000=3xPlatinum (search in “Singellista” Vecka (week)36, 2013 in http://www.sverigetopplistan.se/index.html) -	Switzerland 30,000=Platinum (http://www.swisscharts.com/search_certifications.asp?search=p!nk) Total sales: 5,58m.

Scream & Shout, by Will.I.Am ft. Britney Spears: -	USA 3,246,713 (http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=105177) -	Australia 420,000=6xPlatinum (http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.aupagesaria-charts-accreditations-singles-2013.htm) -	Austria 30,000=Platinum (http://www.ifpi.at/?section=goldplatin, search for “scream & shout”) -	Denmark 90,000=3xPlatinum (http://www.ifpi.dk/?q=certificeringer&page=42) -	Germany 600,000=2xPlatinum (http://www.musikindustrie.de/gold_platin_datenbank/?action=suche&strTitel=&strInterpret=will.i.am&strTtArt=alle&strAwards=checked) -	Italy 60,000=2xPlatinum (http://www.fimi.it/archivio_certificazioni.php, you have to choose “Online” in “Scegli la sezione” [=choose the category], then choose “--“ and “---“ in “Seleziona settimana e anno [=choose week and year] and finally type “will.i.am” in “Artista”) -	New Zealand 30,000=2xPlatinum (http://nztop40.co.nz/chart/singles?chart=2174) -	Sweden 120,000=3xPlatinum (search in “Singellista”, Vecka (week)34, 2013 in http://www.sverigetopplistan.se/index.html) -	Switzerland 60,000=2xPlatinum (http://www.swisscharts.com/search_certifications.asp?search=Will.i.am) -	UK 600,000=Platinum (http://www.bpi.co.uk/certified-awards.aspx, tupe “scream and shout” in Keywords and search by Artist) Total sales: 5,26m  (5,256,713)

Locked Out of Heaven, by Bruno Mars: -	USA 4,211,785 (http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=105177) -	UK 600,000=Platinum (http://www.bpi.co.uk/certified-awards.aspx, search for “bruno mars”) -	Australia 280,000=4xPlatinum (http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.aupagesaria-charts-accreditations-singles-2013.htm) -	Belgium 15,000=Gold (http://www.ultratop.be/nl/certifications.asp?year=2013) -	Canada 320,000=4xPlatinum (http://www.musiccanada.com/GPSearchResult.aspx?st=Locked+Out+of+Heaven&sa=Bruno+Mars&smt=0) -	Denmark 60,000=2xPlatinum (http://www.ifpi.dk/?q=certificeringer&page=38) -	Germany 150,000=Gold (http://www.musikindustrie.de/no_cache/gold_platin_datenbank/#topSearch, search for Bruno Mars) -	Italy 60,000=2xPlatinum  (http://www.fimi.it/archivio_certificazioni.php, as I explained above) -	Korea 135,728 (132nd best selling song on the International 2012 Gaon Chart) -	New Zealand 30,000=2xPlatinum (http://nztop40.co.nz/chart/singles?chart=2144) -	Sweden 80,000=2xPlatinum (search in “Singellista”, Vecka (week)24, 2013 in http://www.sverigetopplistan.se/index.html) -	Switzerland 30,000=Gold (http://www.swisscharts.com/search_certifications.asp?search=Bruno+Mars+Locked+Out+Of+Heaven) Total sales: 5,97  (5,972,513)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Argo90 (talk • contribs) 15:22, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 September 2013
Best selling single Whitney Houston I wanna dance with somebody(with somebody who loves) Sales: 8,000,000 My love is your Love Sales: 5,000,000

112.198.90.237 (talk) 06:56, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Please provide a source for any changes such as this and obtain WP:CONSENSUS prior to requesting the change ES  &#38;L  11:41, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

What happened to Mary's Boy Child?
Both Harry Belafonte's and Boney M's version of Mary's Boy Child used to be in the top 10 most sold singles. Have so many people returned their copies to the shops? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.85.219.173 (talk) 12:25, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 September 2013
112.198.79.213 (talk) 06:10, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

7–9.9 million copies
112.198.79.213 (talk) 06:10, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: "I Will Always Love You" was already in the table before you made the request. The other two songs appear not to be mentioned in the source you give. --Stfg (talk) 12:55, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

katy perry Roar
Katy's single Roar has sold over 4 mils in usa and 5,749,000 as of 9 november please update don't tell me give us sources u can do math — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.44.232.141 (talk) 13:56, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Radioactive, Can't Hold Us and Take A Bow
Also Radioactive and Can't Hold Us have both sold more than 5m copies, I will list the links later.

There is a song that has probably sold more than 5 million copies, but I have only 4,590,292 certified sales. It is Rihanna's Take A Bow:

USA single sales 2,000,000 (http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?content_selector=gold-platinum-searchable-database, look for "take a bow", it was certified 2xPlatinum on November 17, 2009)

USA mastertone sales 1,000,000 (http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?content_selector=gold-platinum-searchable-database, look for "take a bow", it was certified 2xPlatinum on December 11, 2008)

South Korea 1,065,742 (537,407 (18th best selling international single in 2010) + 322,520 (48th in 2011) + 205,815 (80th in 2012), http://www.gaonchart.co.kr/main/section/online/download/list.gaon)

UK 380,000 (http://www.mtv.co.uk/music/charts/official-uk-countdowns/rihanna-official-top-20)

Denmark 30,000 (http://www.ifpi.dk/?q=content/guld-og-platin-i-september-1)

New Zealand 7,500 (http://nztop40.co.nz/chart/singles?chart=1495)

Australia 70,000 (http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.aupageshttpwww.aria.com.aupagesARIACharts-Accreditations-2008Singles.htm)

France 37,050 (http://www.infodisc.fr/Ventes_Single08.php)

Total sales: 4,590,292

I am quite sure that digital singles sales in the USA are above 2,410,000, but I do not manage to find a document to prove it... Maybe someone else can do this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Argo90 (talk • contribs) 14:14, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Rihanna's Take A bow has sold over 2,855,000 in the USA https://twitter.com/chartnews/status/398541576936648704 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.139.120.225 (talk) 00:08, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

S&M
I think you should add S&M by Rihanna to the list.

