Talk:List of bus routes in Manhattan/Archive 1

New York City Omnibus Corporation
These old maps provide most of the information.

--NE2 14:40, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Surface Transportation Corporation
The 10th Avenue Line (M105) was abandoned early. --NE2 14:05, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

All M- numbers
It appears that M- numbers were assigned to all routes, even the NYCO routes with their own numbering. I bet these were franchise numbers assigned by the city, assigned roughly in order of bustitution. The Fifth Avenue Coach Company, which got approval through the state legislature rather than the city, did not have these numbers. The routes were still using the old numbers in 1971, unless the New York Times was slow to change: --NE2 13:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Not all franchise routes were included in this list. A few were sections assigned to Fifth Avenue Coach Company; others were overlooked franchises (i.e. the three TB subroutes of New York City Omnibus).


 * {| class=wikitable

!# !Company !Route !Other # !1974 # !Notes
 * M-26
 * FACCo
 * Penn Sta
 * Part of M4?
 * M-27
 * FACCo
 * Broadway
 * M-28
 * FACCo
 * St. Nicholas
 * Part of M3
 * M-29
 * FACCo
 * Edgecombe
 * Part of M2
 * M-30
 * FACCo
 * E. 9th-10th
 * M-31
 * FACCo
 * Jackson Hts
 * 15
 * M32
 * began 1925
 * M-32
 * FACCo
 * Morningside-Convent
 * Part of M3
 * M-33
 * FACCo
 * Riverside
 * Part of M5
 * M-34
 * FACCo
 * Ft. Washington
 * Part of M4
 * M-35
 * FACCo
 * W. 57th-8th
 * 20 (portion)
 * M28 (portion)
 * began c.1934
 * M-36
 * FACCo
 * Mt. Morris Park
 * M-37
 * FACCo
 * Thompson-Bleecker
 * M-38
 * FACCo
 * E. 57th
 * 20 (portion)
 * M28 (portion)
 * began c.1934
 * M-39
 * FACCo
 * E. 72nd
 * 6 (portion)
 * M30 (portion)
 * M-40
 * NYCO
 * Houston
 * 21
 * M21
 * began 1929
 * M-43
 * FACCo
 * W. 57th-12th
 * 20 (portion)
 * M28 (portion)
 * began 1937
 * M-44
 * FACCo
 * Lewisohn Stadium
 * 3, 5
 * N/A
 * M-45
 * NYCO
 * Pitt-Ridge
 * 22
 * N/A
 * began 1935
 * M-46
 * W. 122 Loop
 * M-47
 * 7th Ave. Ext.
 * M-62
 * NYCO
 * Manhattan-Wards Is.
 * TB
 * M34
 * began 1937
 * MQ-25
 * NYCO
 * Manhattan-Astoria
 * TB
 * M35
 * began 1936
 * BxQ-19
 * NYCO
 * Bronx-Astoria
 * TB
 * Bx21
 * began 1936
 * }
 * M-43
 * FACCo
 * W. 57th-12th
 * 20 (portion)
 * M28 (portion)
 * began 1937
 * M-44
 * FACCo
 * Lewisohn Stadium
 * 3, 5
 * N/A
 * M-45
 * NYCO
 * Pitt-Ridge
 * 22
 * N/A
 * began 1935
 * M-46
 * W. 122 Loop
 * M-47
 * 7th Ave. Ext.
 * M-62
 * NYCO
 * Manhattan-Wards Is.
 * TB
 * M34
 * began 1937
 * MQ-25
 * NYCO
 * Manhattan-Astoria
 * TB
 * M35
 * began 1936
 * BxQ-19
 * NYCO
 * Bronx-Astoria
 * TB
 * Bx21
 * began 1936
 * }
 * M34
 * began 1937
 * MQ-25
 * NYCO
 * Manhattan-Astoria
 * TB
 * M35
 * began 1936
 * BxQ-19
 * NYCO
 * Bronx-Astoria
 * TB
 * Bx21
 * began 1936
 * }
 * began 1936
 * }


 * The numbering changes took effect July 1, 1974, so the 49th-50th Crosstown was still M-3 at the time of the 1971 Times article. – Wbwn (talk) 21:22, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

