Talk:List of best-selling singles/Archive 5

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Unless you are pretty sure an artist or song does not qualify for a stand-alone article, please wikilink the first use of an artist or song title.

With rare exceptions, there will be significant coverage from reliable, independent sources for top-charting songs and their artists, making them desirable redlinks (admittedly, while looking for sources for Cherry Blossom Ending there were so many non-suitable sources that I gave up and passed the idea off to a couple of WikiProjects, but it's almost 100% certain that sources could be found if I looked hard enough so for now, it's a desirable red-link).

I'm writing this mainly because several recent edits have either added material without wikilinking to existing articles or they have updated existing text and removed the wikilinks in the process. I've restored the wikilinks and, for now at least, every song is wikilinked (I didn't check all of the artists, since non-first-uses should NOT be wikilinked and there are many artists who appear multiple times). davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  18:52, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Patti Page - Tennessee Waltz 1950
Sold over 10 million copies, missing from list of best selling singles. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/9776866/Tennessee-Waltz-singer-Patti-Page-dies.html Kportguy (talk) 20:23, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

2015 bestseller
Time to add it in, methinks?

Probably Uptown Funk, but I'll let someone else put in the deets. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Electricmaster (talk • contribs) 13:01, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Physical sales
Isn't it the case we simply don't have reliable sources for sales pre-digital era. 50m for White Christmas is just plucked from the air. The Guinness Book of Records does not audit such claims...just publishes them in their book! (Coachtripfan (talk) 16:45, 3 April 2016 (UTC))

SexyBack

 * Australia (ARIA)
 * 2× Platinum
 * 140,000
 * Canada (Music Canada)
 * 3× Platinum
 * 240,000
 * New Zealand (RMNZ)
 * Platinum
 * 15,000
 * Platinum
 * 15,000


 * United States (RIAA)
 * 3× Platinum
 * 4,494,000
 * 4,494,000

Total= 5,489,000

Cornerstonepicker (talk) 07:31, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

can you feel the love tonight
DEAR SIR ON ELTON JOHNS WED PAGE IT STATES THAT SINGLE THE SINGLE CAN YOU FEEL THE LOVE TONIGHT HAS SOLD 11 MILLION COPIES  WHY IS IT NOT ON THE LIST OF BEST SELLING SINGLES OR IS THIS BULLSHIT 203.160.125.32 (talk) 16:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

criteria
wonder why those listed between 5-10 million were removed? those removed songs have back up sources stating they are already best sellers at those sales figures so why remove them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshay.16 (talk • contribs) 05:37, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Because a zillion of singles have sold over 5 million. The criteria shoud be raised just like List of best-selling albums (previously 15 million) and List of best-selling music artists (previously 50 million). This is a list of best-selling singles, so only singles with exceptionally high sales are counted. Bluesatellite (talk) 06:51, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

@Bluesatellite then i would suggest that we take it to a consensus. yes, you're correct that this list is getting long enough that the list isn't getting exclusive anymore, but i suggest we keep it to a ceratin sales level. maybe keep the list until 7.5 million at best? some of those removed have back up sources that are reliable enough though. even the IFPI's recent release shows that the 10th best selling song of 2015, Jason Derulo's Want to Want Me, sold 8.1 million. but for now, let's keep the old list until a consensus is made. that's fair enough, i guess. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshay.16 (talk • contribs) 03:51, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind IFPI considers streaming in their reports for singles since 2014. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 18:29, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Yahoo! Source
I think that the source from Yahoo! is not reliable. Sure, there is a lot of best-selling singles, but is not good source. Chrishonduras (talk) 05:04, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Can't Stop the Feeling!

