Talk:List of burial places of founders of religious traditions

The Buddha
The article read, "The Buddha's body was cremated and the relics were placed in monuments or stupas against his dying wishes". Now, the rôle of stupas in Indian Buddhism is complicated, so there may well be something I'm not aware of, but I am not aware of evidence that this was "against his dying wishes", so I have removed that phrase as unsourced. Please correct me if I'm wrong.&mdash;Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 01:20, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

He actually says that no relics should be made of his body in his death sermon. I will source and reinsert. Lotsa Buddhist sects blatantly ignore the instructions in his death sermon, especially the parts about relics being forbidden and the disallowing of secret teachings. Sukiari (talk) 06:51, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Article should be deleted.
I believe this article should be deleted and the information moved to the appropriate pages.--Editor2020 (talk) 20:37, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

And the english should be corrected. Somebody who didn't know what they were doing added a few words here and there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.141.189.226 (talk) 03:22, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Muhammad (SAWS)
I have removed the salawāt (e.g. S.A.W.S) in this section to meet the standards practiced in the Muhammad article, where I am sure the discussion has been brought up and resolved to not include PBUH or SAWS, despite recognition of the practice by Muslims. 72.75.10.251 (talk) 19:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

WP:Death Commentary
I changed the assessment for WP:Death. This page is not a List, it's an article, and at the moment it's a fairly poor one at that. There is an abysmal lack of references, coverage, and accuracy. For a few examples:
 * Confucianism is not a religion.
 * While Christianity is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ, He did not actually establish a religion.
 * Saint Peter is credited as the first pope of Roman Catholicism.
 * Saint Mark supposedly founded the Coptic sect of Christianity in Egypt.
 * Saint Andrew started the Russian Orthodox Church.
 * Other Apostles brought Christianity to other regions.
 * The section on "Other religions" is a hodge podge of unorganized information, some relevant to the article, though the religions with no founder should be listed in their own section. Boneyard90 (talk) 13:19, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Layout is a mess
Because this article has many photos and not much text (unsurprisingly), the layout is a bit of a mess. One solution would be to gather the photos together in a captioned gallery. The downside is that the text and relevant photo would be a little more separated, but I think it would improve the page on balance. Any views/objections? DeCausa (talk) 11:51, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Would you mind trying this out in a sandbox so we can compare the results? I agree that the current layout is not ideal. Shoplifter (talk) 12:03, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


 * something like this perhaps: de-linked sandbox. DeCausa (talk) 19:52, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think that structure is better at the moment. If enough text was added then it would be warranted to have the images embedded. But right now, a captioned gallery is better. Shoplifter (talk) 06:33, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll put in in for the moment. The other way I thought of doing it would be something like the Infobox ethnic group template (the montage of thumbs at the begining of an article) but they would be too small to see anything probably. DeCausa (talk) 06:41, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

File:Green Dome of the Holy Prophet.jpg Nominated for Deletion
it was a long time ago — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.58.94.34 (talk) 00:10, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Christianity, not each and every sect.
Noticed that someone has added Joseph Smith as the founder of the Mormons under "Christianity"... I will delete this para and suggest that as most major religions have their various sects we maintain this top-level style. If we included every variant of Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Judaism etc then this article would quickly become unwieldy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.161.212.40 (talk) 22:17, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see Editor2020 has reverted to the version with a separate para for Mormonism and a separate para for one particular Islamic movement. If this is really how the article should be, can I suggest that in the Christianity section we also include St Peter (first Pope, arguably founder of the Roman Catholic church), Henry VIII (founder of the Church of England), Martin Luther (founder of the Lutheran church), John Calvin (founder of the Calvinists), Charles T Russell (founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses) and a dozen more that I'm bound to have forgotten, just for starters. Presumably there is also an originating figure for Sunni islam and another for Shia islam, so we should include those in the Islam section along with Wallace D Fard Mohammed (found of the Nation of Islam). Hinduism is going to get very messy as we'll have to detail each and every sect.
 * Of course, this will also mean that we end up with all sorts of edit war silliness as person A decides that historical figure X is not a true Christian/Muslim/Hindu/Jew/Buddhist and what should be a nice, concise and inarguable article becomes a behemoth of edit war fodder simply because someone has decided that Joseph Smith requires his own special mention.
 * In conclusion, this article SHOULD be about the key common founding figure to the overall religion (e.g. Jesus for Christianity, Mohammed for Islam). I would imagine that most people who aren't Mormons and haven't watched South Park have no idea who Joseph Smith even is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.161.212.40 (talk) 09:31, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Works for me. Editor2020 (talk) 01:26, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Ghost Dance as world religion?
I'd never heard of "Ghost dance" - I certainly don't think a new age movement qualifies as a "world religion". Should be removed I think.Gymnophoria (talk) 15:59, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Known Hoaxes in Christian Section
Editor2020,

I reverted you for 2 reasons. The first is that you are pushing fringe theories WP:FRINGE based on references from unreliable sources WP:RS (despite even those sources clearly stating the theory was exposed as fraud / hoax) without clearly stating that it's a hoax. Secondly, you are citing content on Wikipedia as a reference WP:Circular.

The bit about Jesus Christ becoming a garlic farmer in Japan is a proven hoax which even the reference used agrees with (in between marketing selling points). The grave of Jesus was created in 1935 to enrich a powerful local family and generate tourist revenue by claiming they found documents that Jesus wrote during his stint as an onion farmer (documents proven as fake).

Professor Kawamorita, a mainstream Japanese academic, wrote in "Research on the Hebrew Song Words in Japan", about the birth of this hoax:


 * "During the summer of 1935, when I set foot in Herai, the Tomb of Christ did not exist yet [...] I have nothing in common with Kyomaro Takeuchi, who posed as an oracle and a remote descendant of Sukune Takeuchi, and his group [...] who created that "Christ's Grave" fantasy in Herai, and I refuse to bear that responsibility."

Please create a new page if you wish to list fictional burial places of founders of world religions created through clever marketing to improve tourism revenues. Cheers! Meishern (talk) 09:02, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

NPOV
Recent edits of the section on Judaism brought to my notice that the language used mentioning a grave for Moses is written in a way that has us state that there is an actual burial place. We should only use such language when there is no dispute as to the historical reality of the character. Doug Weller talk 05:59, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

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Sri Aurobindo?
I am not finding anything about Sri Aurobindo in the article. I imagine he must have died in Auroville (an enclosure within Pondicherry), but am not sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.245.189.172 (talk) 22:00, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Change the name of article
Its insulting to assume Hindus, Buddhist, Jains and Sikh's were buried. Applying this Abrahmic convention to all religion, specially to the Indian-origin "dhrama/dharmic" is POV and derogatory. Imagine the horror of followers of islam or christianity if the article title is changed to "cremation grounds of the founders of religions", you could be killed for it, literally. Luckily Hindus and Buddhists do not go around killing people for such mistakes. Just change the article name to a religion-neutral term such as by replacing "burial" with the "final resting place" or some such terms. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 18:11, 12 March 2018 (UTC)