USA 3,576,008 (http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=105177)

UK 643,000 (http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/the-top-20-biggest-selling-singles-of-2011-revealed/)

Australia 280,000 (http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.aupageshttpwww.aria.com.auSINGLEaccreds2011.htm)

Belgium 15,000 (http://www.ultratop.be/en/certifications.asp?year=2011)

Denmark 30,000 (http://ifpi.dk/?q=certificeringer&page=9)

Finland 5,073 (http://www.ifpi.fi/tilastot/artistit/Rihanna)

Germany 150,000 (http://www.musikindustrie.de/no_cache/gold_platin_datenbank/#topSearch, search for S&M)

New Zealand 15,000 (http://nztop40.co.nz/chart/singles?chart=1641)

Spain 20,000 (http://www.promusicae.org/files/listastonos/historial/TOP%2050%20CANCIONES%2011_26.pdf)

Sweden 120,000 (http://www.sverigetopplistan.se/index.html, To access certification, search (Sök) for "S&M Rihanna" and click the "Visa" button, in Swedish)

Switzerland 30,000 (http://swisscharts.com/awards.asp?year=2011)

Italy 30,000 (http://web.archive.org/web/20121025163408/http://www.fimi.it/temp/cert_GFK_download_492011.pdf)

Korea (2011) 116,783 (solo, album version)(2011) + 486,616 (Remix) (http://gaonchart.co.kr/digital_chart/download.php?nationGbn=E&current_year=2011&chart_Time=year)

Korea (2012) 107,251 (remix) (http://gaonchart.co.kr/digital_chart/download.php?nationGbn=E&current_year=2012&chart_Time=year)

France 125,500 (http://www.infodisc.fr/Ventes_Single11.php)

Total: 5,666,584 --24.139.120.225 (talk) 00:38, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Britney Spears
Womanizer sold 6.5 million copies world wide... oops! I did it again and me against the music (ft. Madonna) sold over 5 million copies too — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.70.241 (talk) 10:06, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

katy perry Roar
'''Katy Perry's 'Roar' rises one slot at no.2 after a 5% points decline to 342.000. The track debuts also on the ALL TIME CHART at no.316 with a total of 6.091.000 points.'''

http://www.unitedworldchart.de/

and look to number 316

http://www.mediatraffic.de/alltime-track-chart.htm 77.44.232.141 (talk) 13:18, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Mediatraffic.de is not a reliable source, and the United World Chart takes its figures from Mediatraffic.de, therefore is also unreliable. Adabow (talk) 19:48, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

every source I gave you you say noooooooooooooooooooooooooo do the math Roar sold around 350k every week for over 10 weeks you wiki aaaagh

77.44.232.141 (talk) 12:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * You're right; "Roar" has sold 3.6 million. That's not the 5 million needed to appear on this list though. Even if the United World Chart were reliable, it only gives points, not total sales, so I don't know how it could help. Adabow (talk) 19:06, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done: Added the song to the list. There are other countries in the world where this song was released and sold. Just check its certifications.
 * Also, I can assure you, it didn't sell 350k for 10 consecutive weeks (at least not in an individual country). "Royals" topped the US Top Digital Songs at least four times after "Roar" was released.
 * If you're referring to mediatraffic points, they are based on sales and AIRPLAY. Also, the methodology used is unclear, unexplained and therefore unverifiable. It also listed as a "website to avoid" on WP:CHARTS right here. -- Mαuri ’96 “  everything and nothing always haunts me…  ” 03:38, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

katy perry ties Rihanna
Katy Perry's Roar is her 7th entry so she ties Rihanna please update thanks 77.44.232.141 (talk) 22:02, 22 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done -- Mαuri ’96 “  everything and nothing always haunts me…  ” 04:41, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Roar sales WW
http://www.mediatraffic.de/alltime-track-chart.htm

Roar look at number 231

sold 6,953,000 units

77.44.232.141 (talk) 22:19, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Again, Mediatraffic.de is not a reliable source. Adabow (talk) 07:17, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

"Radioactive" by Imagine Dragons
USA 5,000,000 (http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/week-ending-aug-25-2013-songs-robin-marvin-191212316.html)

Australia 210,000 (http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.aupagesaria-charts-accreditations-singles-2013.htm)

Austria 15,000 (http://www.ifpi.at/?section=goldplatin)

Canada 240,000 (http://www.musiccanada.com/GPSearchResult.aspx?st=Radioactive&sa=Imagine+Dragons&smt=0)

Denmark 90,000 (http://www.ifpi.dk/index.php?pk_menu=13)

Garmany 300,000 (http://www.musikindustrie.de/gold_platin_datenbank/?action=suche&strTitel=Radioactive&strInterpret=Imagine+Dragons&strTtArt=single&strAwards=checked)

New Zealand 60,000 (http://nztop40.co.nz/chart/singles?chart=2206)

Norway 50,000 (http://www.ifpi.no/component/rstrophybridge/)

Sweden 120,000 (http://www.ifpi.se/wp-content/uploads/)

Switzerland 30,000 (http://www.swisscharts.com/search_certifications.asp?search=Imagine+Dragons+Radioactive)

UK 400,000 (http://www.bpi.co.uk/certified-awards.aspx)

Total: 6,515,000

"S&M" by Rihanna
USA 3,576,008 (http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=105177)

UK 643,000 (http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/the-top-20-biggest-selling-singles-of-2011-revealed/)

Australia 280,000 (http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.aupageshttpwww.aria.com.auSINGLEaccreds2011.htm)

Belgium 30,000 (http://www.ultratop.be/nl/certifications.asp?year=2013)

Denmark 30,000 (http://ifpi.dk/?q=certificeringer&page=9)

Finland 5,073 (http://www.ifpi.fi/tilastot/artistit/Rihanna)

Germany 150,000 (http://www.musikindustrie.de/no_cache/gold_platin_datenbank/#topSearch, search for S&M)

New Zealand 15,000 (http://nztop40.co.nz/chart/singles?chart=1641)

Spain 20,000 (http://www.promusicae.org/files/listastonos/historial/TOP%2050%20CANCIONES%2011_26.pdf)

Sweden 120,000 (http://www.sverigetopplistan.se/index.html, To access certification, search (Sök) for "S&M Rihanna" and click the "Visa" button, in Swedish)

Switzerland 30,000 (http://swisscharts.com/awards.asp?year=2011)

Italy 30,000 (http://web.archive.org/web/20121025163408/http://www.fimi.it/temp/cert_GFK_download_492011.pdf)

Korea (2011) 116,783 (solo, album version)(2011) + 486,616 (Remix) (187th & 24th, http://gaonchart.co.kr/digital_chart/download.php?nationGbn=E&current_year=2011&chart_Time=year)

Korea (2012) 107,251 (remix) (177th, http://gaonchart.co.kr/digital_chart/download.php?nationGbn=E&current_year=2012&chart_Time=year)

France 125,500 (http://www.infodisc.fr/Ventes_Single11.php)

