Talk:List of black Academy Award winners and nominees/Archive 1

Lee Lemont
Re: Lee Lemont, his name is not listed as a nominee on the official Oscars.org website. The films were nominated for Sound Effects Editing but he was not nominated.gmjambear 07:17, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I checked at oscars.org and Lee Lemont has neither been nominated for nor won an Academy Award. I am removing his name from this article. (JosephASpadaro 03:46, 5 May 2007 (UTC))

Order
Are these awards listed in any particular order? The list from the article (and the table of contents) seems very arbitrary and random. Any explanations? Thanks. (JosephASpadaro 06:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC))
 * I re-formatted the article to address the above issue. I listed the "big awards" first (picture, director, actor, actress) ... and the rest of the awards in alphabetical order.  (JosephASpadaro 03:47, 5 May 2007 (UTC))

Freddie Francis
Er I'm sorry I had the chance to meet Freddie before he died erm I don't think he's black guys, in fact I'm almost certain. --86.131.81.191 (talk) 23:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Title of This Article
Should the letter "b" in the word "black" be capitalized or not? Thanks. (JosephASpadaro 02:49, 21 May 2007 (UTC))
 * For Wikipedia's style guidelines on capitalization, see Manual of Style. When a situation isn't covered in Wikipedia's MOS, usage defaults to the authoritative style guides for the English Language:  The Chicago Manual of Style and Fowler’s Modern English Usage. Chicago provides an online guide, the Chicago Manual of Style Online. Style guides available at no cost are the Mayfield Electronic Handbook of Technical & Scientific Writing and the CMS Crib Sheet.
 * Basically, this is an issue of English grammar. The rule involved here is the capitalization of proper nouns.  The phrases "Academy Award Winner" and "Academy Award Nominee" are registered trademarks, making them formal titles like the British Prime Minister, and therefore proper nouns. Proper nouns, that is, nouns that signify a specific thing are capitalized.  For example, dog isn't capitalized, but "Scruffy", the neighbor's dog, is. The term academy awards would refer to awards given out by any academy, but Academy Awards signify the Oscars.  But Academy Award is also a proper noun in its own right, so it is also grammatically correct to refer to an Academy Award winner using common English rules.


 * Being capitalized, "Black Academy Award" would be a proper noun, signifying the existence of an award known as that, or which implies the existence of a distinct ceremony called the "Black Academy Awards". But there is no such complementary award to the Best Actor Academy Award known as the "Black Academy Award", and there is no competing organization to the Academy Awards called the Black Academy Awards.  A black man is not a Black man, just as a white man is not a White man, but to Native Americans, all white men were collectively known as White Man (a synonym for the white race). Anyone can live in a white house, but only The President lives in the White House.  Will the first black President of the United States be elected during our lifetimes? Maybe so.


 * Black is an adjective like any other. To test its usage here, substitute it with any other adjective. List of three Academy Award winners, List of male Academy Award winners, List of canine Academy Award winners, List of deceased Academy Award winners, List of hospitalized Academy Award winners, etc.  There's no way a general adjective like black or any of these other examples is part of a proper noun in this situation.
 * I hope this helps.
 *  Th e Tr ans hu man ist   01:42, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The letter "b" in the word "Black" is indeed capitalized. Thanks.  (JosephASpadaro 01:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC))
 * That's an incorrect standard to apply. It's a specifically descriptive adjective, and substituting "three" or "male" is not a reasonable comparison. Try instead "List of Irish Academy Award winners" or "List of Jewish Academy Award winners" or "List of African Academy Award winners" and you'll see that it is apt. The people of the African diaspora in the United States are Black people.Dreamalynn (talk) 04:59, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Racism
Isn't this article either a) - a fair bit patronising or just b) - racist? As Morgan Freeman said - "I don't want a black history month. Black history is human history. The only way to end racism is to stop talking about it" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfniall~enwiki (talk • contribs) 14:56, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It's racist, and should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.27.96.184 (talk) 23:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Good, so I'm not the only one that thinks that this page is racist. --70.160.64.22 07:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, I think this page is pointless. If there is a page for black people, there should be one for other races as well, or this page should be deleted. Jordan 03:38, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The Academy Awards has a long history of ethnocentrism. That's why there are such things as
 * The Black Movie Awards
 * American Latino Awards
 * Lists like this one serve as a sort of barometer, hopefully showing us how far we've come. -ErinHowarth 06:16, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. People kill saying things like this are "racist". The entire point of such a list is to show our (unfortunately slow) progression away from racism. --FuriousFreddy 16:36, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, to be honest the existence of these awards is in a way racist itself. By awarding only black or latino people for that reason alone(seeing as black or latino doesn't seem to mean a specific genre in this context - like the Latin Grammys etc.) then at the very least the awards are extremely patronising and suggest that these groups need a 'helping hand' in order to get recognition and awards.
 * Lists like this one serve as a sort of barometer, hopefully showing us how far we've come.
 * People kill saying things like this are "racist". The entire point of such a list is to show our (unfortunately slow) progression away from racism - Pages like this don't show us how far we've come, the only purpose they serve is in reminding us that people still place some patronising signifigance on race. Sfniall 11:05, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * "How far we've come" -- so what you do here is to imply the awards are racist. Whoever decides if this article should be here, and he/she decides it should stay automatically implies that Academy Award is racist. If AA is racist the article should be citing source of proof in the same article. As far as I can see this page is just as offending to a white person, as it would be for a black person if there was a list of white people only. The separation is unecessary. // Alex aka 82.145.159.16 (talk) 07:17, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

