Talk:List of butterflies of India (Nymphalidae)

Calinaginae
Hi, I created a page for Calinaginae, I thought that this subfamily is so small that all species can be treated in one page. May be a good idea to link all the references in this page (List of Butterflies of India) for Calinaga species to that page(Calinaginae)?→Carlosp420 23:27, 18 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Good idea. We can always split it up later should the need arise.  Rklawton 23:42, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

About the reliability of the present Indian Nymphalid list
Guys,
 * Firstly, thanks for the interest. We (Shyamal, VirenVaz & AshLin) like wikiaurelians messing around with our stuff.
 * Secondly, thanks for the lovely Clipper illustration :). Funny to think of it being from 'abroad' while we're hunting for it in India, lol, ;).
 * Seriously, this list is nowhere near complete, authentic or reliable. Just don't do anything about it or with it just yet. Shyamal (the stub-starter) took a 'quick and dirty' approach. He dumped an Asian list and asked people to extricate extra-limital species from it. IMHO that this has'nt quite worked out as we had hoped.
 * We've now got an older but more reliable list. In about a week's/month's(?) or two, I hope, I'll be dumping an Evans List (Identification of Indian Butterflies, Brig WH Evans, 2/ed (1932), Bombay Natural History Society.) It still works, only the taxonomic review and corrections will be one helluva job. This list is presently totally unreliable (Sorry, Shyamal).
 * Our Papilionidae, Riodinidae and Pieridae lists are reasonably correct and satisfactory to work on or with. You can mess around there. Lycs, Nymphs lists are NOT! Hesperiidae list, I have'nt a clue, will need a closer look to judge that.
 * In the meantime, please have a 'dekho' at some of our recent output :-
 * Common Mormon.Papilio polytes
 * Red Pierrot Talicada nyseus.
 * Spot Swordtail Graphium nomius.


 * By the way as self-appointed steward of Indian Papilionidae, I inspect the ranks of my troops (Indian pap wikipages). So the stubs at top reminds me that this 'soldier' is slovenly and needs to be tackled. So will revert the Papilio (Princeps) krishna butterfly-stub placement.


 * We're spear-heading and completing Paps first while fighting a reaguard action with the other families too. Paps is our proof of concept to the Indian community that an online free/libre/open source field guide to Indian butterflies is relevant, useful, worthwhile and practical. So help us out first with Paps, guys.

Looking forward to continued interaction on the Indian Butterfly Wikibase.

Regards, AshLin 07:02, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Revised Danaids (Dump ex Evans with some corelation to Gaonkar, Haribal)
Viren, Please Lepindex this list (basically Euploea). From here till end of text. AshLin 13:45, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Only from here to the end of text. Thats all!!! Very small amount of work you've given me.

--- DANAINAE
 * grin* will get down to it after small families in Pieirids. --Viren 04:55, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