Total: 5,681,584

"Take A Bow" by Rihanna
USA single sales 2,855,000 (https://twitter.com/chartnews/status/398541576936648704)

USA mastertone sales 1,000,000 (http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?content_selector=gold-platinum-searchable-database, look for "take a bow", it was certified 2xPlatinum on December 11, 2008)

South Korea 1,065,742 (537,407 (18th best selling international single in 2010, http://gaonchart.co.kr/digital_chart/download.php?nationGbn=E&current_year=2010&chart_Time=year) + 322,520 (48th in 2011, http://gaonchart.co.kr/digital_chart/download.php?nationGbn=E&current_year=2011&chart_Time=year) + 205,815 (80th in 2012, http://gaonchart.co.kr/digital_chart/download.php?nationGbn=E&current_year=2012&chart_Time=year)

UK 400,000 (http://www.bpi.co.uk/certified-awards.aspx)

Denmark 30,000 (http://www.ifpi.dk/?q=content/guld-og-platin-i-september-1)

New Zealand 7,500 (http://nztop40.co.nz/chart/singles?chart=1495)

Australia 70,000 (http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.aupageshttpwww.aria.com.aupagesARIACharts-Accreditations-2008Singles.htm)

France 37,050 (http://www.infodisc.fr/Ventes_Single08.php)

Total sales: 5,465,292

"Can't Hold Us" by Macklemore & Ryan Lewis Ft. Ray Dalton
USA 4,016,000 (http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/week-ending-oct-20-2013-songs-women-charge-203158409.html)

UK 600,000 (http://www.bpi.co.uk/certified-awards.aspx)

Germany 450,000 (http://www.musikindustrie.de/gold_platin_datenbank/?action=suche&strTitel=Can%C2%B4t+hold+us&strInterpret=Macklemore+%26+Ryan+Lewis&strTtArt=single&strAwards=checked)

Australia 280,000 (http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.aupagesaria-charts-accreditations-singles-2013.htm)

Belgium 30,000 (http://www.ultratop.be/nl/certifications.asp?year=2013)

Canada 320,000 (http://www.musiccanada.com/GPSearchResult.aspx?st=Can%27t+Hold+Us&sa=Macklemore+%26+Ryan+Lewis&smt=0)

Denkmark 60,000 (http://www.ifpi.dk/?q=content/macklemore-ryan-lewis-feat-ray-dalton-can%C2%B4t-hold-us)

Italy 30,000 (http://www.fimi.it/archivio_certificazioni.php)

New Zealand 15,000 (http://nztop40.co.nz/chart/singles?chart=2181)

Sweden 80,000 (http://www.hitlistan.se/netdata/ghl002.mbr/lista?liid=41&dfom=20130612)

Switzerland 30,000 (http://www.swisscharts.com/search_certifications.asp?search=Macklemore+%26+Ryan+Lewis+feat.+Ray+Dalton+Can%27t+Hold+Us)

Total sales: 5,911,000

"Scream & Shout" by Will.i.am Ft. Britney Spears
USA 3,206,647 (http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/week-ending-may-12-2013-songs-letdown-205153774.html)

UK 600,000 (http://www.bpi.co.uk/certified-awards.aspx)

Switzerland 60,000 (http://www.swisscharts.com/search_certifications.asp?search=will.i.am+%26+Britney+Spears+Scream+%26+Shout)

Sweden 120,000(http://www.hitlistan.se/)

New Zealand 30,000 (http://nztop40.co.nz/chart/singles?chart=2123)

Italy 60,000 (http://www.webcitation.org/6E01qr1JH)

Germany 600,000 (http://www.musikindustrie.de/gold_platin_datenbank/?action=suche&strTitel=&strInterpret=will.i.am&strTtArt=alle&strAwards=checked)

Denmark 90,000 (http://www.ifpi.dk/?q=certificeringer&page=42)

Belgium 30,000 (http://www.ultratop.be/nl/certifications.asp?year=2013)

Austria 30,000 (http://www.ifpi.at/?section=goldplatin)

Australia 420,000 (http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.aupagesaria-charts-accreditations-singles-2013.htm)

Total sales: 5,246,647 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.139.120.225 (talk) 01:47, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Update: "We Found Love" By Rihanna Ft. Calvin Harris
USA 5,057,149 (http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=105177)

UK 1,300,000 (http://www.officialcharts.com/features/official-charts-flashback-2008-rihannas-take-a-bow-2252/)

Australia 420,000 (http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.aupagesaria-charts-accreditations-singles-2013.htm)

France 207,000: 62,000 (2012:http://www.infodisc.fr/Ventes_Single12.php), 145,000 (2011:http://www.infodisc.fr/Ventes_Single11.php)

Switzerland 60,000 (http://hitparade.ch/weekchart.asp?cat=s)

Sweden 240,000 (http://www.hitlistan.se/)

Spain 40,000 (http://www.elportaldemusica.es/cancion-3994-7545-rihanna-feat-calvin-harris-we-found-love-feat-calvin-harris)

New Zealand 45,000 (http://nztop40.co.nz/chart/?chart=1862)

Mexico 240,000 (http://www.webcitation.org/query?id=1340378319584040&date=%400&fromform=1)

Germany 150,000 (http://www.musikindustrie.de/gold_platin_datenbank/?action=suche&strTitel=&strInterpret=Rihanna&strTtArt=alle&strAwards=checked)

Denmark 40,000 (http://www.ifpi.dk/?q=certificeringer&page=36)

Belgium 30,000 (http://www.ultratop.be/nl/certifications.asp?year=2012)

Korea 726,836, 594,556 (2011:http://gaonchart.co.kr/digital_chart/download.php?nationGbn=E&current_year=2011&chart_Time=year), 132,280 (2012:http://gaonchart.co.kr/digital_chart/download.php?nationGbn=E&current_year=2012&chart_Time=year)

Total sales: 8,555,985

Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2013
lady gaga songs

Sales according to Billboard 125 millions singles worlwide

Aproximate:

JUST DANCE

2008(AGO 2009 +500.000 COPIES)-2009(7.7 IFPI)(OVER 4.2 MILLION UNITED STATES)= 8.3+ 2.6(US ACTUALITY)= 10.9+ WORLWIDE (APROXIMATE 1,OOO,00O)= 11.9 - 12 MILLIONS WORLDWIDE

POKER FACE

2008(AGO 2009 +800.000 COPIES)-2009(9.8 IFPI)(OVER 4.0 MILLION UNITED STATES)= 10.6+ 3(US ACTUALITY)= 13.6+ WORLWIDE (APROXIMATE 1,5OO,00O)= 15.1-16 MILLIONS WORLDWIDE