"Family tree"
Information is from.
 * Manhattan and Bronx Surface Transit Operating Authority 1962
 * Fifth Avenue Coach Lines 1956, transferred 1962
 * New York City Omnibus Corporation 1936, changed name 1956
 * Madison Avenue Coach Company 1935, acquired 1933
 * Eighth Avenue Coach Corporation 1935, acquired 1935
 * Green Bus Lines 1933, transferred 1936 (Madison-Chambers and 49th-50th transferred 1935 to Comprehensive Omnibus Corporation - see below): M79 M86 M96
 * New York City Department of Plant and Structures 1921, transferred 1933
 * Triangle Bus Corporation 1935, transferred 1942
 * Hamilton Bus Corporation 1929, transferred 1935
 * Surface Transportation Corporation 1941, acquired 1956
 * Fifth Avenue Coach Company 1897, under common ownership since 1936, directly acquired 1954?
 * Fifth Avenue Transportation Company 1886, reorg. 1897


 * New York City Transit Authority 1953: M9 M15 M22 M27 M31 M50 M66
 * New York City Board of Transportation 1948, transferred 1953
 * East Side Omnibus Corporation 1933, transferred 1948: M15 M31
 * Comprehensive Omnibus Corporation 1933, transferred 1948: M22 M27 M50 M66
 * Green Bus Lines transferred 1935 - see above: M22 M27 M50
 * Avenue B and East Broadway Transit Company 1932, transferred 1980: M9

Here's a good question
If the Fifth and Madison Avenue Lines were not combined until 1966, what was the Madison Avenue Line's designation from 1962 to 1966? M23, M24, and M25 were free; is there a reason all three were left alone? implies that it may have been the M23 or M25. --NE2 18:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * There were only two routes running along Madison prior to 1966: 1 and 2 (both under franchise M-25).  When the conversions of Fifth and Madison were implemented, both lines' southbound routes were moved to Fifth (the 1 from 135th to 40th Streets, the 2 from 116th to 8th Streets); while of the old FACCo network's routes along Fifth, all but one (the Fifth Avenue-Riverside Drive-Broadway #5 route whose NB route was shifted to Avenue of the Americas a.k.a. Sixth Avenue below 57th Street) had their northbound path moved to Madison - the 2 (because they and the ex-NYCO route shared the same number, thus leading to much confusion, FACCo's 2 became 2A in the latter part of '66 up to 1974), 3, 4 and 15 (later M32, now Q32).  There was no "combination" per se, one avenue's opposite direction path was moved to the other avenue.
 * The "M-23" designation was for what NYCO operated as 5 - Sixth Avenue, which after 1963 was folded into the 6 - Broadway-Seventh-Sixth Avenues route (original unused franchise designation "M-22"); "M-24" was for NYCO's 8/9 routes which, after 1954, were discontinued upon 10 - Eighth Avenue/Central Park West's SB route being shifted to Broadway and Seventh Avenue.
 * By the time of the Fifth and Madison one-way conversions, MaBSTOA had assumed operation of all FACCo, NYCO and Surface Transit routes, thus all of the original franchise numbers effectively went out the window and what was actually used by NYCO in particular, became the standard. –Wbwn (talk) 04:36, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

A bit of information that needs to be added
--NE2 15:09, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. --NE2 18:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Renumbering
The crosstown routes were renumbered between: --NE2 18:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 1983 (M103, M26) - maybe 1986 (M29)
 * 1986 (M42)

Listed by franchise number

 * M1: Madison-Chambers, September 21, 1919
 * M2: Spring-Delancey, September 21, 1919
 * M3: 49th-50th, 1919??
 * M4: 79th, by 1923
 * M5: 86th, by 1923
 * M6: 96th, by 1923
 * M7: 65th, 1919? by 1923
 * M8: Grand, 1919??
 * M9: Avenue B-East Broadway, 1932?
 * M10: Avenue C-Houston, September 21, 1919
 * M11-M15: East Side Omnibus Corporation routes, June 1933
 * I think everything below here was granted a franchise in December 1933.
 * M16: 8th
 * M17: 14th
 * M18: 23rd
 * M19: 34th
 * M20: 116th
 * M21: Lexington-Lenox
 * M22: Broadway-Columbus-Lenox
 * M23: 6th
 * M24: 7th
 * M25: Madison-4th