Talk:List of black starting NFL quarterbacks

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Should the page be moved to List of black NFL quarterbacks? There is only passing mention at most of about other pro leagues, Canadian football, college football, or high school football. jnestorius(talk) 10:01, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Support - per above. Article is only about NFL players. MX ( ✉  •  ✎  ) 16:47, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ I had the same thought. If anyone disagrees, feel free to revert, but it really is an NFL-specific list in its current state. The now-redirect List of black quarterbacks could someday be turned into a list including players from non-NFL leagues (e.g., Canadian Football League, American Football League and All-American Football League). Leviv&thinsp;ich 18:56, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

I soft disagree with the move as a long-term thing. I agree the lack of non-NFL cases is a deficiency in the article, but it'd make more sense to have one unified article on the topic than to split the topic up by league - this article should cover NCAA black quarterbacks, CFL black quarterbacks, etc. It seems like sources do exist for this, e.g. http://sonahrsports.com/the-cfl-a-haven-for-africanamerican-quarterbacks-p134-112.htm SnowFire (talk) 21:08, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I would be OK with merging it back and reversing the redirect when the other content is written, depending on page size considerations (if any). FWIW I think of Racial issues faced by black quarterbacks as the one unified article on the topic, with this list being a spin-out of that article, along with List of quarterbacks of non-white or non-black descent. Leviv&thinsp;ich 21:25, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Why do that, or this, make a list that presumes there is a defining characteristic in these 'distinctions'? Is the long lead a summation of the list's scope and the associated articles, is it a spin-off or newly researched composition? cygnis insignis 02:38, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Why not? It hasn't been particularly time consuming or difficult. (Why is "distinctions" in quotes?) The lead is intended to explain why the list is notable by providing background and context. I think of this list as a spin-off of Racial issues faced by black quarterbacks, itself a spin-off of Black players in professional American football, which is a spin-off of Race and sports. Leviv&thinsp;ich 03:30, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I do not accept there is a distinction except where it sits in America's historical notions of race, although I need to remind myself that making a big deal of the categorisation is a foundational conceit in its populist narratives. I made a comment at the non-white & non-black list, if you can take a moment to see the apparently inherent contradiction of inheritance. cygnis insignis 03:52, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Timeline
I was messing around with a timeline for the "First by team" section, and after getting it to a certain point (above), I'm not sure if it's going to be useful, but I'm leaving it here in case anybody else wants to mess around with it. Lev!vich 23:56, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Removed non-starters
This article used to called List of black quarterbacks and looks like it might have been including stuff other than NFL but thats not what the list is right now so I removed the non NFL starters. If the article ever changes, we can add those people back. Just look at my edits to see what was removed. 173.80.93.180 (talk) 20:32, 13 August 2023 (UTC)