 * Total=5,803,000

Cornerstonepicker (talk) 13:13, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Mirrors

 * Total=5,008,941

Cornerstonepicker (talk) 19:55, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

new sales
are http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/keha-the-black-eyed-peas-and-adele-top-the-charts-for-most-revenue-made-via-digital-downloads-in-over-a-decade-254134721.html and http://www.whattheartistgot.com/ reliable sources? they mention sales from several tracks which includes:

Ke$ha - Tik Tok - 15m The Black Eyed Peas - I Gotta Feeling - 15m Adele - Rolling in the Deep - 14m Lady Gaga - Poker Face - 14m LMFAO featuring Lauren Bennett and GoonRock - Party Rock Anthem - 14m Maroon 5 featuring Christina Aguilera - Moves like Jagger - 13.9m Carly Rae Jepsen - Call Me Maybe - 13.5m Bruno Mars - Just the Way You Are - 13.2m Gotye featuring Kimbra - Somebody That I Used to Know - 13m Eminem featuring Rihanna - Love the Way You Lie - 12.8m Jason Mraz - I'm Yours - 12.2m Katy Perry - Firework - 11m Psy - Gangnam Style - 11m The Black Eyed Peas - Boom Boom Pow - 10.8m Bruno Mars - Grenade - 10.6m Ladt Gaga featuring Colby O'Donis - Just Dance - 10.4m Adele - Someone Like You - 9.4m Journey - Don't Stop Believing - 8.8m Lady Gaga - Born This Way - 8.7m Beyonce - Halo - 8.4m Taio Cruz - Dynamite - 8.3m Train - Hey, Soul Sister - 8.3m Rihanna featuring Calvin Harris - We Found Love - 8.2m Nicki Minaj - Starships - 8m Taylor Swift - Love Story - 8m Beyonce - Irreplaceable - 7.7m Beyonce - Single Ladies (Put a Ring on it) - 7.7m Katy Perry featuring Snoop Dogg - California Gurls - 7.7m Eminem - Lose Yourself - 7.6m LMFAO - Sexy and I Know It - 6.9m Adele - Set Fire to the Rain - 6.6m Flo Rida featuring Kesha - Right Round - 6.5m Katy Perry featuring Kanye West - ET - 6.5m Coldplay - Viva la Vida - 6.4m Katy Perry - Hot n Cold - 6.3m T.I. - Whatever You Like - 6.3m Foster the People - Pumped Up Kicks - 6.2m Lady Antebellum - Need You Now - 6.2m Florida George Line - Cruise - 6.1m Cee Lo Green - Fuck You - 6m Miley Cyrus - Party in the USA - 6m Flo Rida - Good Feeling - 5.9m Katy Perry - Teenage Dream - 5.9m Eminem - Not Afraid - 5.8m Rihanna - Only Girl (in the World) - 5.8m Rihanna - S&M - 5.7m Taylor Swift - I Knew You Were Trouble - 5.7m T.I. featuring Rihanna - Live Your Life - 5.6m David Guetta featuring Akon - Sexy Bitch - 5.5m Jay Z featuring Alicia Keys - Empire State of Mind - 5.5m Owl City - Fireflies - 5.4m Kings of Leon - Use Somebody - 5.3m fun. - Some Nights - 5.2m Rihanna - Disturbia - 5.2m Fergie - Big Girls Don't Cry - 5.1m Kanye West - Stronger - 5.1m Nicki Minaj - Super Bass - 5m

in order to see all songs you have to click the menu options after the filter tab several times because not all songs will be shown the first time. but i was able to check which have surpassed 5m according to both sites.


 * Whattheartistgot was based on figures from this list. For example, it erroneously calculated revenue from "Gangnam Style" and "Moves Like Jagger" with an average price of ~1 dollar per song, despite both song selling over 3m at less than $0.10 in South Korea. - Mαuri ’96 “  everything and nothing always haunts me…  ” 17:38, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

The Smurfs Song
I could't find Father Abraham with 'The Smurfs Song' on this list. The song (not the album) was sold 17.000.000 times. Source: http://radio.nl/802660/pierre-kartner-geeerd-voor-oeuvre / http://www.telegraaf.nl/filmenuitgaan/muziek/23814460/__Pierre_Kartner_geeerd_voor_oeuvre__.html 84.104.139.26 (talk) 11:23, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

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Shake it Off - Taylor Swift
It's not in the list. The song's been certified x9 Platinum by RIAA and have multiple certifcation in other countries as well. Why isn't it in the list? Penpaperpencil (Talk) 07:30, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Abba's Dancing Queen
Seems to be missing, sales are afaik somewhere between 5-10 million (more than waterloo, maybe less than fernando) or more.--Kmhkmh (talk) 12:30, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