BAD ROMANCE

2009(AGO 2009 +900.000 COPIES)-2010(9.7 IFPI)(OVER 3.8 MILLION UNITED STATES)= 10.6+ 1.6(US ACTUALITY)= 12.2+ WORLWIDE (APROXIMATE 1,000,00O)= 13.2-14 MILLIONS WORLDWIDE

THE EDGE OF GLORY

2011 APROXIMATE 4.3 MILLONS + 3= 4.6(US ACTUALITY)+ WORLWIDE (APROXIMATE 4OO,00O)= 5 MILLIONS WORLDWIDE

TRADUCED PLEASE THIS:

LADY GAGA HA VENDIDO APRIXIMADAMENTE MAS DE 90 MILLONES DE SENCILLOS SEGUN THE FACTOR UK Y SEGUN BILLBORD 125 MILLONES ENTONCES SI CALCULAMOS SUS VENTAS SON ESTAS:

POKER FACE MAS DE 15 MILLONES JUST DANCE MAS DE 12 MILLONES LOVEGAME DE 4 A 5 MILLONES PAPARAZZI DE 5 A 6 MILLONES BAD ROMANCE DE 13 A 14 MILLONES TELEPHONE DE 8.5 A 9.5 MILLONES ALEJANDRO DE 5 A 6 MILLONES BORN T W DE 9.5 A 10.5 MILLONES JUDAS MAS DE 2 MILLONES THE EGDE DE 5 A 6 MILLONES YOU AND I DE 3.5 A 4.5 MILLONES MARRY MAS DE 1 MILLON APPALUSE MAS DE 3.5 OTROS 5 MILLONES

TODO ESTO LOGICAMENTE APENAS SI ALCANZA LA CIFRA DE THE X FACTOR UK. PERO SI CONSIDERAMOS LA FUENTE DE BILLBORAD LAS CIFRAS AUMENTARAN MUCHO. ASI QUE RECOMIENDO Y EXIJO QUE SUBAN LAS VENTAS DE LAS CANCIONES EXISTENTES EN LA LISTA Y AÑADIR ALEJANDRO, PAPARAZZI, Y THE EDGE OF GLORY, Y QUIZA LOVEGAME.

TODO ES LOGICA NUMERICA. AL REALIZAR MATEMATICAS SE DARA CUENTA DE QUE LAS APROXIMACIONES EN VENTAS ESTAN MUY POE DEBAJO DE LO QUE DEBERIAN. FUENTE http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/5785653/lady-gaga-teams-with-vevo-clear-channel-for-live-streamed-artpop-events

Grammy World (talk) 19:31, 12 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Grammy World, please read the edit request instructions, "Please change X" is not acceptable and will be rejected; the request must be of the form "please change X to Y" Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 13:24, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Wake Me Up and Get Lucky
And… Other two songs you could add, Get Lucky and Wake Me Up.

1)	Get Lucky (don’t worry, no Mediatraffic surces…), total sales 5,55m (5,555,485):

USA 2,896,000 (http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/music-news/chart-watch-lorde-other-top-teens-013711041.html)

Australia 350,000 (http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.aupagesaria-charts-accreditations-singles-2013.htm)

UK 1,240,000 (http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/the-official-top-40-biggest-selling-singles-of-2013-so-far-2523/)

Austria 15,000 (http://www.ifpi.at/?section=goldplatin you only need to look for “daft punk”)

Belgium 30,000 (http://www.ultratop.be/nl/certifications.asp?year=2013 )

Denmark 120,000 (http://www.ifpi.dk/?q=certificeringer&page=47)

Germany 450,000 (http://www.musikindustrie.de/no_cache/gold_platin_datenbank/#topSearch look for Daft Punk)

Italy 60,000 (http://www.fimi.it/archivio_certificazioni.php) I think I have already explained hot to search italian certifications, but I’ll explain another time: select “Online” in “Scegli la sezione”, select “—“ in both the boxes next to “Seleziona settimana e anno” (wich means “select week and year”; if you select “—“, you search in the whole archive) and then in “Artista” goes obviously the name of the artist.

Mexico 80,000 (http://www.lachicuela.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13203:daft-punk-hoy-logra-disco-de-platino-en-mexico-su-sencillo-es-la-cancion-del-momento&catid=132:el-chal-de-la-chicuela&Itemid=465)

New Zealand 30,000 (http://nztop40.co.nz/?chart=2269 )

Norway 20,000 (http://www.ifpi.no/component/rstrophybridge/  write “Daft Punk” in “Søk” and press “Søk”)

South Korea 164,485: I’ve looked in Gaon Chart for their monthly sales, you can trust me or maybe wair for the year end chart. April 19,011 (radio edit); May 45,162 (radio edit); June 23,307 (album version) 18,357 (radio edit); July 14,485 (album version) 8,429 (radio edit); August 11,763 (album version) 4,509 (radio edit); September 10,300 (album version); October 9,162 (album version)

Spain 20,000 (http://www.elportaldemusica.es/historico.php) Select “46” in “Semana” and then write “Daft Punk” in “Nombre”; they are currently number 35 in Top 50 Canciones and have been certified Gold.

Sweden 80,000 (http://www.sverigetopplistan.se/ in “Navigering” select “Singellista”, they are currently number 52 and certified 2xP)

2)	Avicii’s “Wake Me Up” sales: 5,33m (5,326,000) All the sources listed in Wikipedia are correct, but:

Belgium 30,000 (http://www.ultratop.be/nl/certifications.asp?year=2013)

Denmark 120,000 (http://www.ifpi.dk/?q=certificeringer&page=49)

Germany, the link does not work, search just for “Avicii”

Spain 20,000 (http://www.elportaldemusica.es/canciones.php)

Switzerland 90,000 (http://swisscharts.com/search_certifications.asp?search=Avicii

UK 1,000,000 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/24425208) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Argo90 (talk • contribs) 20:22, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Why separate the lists?
I move we combine the physical and digital sales numbers. I've read the explanation given for why they're separated, but I don't see the relevance of it. Who cares whether they're digital or physical sales? Who, googling onto bestselling singles of all time, wants to exclude one or the other? It seems no more relevant to me than listing whether they were purchased on vinyl or cassette tape. Any thought?--Mrcolj (talk) 13:13, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Where are the Madonna singles?? Hung Up, Like a prayer, Music Give it to me, Take a bow!--Hardenheart (talk) 14:50, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 December 2013
[Copy of the entire article removed]