''I normally never edit Wikipedia, but I was about to clear the entire page just before, but I realized that would just get me in trouble, getting banned from Wiki or something like that and that the article would be restored in a few minutes at most. So I found this page.. Anyway, I just want to say that pages like this is so obviously racist.. and dont say it work like some kind of barometer bullshit. Its just like we gotta give the black people more awards to make this list reflect that "oh now the world is less racist". If a white person really deserves the award, and then not to be racist we give it to black person that didnt deserve it then obviously we are discriminating the white person. The BEST should win no matter skin color. Lists like these is like if I make this list of how many black people are wikipedia editors and how many white, to use it as a barometer to reflect how many black people has access to the internet compared to the white people "to see how far we have come". Its f*cking stupid, see how ridiciolous it is? Whoever decides if this article should be here, and he/she decides it should stay automatically implies that Academy Award is racist. If AA is racist the article should be citing source of proof in the same article -- that is my opinion.'' // Alex aka 82.145.159.16 (talk) 06:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

its not racist. there are other articles of different minority groups who have won the academy so why single out black people? I am glad there is an article on it because not a whole lot of blacks have won in the academy's 80+ year run and it makes it easier to find what I am looking for in the gigantic sea of white winners. besides america has not progressed much against racism, so things like this are still needed. it just sounds like someone is making a fuss just to make a fuss about something. the only problem with this page is the title and that its not being specific when it says "black". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.91.185.51 (talk) 07:59, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

title
Black should be capitalized since we are talking specifically about a group of people, although it would be much easier to just just say African American...unless you are trying to include black people who are not from america who have won but either way black should be capitalized since we are talking about a race, a group of people, not a crayon color. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.91.185.51 (talk) 07:54, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with you about Black, although consensus says otherwise. With respect to African American, that's not appropriate because some of the people in the list aren't Americans. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 01:54, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Foreigners
I think it would be great if we could add a comment somehwere to indicate which of these fine film makers are foreigners -ErinHowarth (talk) 23:57, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

The Color Purple - Best Original Score
There were actually 12 people nominated for Best Original Score for The Color Purple, not just Quincy Jones. The complete list is Quincy Jones, Jeremy Lubbock, Rod Temperton, Caiphus Semenya, Andrae Crouch, Chris Boardman, Jorge Calandrelli, Joel Rosenbaum, Fred Steiner, Jack Hayes, Jerry Hey, and Randy Kerber. I don't know what race all of them are, but I do know that Andrae Crouch is black. Anyone who is familiar with the others may want to update the list to take into account Quincy Jones' co-nominees. --99.140.182.16 (talk) 03:42, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Peter Ustinov
...has been removed from this list. Ustinov was of Russian, German, French, and Italian descent, and 1/16 Ethiopian. He's about as "black" as Marlon Brando. PacificBoy  08:16, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think he ought to be removed again. The list is for black Academy Award winners, not persosn of African descent.  -162.6.97.3 (talk) 22:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * What on earth??? Is the racist Old South still alive and well--it only takes one drop of negro blood to make you black? His name should be removed. Gandydancer (talk) 14:57, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * If that's the case than people like Halle Berry(White Mother),Prince (White mother),Irene Cara(Mixed Race), Carly Simon (Mixed Race) should be removed as well. Maybe the tittle should be change from List of black Academy Award winners and nominees to List of Academy Award winners and nominees of African descent. Many of the self identify Blacks on this page have a degree of European, Native American and African blood pumping in their hearts, mabye they should go to since you jackasses don't won't to add Peter Ustinov to this article.SkanterBrazil (talk) 10:47, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

SkanterBrazil: Blood has no race unless this is 19th century. Jeez! The people you name self identify as African-American and or Black, Peter Ustinov did not. You can't claim every single person with a smidgen of SSA ancestry simple because you want to or feel they need to be black. It's the person's choice to identify or NOT identify as well as how they were presented to and perceived by the public for the bulk of their career. To not acknowledge this is to give into internalized white supremacy no matter what race you are.Catherine Huebscher (talk) 6:57, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Carlinhos Brown is also black
Both Carlinhos Brwon and Siedah Garrett are black and were nominated for the same song, "Real in Rio", from the movie Rio. But for some reason, he is not included on the list. There was even a controversy here in Brazil back in the '90s when Brown married Chico Buarque's daughter, a white woman... Just take a look at his picture:. He's black! Rodrigogomesonetwo (talk) 02:35, 28 March 2013 (UTC)