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How are these figures counted?
How do you count these figures for the sales? Liam Payne's strip that down is nowhere near five million based on the sales and certified units it has but its on the list. Am I missing something? (190.80.50.137 (talk) 11:08, 4 November 2017 (UTC))

sales
i found websites mentioning new sales for some singles: flo rida- low (12 million), good feeling (5 m), wild ones (5 m)http://www.wmg.com/newsdetails/id/8a0af812392985b701393080bb2f00c7 (although after checking, 'good felling', 'wild ones' and even 'whistle' have all sold 5.2 million each based on combined sales certifications) christina aguilera- lady marmalade http://web.archive.org/web/20020204010046/http://www.christina-a.com/billboardcharts1.html shakira- loca http://www.lahora.com.ec/index.php/noticias/show/1101256641/-1/Shakira%3A_un_%C3%A9xito_rotundo_en_el_2011.html#.UO6h3JGIX6Q (in spanish)

also several songs have sold more based on their combined sales certifications. these songs do not have solo references to proved the sales, but combined certificates does so. they include: physical:eye of the tiger (8.2 m), ill be missing you (7.1 m), youre the one that i want (6.6 m), thriller (5.6 m) and billie jean (5 m) digital: we are young (8.4 m), firework (8 m), someone like you (7.9 m), dynamite (7.4 m), hot n cold (7 m), fuck you (6.9 m), sexy and i know it (6.8 m), dint stop believing (6.7 m), lose yourself (6.6 m), right round (6.1 m), need you now (6.1 m), payphone (6.1 m), gangnam style (5.8 m), starships (5.7 m), fireflies (5.7 m), party in the usa (5.4 m), sexy bitch (5.3 m), set fire to the rain (5.2 m), teenage dream (5.2 m) and pumped up kicks (5 m).

Thrift Shop, Fuck you, Blurred Lines
Thrift Shop has sold more than 5M copies just counting US sales (Buzzjack list or Paul Grein Chart Watch) and has been certified 7 platinum by ARIA (so far...). However, since it is still selling well, the best thing could be waiting and see how many copies it will sell in the coming months, rather than listing it now and having to modify total sales 4-5 times.

Cee Lo Green's Fuck You have sold much more than 6.02M copies; the next week it will pass 6m in USA (Buzzjack list or Paul Grein Chart Watch), in UK it sold 898.000 copies (http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=141954), 320.000 in Canada (http://www.musiccanada.com/GPSearchResult.aspx?st=&ica=False&sa=Cee%20Lo%20Green&sl=&smt=0&sat=-1&ssb=Artist) and 210.000 in Australia (http://www.aria.com.au/pages/httpwww.aria.com.aupageshttpwww.aria.com.auSINGLEaccreds2011.htm). Total sales: 7.42 million. I think it is time to update it, since it should be in the 7-9.9M list.

Blurred Lines has sold over 600,000 copies and thus should be included

Lady Gaga
Bad Romance: in 2010 sold 9.7 million arround the world and 3.8 only in usa, in august 2013 bad romance has sold 5,4 million only in usa 9.7 + 1.6 = 11.3 + sales arround the world = 13-14 millon copies arround the world.

Poker Face: in 2009 sold 9.8 million arround the world and 4.0 only in usa, in august 2013 poker face has sold 7,0 million only in usa 9.8 + 3 = 12.8 + sales arround the world = 15-16 millon copies arround the world.

Just Dance: in 2009 sold 7.7 million arround the world and 4.2 only in usa, in august 2013 just dance has sold 7 million only in usa 7.7 + 2.8 = 10.5 + sales arround the world = 12-13 millon copies arround the world.

Born This Way: in 2011 sold 8.2 million arround the world and 3.2 only in usa, in august 2013 born this way has sold 4,0 million only in usa 8.2 + 0.8 = 9.0 + sales arround the world = 10-11 millon copies arround the world.

Telephone: in 2010 sold 7.5 million arround the world and 2.1 only in usa, in august 2013 Telephone has sold 3,4 million only in usa 7.7 + 1.3 = 9.0 + sales arround the world = 10-11 millon copies arround the world.