112.198.79.172 (talk) 07:07, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Edit requests usually entail asking for specific changes to be made to an article, not copying the entire (changed) article onto the talk page. At any rate, you copied it nearly a month ago, and the article has been edited numerous times since then; I can't discern what exactly you wanted changed. It appears that others have submitted similar requests below, but if not, please submit a new one. Thanks,  Little Mountain  5  04:05, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2014
I found out some changes in few singles that are sold more to date, for example "I will always love You" after Houston death to this day is sold 20 million copies. than on Your site/song page

Heldenbariton88 (talk) 20:46, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I Will Always Love You has now sold more than 20 million copies, it should be updated from 15 to 20 ( This is one of the sources i found http://www.buzzfeed.com/briangalindo/11-fascinating-facts-about-the-song-i-will-always-love-you ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.193.121 (talk) 00:41, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done -- Mdann 52   talk to me!  14:44, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

5–6.9 million copies

 * Shakira || "Underneath your Clothes" || 2006 || Latin Pop || 5 ||
 * }
 * Shakira || "Waka Waka (This Time for Africa" || 2010 || Latin Pop || 6 ||


 * Cyndi lauper || "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun" || 1984 || Pop/Rock || 6.9 ||

112.198.90.110 (talk) 13:52, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. I prefer the physical link rather than a ref name... 14:45, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 January 2014
The Wikipedia entry "List of best-selling singles" says that the name 'Beyonce' appears five times in the list when it does not. It appears four times - for (1) Telephone, (2) Halo, (3) Irreplaceable, and (4) Single Ladies. The list does not include Beyonce's hit single 'Crazy in Love' which, according to this [see source 1] article, has sold more than 5 million copies.

source 1: http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/yradish/biggest-selling-singles-since-the-year-2000.html

I am requesting for a correction, that the list be edited, and include Beyonce's 2003 hit single 'Crazy in Love'.

Pprp12 (talk) 11:41, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: I don't see what the inclusion criteria for what justifies the inclusion. Second it lists only over 5 million sales.  We need to get a more reliable number to know what category to put the song in. Hasteur (talk) 19:48, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2014
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/12/08/how-avicii-is-turning-edm-into-a-global-marketing.aspx?source=isesitlnk0000001&mrr=1.00 mentions avicii's wake me up selling 5 million copies worldwide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.93.1.16 (talk) 14:21, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: The relisable source only mentions 5 million copies, but not in the context of a single song, so I'm disinclined to accept this. Please feel free to present a different reliable source that does agree with the claim for a single that does cross the sales threshold. Hasteur (talk) 19:50, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

5–6.9 million copies
112.198.79.187 (talk) 16:18, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2014

 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 18:06, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Need Advice
For the editor who handle this list, need your advice for the following source and claim, is it RELIABLE to be use on the list?

I Will Always Love You (20 million/http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/our-country/40-years-ago-this-week--dolly-parton-bids-adieu-to-porter-wagoner--writes--i-will-always-love-you-175857744.html)

I Wanna Hold Your Hand (15 million/http://www.albanyherald.com/news/2013/dec/28/barry-levine-british-invasion-changes-rock/)

It's now or Never (20 million/http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/06/arts/music/06schroeder.html?_r=0)

Everything I Do (I Do it For You) (15 million/http://www.nytimes.com/1994/03/08/arts/review-pop-bryan-adams-more-mr-nice-guy.html)

Please, answer this. thank you Politsi (talk) 05:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

new sources
the ifpi source is already here. think its a helpful one - http://ifpi.org/downloads/Digital-Music-Report-2014.pdf and http://www.ifpi.org/news/music-subscription-revenues-help-drive-growth-in-most-major-markets.

top 10 tracks: Robin Thicke ft. T.I. and Pharrell - Blurred Lines - 14.8 M Macklemore & Ryan Lewis ft. Wanz - Thrift Shop - 13.4 Avicii - Wake Me Up - 11.1 P!nk feat. Nate Ruess - Just Give Me a Reason - 9.9 Katy Perry - Roar - 9.9 Daft Punk ft. Pharrell Williams and Nile Rodgers - Get Lucky - 9.3 Imagine Dragons - Radioactive - 8.6 Bruno Mars - When I Was Your Man - 8.3 will.i.am ft. Britney Spears -Scream & Shout - 8.1 Rihanna - Stay - 7.9

the first source also mentions that avicii's levels sold more than 5 copies ww (http://ifpi.org/downloads/Digital-Music-Report-2014.pdf; page 25).

also, after checking, several hits have already sold more than 5 m copies based on combined sales, but are not yet on the list. they include: onerepublics' counting stars; awolnation's sail; philip phillips' home; passengers' let her go; bruno mars' locked out of heaven; and pink's raise your glass. i based their sales based on what's published on their individual wikipedia articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.208.124.83 (talk) 13:29, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

sales records
i just wonder how come several songs have sales listed on the table then when you look at the sources it mentions different sales record. also why do some songs with neither definitive nor inclusive sales doesnt have their updated sales records posted.

also, just to ask, are we suppose to add mastertone sales, south korean retail sales and streaming records on file??? do we classify them as sales??? i think there should first be a consensus whether to add them or not as these records seem to be "questionable". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.208.111.40 (talk) 12:27, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Italicization
Can somebody please explain it to me why some of singles e.g "Baby", "Party in the U.S.A." and "Royals"?--85.167.232.112 (talk) 20:53, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

error
help, fix, "I wanna hold your hand" appears twice on the list. thx. DavidMack (talk) 01:39, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

ringtones and chinese tracks
should we really count ringtones??? several chinese and kpop tracks sold more than 15 million units worldwide which is highly unbelievable since tracks like i gotta feeling took more than 3 years to sell 15 million copies. their sources seem unreliable as they look like forums rather than blogsites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.208.122.155 (talk) 06:50, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

also, why do the genres of certain tracks were changed??? the genres that are supposed to be listed here are their genres based on their sound, not based on what radio station will play them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.208.122.155 (talk) 06:56, 6 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The list already counts ringtones in the sales of "Low", "Lollipop", "Irreplaceable" and other songs.
 * The second link cited for the Mandopop songs is indeed a forum source, but we are not citing that precise website, but its translation of the previous link, which is a press release/article written entirely in Chinese and which lists the same sales figures as the translated version.
 * If an argument is presented as to why we shouldn't include ringbacks (a likely source of the Mandopop singles' massive sales) when the list already counts ringtones, and it reaches consensus, they shall be removed.