Paparazzi: in 2009 sold 5.2 million arround the world and 1.7 only in usa, in august 2013 paparazzi has sold 3,4 million only in usa 5.2 + 1.7 = 6.9 + sales arround the world = 7-8 millon copies arround the world.

The Edge of Glory: in 2011 sold 5.1 million arround the world and 2.2 only in usa, in august 2013 the edge of glory has sold 3,0 million only in usa 5.1 + 0.8 = 5.9 + sales arround the world = 7-8 millon copies arround the world.

Alejandro: in 2010 sold 4.8 million arround the world and 1.5 only in usa, in august 2013 alejandro has sold 2,5 million only in usa 4.8 + 1.0 = 5.8 + sales arround the world = 6-8 millon copies arround the world.

You and I: in 2011 sold 3.6 million arround the world and 1.0 only in usa, in august 2013 bad romance has sold 2,1 million only in usa 3.6 + 1.1 = 4.7 + sales arround the world = 5-6 millon copies arround the worls.

Taylor Swift
Since even IFPI has started to include online streams like most recording association of the world including RIAA..taylor swift sales would now be You belong with me sales=7.6 million

Certifications
$†$ Since May 2013 RIAA certifications for digital singles include on-demand audio and/or video song streams in addition to downloads.

I Knew You were Trouble Sales=7.6 million

Certifications
Taylor Swift Shake it off= 7.7 million

Certifications
Taylor Swift Blank Space=6.6 million

Certifications
$†$ Since May 2013, RIAA certifications for digital singles include on-demand audio and/or video song streams in addition to downloads.

Taylor Swift Love Story=9 million

Certifications
$†$ Since May 2013 RIAA certifications for digital singles include on-demand audio and/or video song streams in addition to downloads.

The Monster (Eminem & Rihanna)
Total: 5,250,536
 * USA sales Refence
 * Gaon Chart - 68th & 72th - 116,374 + 111,427

Radioactive by Imagine Dragons
Total: 9,203,446

Take A Bow by Rihanna
Total: 5,043,416
 * Gaon Chart 2010 - 50th = 537,407
 * Gaon Chart 2011 - 48th = 322,520
 * Gaon Chart 2012 - 80th = 205,815
 * Gaon Chart 2013 - 46th = 135,326
 * Gaon Chart 2014 - 70th = 134,798
 * France - 2008 = 37,050
 * Japan (RIAJ) - March 2014 = 100,000 (Platinum)

All of Me by John Legend
Total: 7,710,000

Let it Go by Idina Menzel












Total: 6,585,607
 * Gaon Chart 2014 3th & 4th = 1,737,107

We Found Love

 * Australia - 420,000
 * Belgium - 30,000
 * Denmark - 4 000
 * Germany - 150,000
 * Italia - 60,000
 * New Zealand - 45,000
 * Spain (Week 20-2012) - 40,000
 * Sweden- 240,000
 * Switzerland - 60,000
 * UK- 1,300,000
 * US- 5 057 149
 * Gaon Chart 15th (2011) - 594,556
 * Gaon Chart (2012) - 132,000
 * France (2011) - 145,000
 * France (2012) - 62 000
 * Mexico - 240 000
 * Total: 8,477,705

Certifications
Sales=5.7 million

2015 bestseller
Time to add it in, methinks?

Probably Uptown Funk, but I'll let someone else put in the deets.

Hello, Adele
Shouldn't Hello be on this list? The song sold over 7.2 million in the US and UK alone. Over 9 million with the other confirmed sales and certificates.

Wikipedia policy violation
Regards. Bluesatellite (talk) 08:07, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:SYNTH states "Do not combine material from multiple sources (or different parts of one source) to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources." So as long as there's not any available source claiming a specific figure, then do NOT list the song here.
 * Certifications is not the same as sales. Certifications include "shipment" to retail stores, as well as free streaming (which is not sales by any definition).