 * Concerning changes in song genres, I personally have only changed the genre of "Hips Don't Lie", as I believe it does not have enough of a brass section or enough of a "tropical" sound in its instrumentation to really be considered salsa music. I confused the song with "La Tortura". -- Mαuri ’96 “  everything and nothing always haunts me…  ” 15:56, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

DANCING QUEEN - ABBA
This is ABBA's biggest selling Single. Yet you do not have it Listed. You do List 'Waterloo' & 'Fernando', which it outsold. Towards the close of 1976 'Dancing Queen' was on over 3 Million Sales. But, in 1977 it went on to sell around 1,500,000 in the USA - reaching No.1 there in April 1977. It also sold several 100,000 in Canada, in 1977. As well as still being in many European Charts, well into 1977. It sold around 5,500,000 in the 1970's. Then around 500,000 as a Re-Issue in 1992. And in more recent Years it has sold at least 1 Million as a Download. That's ABBA - Dancing Queen (USA Downloads) 597,000 (Reported in Billboard on 23/01/2009), 100,000+ in the UK, & 100,000+ in Japan. As you can see, its Downloads from just 3 Countries are over 800,000. It means that they must be well over a Million Globally, as ABBA are popular, (still), in many Countries - Germany, Sweden, Australia, Canada etc, etc. This means that 'Dancing Queen' must have a minimum of 7 Million Global Sales by now. Making it ABBA's biggest Global Hit, & making it an error that it is not in your List. 17:26, 2 November 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.1.230.196 (talk)

update
please update the sales of let her go by passenger, counting stars by onerepublic, empire state of mind by jay z and alicia keys, all of me by john legend, and yeah! by usher! they all add up to 5+ million sales each! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshay.16 (talk • contribs) 07:07, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Sales and Streaming
I see that streamed songs are in some cases already counted as part of the total sales (for example all the singles in the last ifpi report, "dark horse" and "we are never ever getting back together"). I do not like a lot the idea of considering streaming, but I also think that we have no choice, since the ifpi, the riaa and the bpi already use them. Adding streaming data would also mean that other songs would have sold more than 5m copies and that others would have higher total sales (just three examples: "party in the usa" has been certified 7 times platinum by the riaa, "bad romance" diamond and "super bass" 8 times platinum).

Can we use them? Should we use them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Argo90 (talk • contribs) 08:36, 3 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Personally, I would prefer to keep them separate whenever possible and not include streaming unless inevitable (IFPI reports).
 * I'll point out, though, that Spain and Denmark both certify streaming separately from single sales. If we wanted to add streams for those particular countries, we'd have to work out a conversion factor.-- Mαuri ’96 “  everything and nothing always haunts me…  ” 21:15, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

DANCING QUEEN - ABBA
The List is flawed in that it does not include ABBA's Best Selling Single - 'Dancing Queen'. That sold over 6 Million physical copies, without even taking into account over 100,000 Digital Sales in the UK, & over 600,000 in the USA, as well as its Digital Sales elsewhere. There is a mistaken view that 'Dancing Queen' sold 3 Million copies Globally. This is because Joseph Murrells said so in a September 1984 Million Sellers Book. He was going by what Polar Music said towards the end of 1976. That it was on 3 Million Sales to that point. But, it was still in many of the World's Charts well into 1977, & those Sales have to be added in. As well as the fact that it did not become a USA & Canadian No.1 until well into 1977. It sold well over a Million in the USA alone in 1977, & those Sales have to be added in. It also sold around 300,000 Globally, (on CD), as a Re-Issue in 1992, & those Sales have to be added in. Hence why it sold far more than the 3 Million that it had towards the end of 1976. It is widely said to be ABBA's biggest Global Hit, & any Global Best Selling Singles List that fails to include it is seriously flawed. Especially when it credits 'Yes Sir I Can Boogie', by Baccara, with 16 Million Sales. That 1977 Single had sold 3 Million in Europe, when it became a UK No.1. It sold around 700,000 in the UK, & it can't possibly have sold more than 5 to 5.5 Million Globally, as can be seen by its subsequent Charts positions outside of the UK & Europe. It was not even a Hit in the USA or Canada. There is no way that it sold 16 Million Globally. It would have had to sell about 10 Million in the USA to manage that! But, it carries on being said to have sold 16 Million Globally. And 'Dancing Queen' is not even Listed. I'd really like to donate to Wikipedia, but I cannot do so, when I see nonsense in so many of its Lists. I cannot support flawed reasoning. It only encourages those who make the mistakes to carry on making them. 82.6.134.233 (talk) 18:41, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

(in)appropriateness of mentioning the most-listed artists on this list
I thought I'd describe more fully why I believe it's very inappropriate to include the run-down, currently in the second paragraph of the article, of the most-listed artists on this particular list of singles that have sold 5 million or more.

First, examples of similar lists of achievements that I believe are wholly appropriate for Wikipedia can be found at list of Billboard Hot 100 chart achievements and milestones. On the surface, the difference between a list from that page (such as the list of artists with the most top 10 singles on the Billboard Hot 100) and the paragraph in question from this article might seem slight or nonexistent, as they simply list artists who have achieved a certain feat (a top 10 Hot 100 single, a 5-million-selling single) multiple times with the number of times that they've achieved it. But there are important distinctions that, I would argue, make the former (Hot 100) list useful and the latter (this article's second paragraph) virtually useless and highly misleading.

When Billboard decides to answer the question "Which ten artists have had the most Hot 100 top ten hits?" so they can publish the answer in a Year-End feature or Chart Beat column, they have all the raw data at their disposal to answer the question: namely, every Hot 100 chart that they have ever published. Even more importantly, they systematically comb through ALL of that data to arrive at their answer. This ensures that the list that comes out of this inquiry is complete, true, and free of bias.

The method by which the information in this article is compiled is not systematic in this manner. It is compiled, gradually and very slowly, by a plethora of editors all of whom who have radically different interests in artists and songs and almost none of whom are primarily interested in fully investigating the question of which artists have the most 5-million-selling singles. The process, of finding citations for sales figures as they become available and adding them up with putative sales/shipment figures based on certifications, is far from systematic. Worse still, no one editing this article (or perhaps at all) has access to all the data (sales figures especially) that would make this list of most artists with 5-million-selling singles meaningful. There simply is no way to collect reliable sales information for all highly successful singles; SoundScan, Official Charts Company, and IFPI sales figures are only released sporadically for a small subset of successful songs, and songs frequently go un- or under-certified. This is why the article CORRECTLY states that the list is incomplete and may forever remain incomplete. What the article does provide, therefore, is a good repository of sales information proving that some subset of singles having sold 5 million or more has indeed sold that much. That's it. It's not comprehensive, and, short of IFPI or Nielsen or Billboard doing a comprehensive review of their own, it never will be. The second paragraph's list of "artists with the most singles (including featured credits) on this list", therefore, is rather meaningless, as this list is not noteworthy in itself; it represents an admittedly dramatically (perhaps inevitably) incomplete subset of all the singles that have sold 5 million or more. Among other things, the list will therefore naturally be biased in favor of those artists with the most Wikipedians interested in updating their sales figures on Wikipedia and those who most often have their sales figures noted by Billboard and other trade sources.