 * Sales from individual countries' are added together when available. This would fall under WP:CALC.
 * Additionally, specific singles such as "We Found Love" and "Firework" were released near the end of the year and thus sold too little to be included in any yearly IFPI list.-- Mαuri ’96 “  everything and nothing always haunts me…  ” 18:52, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Which "sales" from those individual countries? Certification is not sales. We are reading about "best-selling singles" not "highest-certified singles". Combining sales and certifications makes the WP:SYNTH. It's not our obligation to include "We Found Love" and "Firework". This is a dynamic list in the first place. If we find a reliable source to backup a claim, then freely add it. If not, then shouln't add it. Bluesatellite (talk) 05:11, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

CRITERIA FOR ADDING SONGS TO THIS LIST
I am asking again what is the criteria for adding songs to this list. If it is based on IPFI then a lot of these songs on this list have got to go. If you check the certified shipments/ sales of a lot of them they don't come close to what is being claimed that they have sold. I move to motion that all songs that don't have the IPFI link to back their claims be removed from this list. Articles, news letters, biographies etc. often inflate sales for promotional purposes or otherwise and unless the actual sales is being weighted against the claimed sales of singles (like how it is done for the best selling albums and artists of all times list) then they should not be viewed as reliable sources. Besides some of the references for these singles come from fan based sites as well. (190.80.50.137 (talk) 01:06, 14 December 2017 (UTC))

Hung up madonna
How can be "hung up" in digital list if the single was released on 2005? --87.21.233.170 (talk) 01:24, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Usher
The Single Yeah from Usher is the most successful single from 2004. Why is this missing?

According to billboard even the 14 most successful single:

Yeah! added
I just added Yeah! to the list at 7.6 million digital copies sold.Richard Hendricks (talk) 17:06, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

chartmasters.org
is chartmasters.org a reliable source? the source itself looks more of a forum than a news organization. furthermore, the sales figures posted on that site, and the way they were extracted, seems highly unreliable. there was even one comment posted on the site's feedback page sometime in 2017 which questioned where and how the site's runner/s came up with their numbers. apparently the owners never clarified those questions, citing their formula was more "accurate" than those posted by the ifpi, nielsen soundscan and the occ (in the uk). they even had computations for countries with smaller music market sizes such as finland and yet they claim it is more accurate than what the official certification bodies in those countries provide. the site even said those organizations - the riaa and bpi in particular - are questionable. so now the question is, is the site reliable at all? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshay.16 (talk • contribs) 00:26, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

need adjustment according with the number of people in the world and the economy of the world
or at least do it by 2 decades: 20-30, 40-50, 60-70, 80-90, 00-10 and so on


 * The best selling single of all time was released in 1942. The third best selling single of all time was released in 1935. Dividing the list up by time period is not necessary. -Richard Hendricks (talk) 05:38, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes Sir I Can Boogie - Baccara - Hugely Exaggerated Sales
There is no way that 'Yes Sir I Can Boogie' by Baccara, sold 18 Million copies. That 1977 Hit had sold around 3 Million, in Europe, before it was released in the UK. It became a UK No.1 & sold around 700,000 copies there. Its Sales in the rest of the World were about 2 Million. To be generous, we can estimate 6 Million Global Sales for it - nothing like the 18 Million claimed in the Article. It was not even a Hit in the USA or Canada. To be a Global 18 Million Seller it would have had to be No.1 in the USA for Months & to have sold around 10 Million there. However, I've heard the 18 Million claim before. It is as absolutely laughable that Wikipedia has been using the claim for Years. It shows that it is easy to make fools of people who ought to know better. 'Yes Sir I Can Boogie' is said to have been the World's 5th Best Seller of 1977, on 2 different Global Chart Sites. It was not even a No.1 Hit in the Global Charts. It reached No.2 for 2 Weeks. That proves that it sold nothing like 18 Million. In the Pan-European Charts it was No.1 for 3 Weeks in 1 of them, & No.1 for 6 Weeks in another. 'Fernando' by ABBA, was No.1 in the Pan-European Charts for 18 Weeks - yet your Article does not include it - at all - in the World's Best Selling Singles. But, 'Fernando' sold 6 Million Globally. The Baccara Hit was not huge in France No.5, Australia - No.9, Italy - No.30, or New Zealand - No.33. Nor was it a Hit in Japan. Which means that it flopped in the World's 2 biggest Music Markets - the USA & Japan. It would had to be Number 1 in virtually every Country on Earth, to sell 18 Million. I've just proved that it can't have had anywhere near such Sales. 86.2.61.136 (talk) 20:36, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

This is absolutely right -- the "source" is a memorial webpage for a co-writer of the song which makes the sales claim with no source or support. I had never heard of the song and was shocked to see it listed alongside exclusively well-known hits. 18 million sales seems hard to believe, to put it mildly.

you know people live not only in North America, Australia and UK...in Mexico alone live more than 100 mln people Spanish speaking people and the duo is Spanish speaking duo

Sales in Spain/Latin America low esp for most singles.

Any proof of huge Spanish sales? Coachtripfan (talk) 14:32, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Physical/Digital singles or Singles before/after 2000? Streaming?
I think that it would be a good idea to split between "older" (until 2000) and "more recent" (after 2000) singles, instead of physical and digital singles, because some older singles has impressive digital sales and it is very confusing since they are technically in the physical singles category, but they have sold million of digital copies (for instance Thriller by Michael Jackson). I would still split the list in two parts (or maybe three, for example until 1980, 1981-2000 and 2001-present), since singles' sales have never been stable and the more recent ones starting from 2006-2007 would otherwise eclipse the older ones. Personally speaking I also find the split between physical and digital not adequate anymore, because now singles do not sell a lot of digital copies, the majority of their revenues come from streaming and I think we have to accept certifications that include streaming. At the moment we are in a strange situation, where we consider the numbers written in the IFPI reports correct (and I think this is right, of course), but we do not accept RIAA's, CRIA's or BPI's certifications anymore because they include streaming too. I believe we should include streaming, otherwise we should also not use IFPI's sales and the list should not be split depending on the format (physical / digital). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.66.130.72 (talk) 21:50, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd be in favor of eliminating the distinction between physical and digital sales as long as the definition of a best seller is raised to 10 million copies. -Richard Hendricks (talk) 05:35, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The physical/digital difference makes no sense when both are combined in most countries. No splitting is necessary. Also, there's "sales" in the name of this article so streaming should not count or give the article a new name. ·  Mcdonalds  ( talk ·  cont ), at 04:22, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I strongly agree with what the unsigned user said. Streaming will count, IFPI uses it in their numbers of singles in the past 3/4 reports if I'm not mistaken, and it's combined, not separated. A side note should be added in that case. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:30, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Is chartmasters.org a reliable source for worldwide singles sales?
Well, should it be considered a reliable source? Richard Hendricks (talk) 15:15, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * No. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:54, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Proposal to set 10 millions copies sold as the minimum.
The List of best-selling albums stipulates that the albums listed must have sold 20 million copies worldwide. The current minimum for List of best-selling singles is 5 million copies sold worldwide. I propose raising this minimum to 10 million copies worldwide (20/2 = 10). Richard Hendricks (talk) 00:27, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Support. The current threshold is too low. A zillion of singles have sold over 5 million, which do not necessarily mean "best-selling". Bluesatellite (talk) 03:52, 14 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Support per Bluesatellite, and this is much closer to what's actually among the top selling songs. The only exception would be the section listing each year's best-selling singles from 2007 onwards as there can be times when nothing reaches the 10M threshold within a calendar year. Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:57, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I concur with the exception for the the section listing each year's best-selling singles from 2007 onwards. -Richard Hendricks (talk) 03:08, 28 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Support strongly. — IB [ Poke ] 14:37, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose, I fail to see a net positive with this. It's not as if this article is too long to be manageable, and removing information about singles selling between 5 and 10 million copies does not help the reader. If anyone is only interested in reading about singles that sold more than 10 million copies, don't read the rest of the list. It's simple. feminist (talk) 10:23, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose... though it's not really important. There are so many (physical) singles with inflated singles (and many - digital mostly - deflated sales), which is much more worrying about the credibility of this article. The physical/digital difference doesn't make sense when sales are combined in most countries. Also, taking into "sales figures" that include streaming makes no sense and indicates that the article needs a new name. As for the 5M limit itself, I think it's too low if we consider singles that sold over 5M are missing in the tally - if all +5M sellers were there, I think the limit should be on 7M. ·  Mcdonalds  ( talk ·  cont ), at 04:15, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose, first of all physical and digital singles should be combined as nowadays most recent articles include sales of digital, physical and even streaming. I agree with the user above, the article needs a new name. As far as the threshold of 10 million is too high. 7/8 million would be the most appropriated, at least for now. Chages in this article are a must. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:40, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * strongly support, I like your idea there are just to many singles and i think only the very best songs of the entire century should be included
 * Oppose, I think the threshold is pretty right. I'd say that very few new non-digital singles will make the list, so that section shouldn't grow much.  I might be more amenable to raising the threshold for digital singles only as we are seeing multiple new entries per year there, while that was not common back in the day of non-digital singles.  Also while the threshold for albums is much higher (4 times), major albums typically sell for years if not decades.  Singles are usually done after 6 months at the most (reissues excepted).  You would expect albums to vastly outsell singles over time so a disparity is to be expected. WeepingAngel63 (talk) 10:08, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose, I think the more variety of singles the better, I concur that it could be raised to 7 million. However many songs are missing I feel. I am surprised that Green Green Grass Of Home by Tom Jones is not in there. I couldn't find its worldwide sales figure. Stover75 (talk) 01:51, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Per WeepingAngel63's reasoning, only the digital single threshold, if any, should be increased.-- Mαuri ’96  ( talk ·  cont ) 19:54, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Maybe it could be limited to the top 50 instead? Blacha61 (talk) 21:55, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Missing songs.
I was just doing some research... I may be wrong, but according to Wikipedia both, "Lose Yourself" and "Not Afraid" by EMINEM have sold over 10 million copies yet neither of them are on this list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.161.1.55 (talk) 01:39, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