Put another way: a list of artists with the most top ten Hot 100 hits compiled in a piecemeal, non-systematic way by a plethora of Wikipedians slowly synthesizing a small subset of all the relevant Hot 100 charts would likely be fraught with significant error; the list that would result from such a process would be very unlikely to perfectly match the true list. Fortunately, though, the list on the Hot 100 achievements article is sourced by Billboard's answer to the question, which was determined by a systematic approach. No analogous sources or inquiries yet exist answering the question of which artists have the most 5-million-selling singles, especially in the digital age.

I hope that is enough to explain it. If, however, the other editors here remain unconvinced and would wish to leave that paragraph up, I hope I will at least convince you to rewrite it a bit. Right now it is filled with run-ons and awkward phrasing, as if no more than a few words were written per edit. Mmrsofgreen (talk) 06:13, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

New Sources
Found new sources for sales:

http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corporate/us/en/public%20factsheets/Soundscan/year-end-2014-music-report.pdf

and

http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/Investing_In_Music.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshay.16 (talk • contribs) 06:10, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Dispute regarding List of best-selling singles and the term "best-selling singles of all-time"
A user is disputing the use of the term "one of the best-selling singles of all-time" on Talk:Meghan Trainor, a term used widely among GA-class song articles as well, such as Poker Face (Lady Gaga song), ...Baby One More Time, Bad Romance, Just the Way You Are (Bruno Mars song), Waka Waka (This Time For Africa) among many others. The user feels that it is WP:OR and WP:PEACOCK to use the term without a source that directly refers to the song as "one of the best-selling singles of all-time" irregardless of if it features on the List of best-selling singles or not. Comments will be appreciated at Talk:Meghan Trainor. - Lips '' are movin 21:17, 16 January 2015 (UTC)


 * The editor he's referring to is me. Lips and another editor, User:MaranoFan insist on keeping the phrase "one of the best selling singles of all time" in articles relating to Meghan Trainor and the song All About That Bass.  The phrase is used by no reliable source that I can find.  Using it solely because the song has done well and is on a list somewhere does not make it officially one of the best selling singles of all time.  Using the phrase without a supporting source is original research, synthesis, and borders on peacock language. -- WV ● ✉ ✓  22:30, 16 January 2015 (UTC)


 * After writing the above, it occurred to me that the comments left by Lips would be considered canvassing, as well as my response above. I am striking my comments. -- WV ● ✉ ✓  22:37, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Please familiarize yourself with WP:CANVASS before throwing accusations and warnings around. I removed the section because your responses are clearly attention-seeking, disruptive and a platform for drama. Your editing is currently being discussed at WP:ANI - please feel free to discuss your personal issues there and not on article talk pages that have nothing to do with it. - Lips '' are movin 05:56, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I made an unintentional error in removing your new comments here, Lips, and for that I apologize. Regardless, you cannot intentionally remove talk page comments.  And canvass does apply in this situation - even if loosely.  There is an article talk page discussion where consensus is the goal and you came here and the other talk page to get others to support your side of the discussion.  Isn't supposed to be done.  Further, your personal attacks need to stop.  As other editors have been telling you for days now, talk about edits, not editors.  -- WV ● ✉ ✓  07:06, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Like I said, if you have personal issues, consult the WP:ANI instead of throwing warnings and accusations around, and disrupting editing across several articles and talk pages. Your 14 reverts in the last 24 hours speak for themself. Thank you. - Lips '' are movin 07:17, 17 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Like I said, stop talking about editors and start talking about edits. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 07:19, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The issue in all these disputes you are involved in is you, yourself as an editor, you remain ignorant and edit war to any discussion regarding editing, not only on Meghan Trainor articles but several others as well hence why you as an editor have been reported by a number of users on WP:ANI. Time to stop contradicting and abusing Wikipedia policies and playing the victim. - Lips '' are movin 07:24, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Volare
Only english songs :-( Impossible! Example: The combined sales of all the versions of the song "Volare" ("Nel blu dipinto di blu") exceed 22 million copies worldwide. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volare_%28song%29. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.19.127.38 (talk) 16:43, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

I agree. There are many Italian song that in their multiple versions have sold millions and millions of records, like Io che non vivo (senza te) (80 million!!!),La Bambola (40 million!!), Nel blu dipinto di blu (volare) (22 million), O sole mio, Grande grande grande, Parole parole, Il cielo in una stanza, Se telefonando, Azzurro, L'italiano, Caruso, Felicità, Gloria, Ti amo, Piove (cio ciao bambina) , just to name a few...This page is very pro- americana..e certifications in Italy did not exist--8Sirlo6 (talk) 18:14, 13 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Sales from all versions are not combined for this list. Individual versions that have sold over 5 million can be added to the list.
 * This is why "White Christmas" only has 50 million (all versions are over 150 million) and why "Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer" only has 12 million (all versions are over 150 million). Also, a version "O sole mio" is already included, Elvis Presley's "It's Now or Never".-- Mαuri ’96 “  everything and nothing always haunts me…  ” 07:33, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Expression of disagreement
Here I report that in the last period, I have attempted to place singles also of not English-language, which have sold millions of copies worldwide, related sources, that someone considered unreliable. Specifically, I refer to songs from Italian international repertoire , who have the most reliable sources for national newspapers and tvs of Italy. However, my work was removed, and the page looks like a celebration of American music , just truthful. I find this way of working very correct and express my complete disagreement .--8Sirlo6 (talk) 20:33, 31 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Check it for yourself, Identifying reliable sources.   Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 20:35, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

I had already read this, and sources supporting informations (mainly the major national newspapers) do not seem to disagree with these guidelines. Also absurd that in Febrary 2015, one of these songs has been awarded for the copies sold on Eurovision live TV (Sanremo Music Festival Awrds 2015), and here is denied. It is absurd, and I continue democratically to express my complete disagreement with this way of working. For me there is not much else to say.--8Sirlo6 (talk) 20:46, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Passenger's "Let Her Go" not on the list yet?
According to the page for Let Her Go (Passenger song), the certifications seem to total up to something like 7.2 million. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 17:32, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

not only that. other songs eligible on this list are not yet included, like Jason Derulo's Talk Dirty, Imagine Dragon's Demons and Ed Sheeran's Thinking Out Loud. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshay.16 (talk • contribs) 04:43, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Streams
An 'equivalent track stream' is not a sale. It is a methodology for compiling a chart just like airplay. That being said, if the main sources of sales information such as the RIAA are bundling them together then we can only report what is out there. They are more distinct from digital download sales than physical sales and therefore should be listed separately. Also the OCC in the UK still separate out download sales for some purposes and these figures are given in the individual song certification box where available so all the 'includes streaming' figures need checking. Btljs (talk) 03:15, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Take a bow (Rihanna)
$†$ Since May 2013 RIAA certifications for digital singles include on-demand audio and/or video song streams in addition to downloads.