In the Summertime
In the Summertime was listed twice, once with 10 million sales and once with 30 million. Both entries were sourced, but the sources for 30 million looked better to me than Radio Bulgaria, so I removed the 10 million entry. Huon (talk) 22:38, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Unreliably sourced entries
The entries with citations from www.prnewswire.co.uk were marked as unreliably sourced back in June 2018. Since it's been almost a year, should these entries be removed? Richard Hendricks (talk) 14:09, 3 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and adjusted the entires with citations from www.prnewswire.co.uk to figures backed by IFPI. Richard Hendricks (talk) 04:13, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposal to make this a top 50 or top 100 list
I propose combining the physical and digital lists and limiting the listing to either the top 50 or the top 100 best selling singles. Richard Hendricks (talk) 14:17, 3 May 2019 (UTC)


 * As of today, 100 digital singles listed in this article have sold 6.6 million copies or more world-wide. Richard Hendricks (talk) 04:14, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Missing Singles
Why there are so many missing singles from the digital era? If it's because there are no reliable sources for their WW units, there should be at least a section for them or something like that rather than excluding them entirely. For example, Sia's "Cheap Thrills" is missing, although it has 19 million units confirmed. Other examples are Katy Perry's "ET" and "Hot n Cold". They have sold almost 6 million copies each just in the US, without streaming, confirmed by reliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LustForLife5 (talk • contribs) 00:00, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Sweet Mother by Prince Nico Mbarga has 13 million copies sold in 1976. (Africa) Sweet Mother wiki page. The song is in English, but I'm unsure if this page is supposed to be mainly for popular western music. If not, there are probably a great number of missing songs from around the world. -- 68.227.26.160 (talk) 23:42, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Difference between digital sales and streaming units..
No song has surpassed 13M digital sales since 2015. All songs after 2015 belongs in the streaming units section. Fierzig (talk) 22:44, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Chartmasters.org / IFPI
This website is not considered a reliable source as per this discussion, as well as WP:Record charts, as it is a self-published source. The IFPI reports, however, count as reliable sources and I don't see any valid reason to remove them from this list. Synthwave.94 (talk) 02:44, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Except IFPI reports consumption units and they stopped digital sales tracking since 2016 Fierzig (talk) 02:45, 9 September 2020 (UTC)