Platinum (mastertone - US) - 1,000,000 --24.139.120.225 (talk) 01:09, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Wabash Cannonball
I don't think that Wabash Cannonball by Roy Acuff should be listed as selling 10 Million copies as I think this is the total figure for the 1936 recording and the 1947 one. Unlike White Christmas' twice recorded version, the 1936 and 1947 Wabash Cannonballs are completely different arrangements, lyrics and singers, so maybe they should count as two x 5 million sellers and not 1 x 10 million  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.197.137.70 (talk) 09:02, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Digital era table
There is a bit of work to do on this table to improve it. Rather than exact sales like 13.8 M, I think this should show ranges where several sources are available. There is no definitive global figure due to variations in accuracy of measuring sales in different regions. This problem is compounded by the fact that many sources in the popular press will just make a bald statement like "sold almost 15 million copies worldwide" without any qualification at all (is this downloads or downloads and stream equivalents? is it just a record company estimate or calculated more precisely? what is the possible error margin: 14-16M or 10-20M?)

The WMA stated last week that the 1,2,3 of the 21st century are Happy, I Gotta Feeling, Uptown Funk, with UF about to overtake IGF. This is by no means definitive, but in the absence of any other recent source stating that there is a different 1,2,3 then I think the table should reflect this regardless of what sales figures different sources give (Call Me Maybe is given 18M in The Telegraph but it doesn't say it's the best selling song). Btljs (talk) 13:33, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Please see above before reverting my edit again. What is "correct order" when you have a range of sources giving different figures with different accuracy of different measurements? Why is the leading paragraph misleading? Btljs (talk) 15:22, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Maybe we should place them by certifications not by magazines' articles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.36.3.147 (talk) 19:58, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, there aren't any global certifications and even national ones can be an unreliable guide to sales. Btljs (talk) 21:04, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have reverted the page as I used a bad source according to WP:CHART, sorry. Btljs (talk) 21:35, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

certified units
Can we do new column in the tables called "certified units" like on this page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.36.29.201 (talk) 14:00, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

"Nel blu dipinto di blu (Volare)"
22 million is the combined sale for all recordings of this song, by anybody. Not for any one recording. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.150.26.234 (talk • contribs) 13:25, 25 August 2015‎
 * Not according to the source and it even says it's the 5th best selling single "in the history of music". Btljs (talk) 21:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

"Yes Sir, I Can Boogie"
I added this song, which has 15+ million sales and 18 million according to "The Book of Golden Discs" by Joseph Murrells, and it was reverted by Synthwave.94 with the reason "not what the source says." Has Synthwave.94 read the book, or the Wikipedia page on the song in question, or the many other cites for similar figures?
 * Wikipedia page is irrelevant; I can't find any other source. Have you got the book? If so a page reference or quote would be useful to verify. Btljs (talk) 21:42, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

"(Everything I Do) I Do It For You" conflicting numbers in several reliable sources
The song "(Everything I Do) I Do It for You" performed by Bryan Adams (the song is the current record holder in the UK charts for the longest consecutive weeks at No. 1, and listed as the No. 1 song of the year in 1991 by Billboard) is currently listed in this article as 8 million copies sold. The source cited in this article gives that number (though the source could be read as meaning units sold in the week of its release, as some other sources explicitly state, which could makes sense since it went to #1 in 16 different countries shortly after its release). The Wiki page for the song says over 15 million copies were sold worldwide, which cites a New York Times article (NYT from 1994). Several articles I have found from "reliable sources" (such as the New York Times and BBC) have conflicting numbers (some wildly conflicting) which makes me wonder just how reliable they really are. Is there a definitive source that can settle exactly how many copies were sold? (Some of the numbers I saw listed in multiple articles include 6.5M, 8M, 9M, 15+M, and 16M.) — al-Shimoni  (talk) 01:28, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * No, there isn't a definitive source for global sales and figures quoted in sources are very variable and open to different interpretation. Record companies may claim a sales figure based on how many copies they ship out, but they don't all sell. This page should give a range based on different sources which would indicate the degree of uncertainty. It also shouldn't split physical and digital sales because many sources don't do this so the split is unknown. Personally, I don't find it particularly encyclopedic or informative. Btljs (talk) 09:18, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Uptown Funk
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uptown_Funk#Certifications http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a667956/hot-damn-uptown-funk-is-the-5th-biggest-single-in-uk-history.html#~po5iPylNqyP8dU https://web.archive.org/web/20150801063634/http://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=297039 Total sales: 11439398 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.36.13.247 (talk) 18:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

DANCING QUEEN - ABBA
Dancing Queen is widely acknowledged to be ABBA's Best Selling Single. It sold over 6 Million Globally, between 1976 & 1977, with further Sales added in from the 1992 Re-Issue. It has also sold over 700,000 in USA Downloads & 193,000 in UK Downloads. That is not even counting its Downloads from other Countries. So, it has sold over 6 Million Vinyl & CD copies, & well over 7 Million with Downloads added in. Yet, your List does not include it. Also - Fernando did not sell 10 Million copies. It sold 6 Million, which is why Dancing Queen has outsold it. So, until you add Dancing Queen to your List, your List is deeply flawed. It would be like leaving out The Beatles Best Seller or Queen's, or Madonna's 82.6.134.233 (talk) 00:26, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

www.mediatraffic.de "points" - convert to sales?
Does anyone know how www.mediatraffic.de "points" are derived? Is every sale a point and every point a sale, or is there some other methodology used? Are streaming "sales" counted the same way that the regular charts like Billboard count sales?

I am concerned because added this link in this recent edit (I've corrected the sales number down to 9.3m, I assume 9.7m was a typo, the reference says 9,325,000 points).

So, what is the methodology that www.mediatraffic.de uses to determine "points"? davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  22:04, 27 November 2015 (UTC)