* Yellow Glassy Tiger, Parantica aspasia (Fabricius, 1787) * Dark Glassy Tiger, Parantica agleoides (Felder & Felder, 1860) * Glassy Tiger, Parantica aglea (Stoll, 1782) * Parantica luzonensis (Felder & Felder, 1863) * Chocolate Tiger, Parantica melaneus (Cramer, 1775) * Chestnut Tiger, Parantica sita (Kollar, 1844) * Parantica cleona (Stoll, 1782) * Parantica sulewattan Fruhstorfer, 1896 * Parantica toxopei Nieuwenhuis, 1969 * Parantica kuekenthali Pagenstecher, 1896 * Nilgiri Tiger, Parantica nilgiriensis * Parantica dabrerai Miller & Miller, 1978 * Parantica hypowattan Morishita, 1981 * Parantica menadensis Moore, 1883 * Blue Glassy Tiger, Ideopsis vulgaris (Butler, 1874) * Ideopsis similis (Linnaeus, 1758) * Ideopsis juventa Cramer, 1777 * Ideopsis gaura (Horsfield, 1829) * Ideopsis vitrea Blanchard, 1853 * Tirumala choaspes Butler, 1886 * Dark Blue Tiger, Tirumala septentrionis (Butler, 1874) * Scarce Blue Tiger, Tirumala gautama (Moore, 1877) * Blue Tiger, Tirumala limniace Cramer, 1775 * Tirumala hamata Macleay, 1827 * Tirumala ishmoides Moore, 1883 * Plain Tiger, Danaus plexippus Linnaeus, 1758 * Danaus ismare Cramer, 1780 * Common Or Striped Tiger, Danaus genutia Cramer, 1779 * Malay Tiger, Danaus affinis Fabricius, 1775 * White Tiger, Danaus melanippus Cramer, 1777 * Plain Tiger, Danaus chrysippus Linnaeus, 1758 * Euploea magou Martin, 1912 * Double-Branded Crow, Euploea sylvester (Fabricius, 1793) * Euploea phaenareta (Schaller, 1785) * Euploea configurata Felder & Felder, 1865 * Euploea eupator Hewitson, 1858 * Euploea leucostictos Gmelin, 1790 * Euploea westwoodii Felder & Felder, 1865 * Euploea cordelia Martin, 1912 * Euploea eleusina (Cramer, 1780) * Euploea hewitsonii Felder & Felder, 1865 * Plain Blue Crow, Euploea modesta Butler, 1866 * Spotted Black Crow, Euploea crameri Lucas, 1853 * Striped Black Crow, Euploea doubledayi Felder & Felder, 1865 * Euploea eyndhovii Felder & Felder, 1865 * Striped Blue Crow, Euploea mulciber (Cramer, 1777) * Euploea tulliolus (Fabricius, 1793) * Blue Spotted Crow, Euploea midamus (Linnaeus, 1758) * Brown King Crow, Euploea klugii Moore, 1858 * Euploea eunice (Godart, 1819) * Magpie Crow, Euploea radamanthus (Fabricius, 1793) * Euploea algea (Godart, 1819) * Common Indian Crow, Euploea core (Cramer, 1780) * Large Blue Crow, Euploea camaralzeman Butler, 1866 * Euploea latifasciata Weymer, 1885 * Euploea redtenbacheri Felder & Felder, 1865 * Idea lynceus (Drury, 1773) * Idea stolli (Moore, 1883) * Idea hypermnestra (Westwood, 1848) * Idea blanchardii Marchal, 1845 * Idea idea Linnaeus, 1763 * Idea tambusisiana Bedford Russell, 1981 * Malabar Tree Nymph, Idea malabarica Moore, 1877

Genus Parantica, The Glassy Tigers

 * Yellow Glassy Tiger, Parantica aspasia (Fabricius, 1787)
 * Dark Glassy Tiger, Parantica agleoides (Felder & Felder, 1860)
 * Glassy Tiger, Parantica aglea (Stoll, 1782)
 * Chocolate Tiger, Parantica melaneus (Cramer, 1775)
 * Chestnut Tiger, Parantica sita (Kollar, 1844)
 * Nilgiri Tiger, Parantica nilgiriensis

Genus Ideopsis, The Blue Glassy Tigers

 * Blue Glassy Tiger, Ideopsis vulgaris (Butler, 1874)
 * (should be the earlier Danais similis vulgaris)


 * Ideopsis similis (Linnaeus, 1758)
 * As per Evans subspp similis nicobarica is to be found in South Nicobar.

Genus Tirumala, The Blue Tigers

 * Dark Blue Tiger, Tirumala septentrionis (Butler, 1874)
 * As per list, septentrionis is Dark Blue tiger, which should be earliest mellissa (Evans) and later hamata.


 * Scarce Blue Tiger, Tirumala gautama (Moore, 1877)
 * Blue Tiger, Tirumala limniace Cramer, 1775
 * Tirumala hamata Macleay, 1827
 * should have been the earlier Dark Blue Tiger. Then what is septentrionis??

Genus Danaus, The Tigers

 * Plain Tiger, Danaus chrysippus Linnaeus, 1758
 * Common Or Striped Tiger, Danaus genutia Cramer, 1779
 * White Tiger, Danaus melanippus Cramer, 1777
 * Malay Tiger, Danaus affinis Fabricius, 1775
 * As per Evans D. affinis malayana is to be found in Central Nicobars.

Genus Euploea, The Crows

 * Striped Blue Crow, Euploea mulciber (Cramer, 1777)
 * Striped Black Crow, Euploea doubledayi Felder & Felder, 1865
 * $$ Cinnamon Crow Euploea climena
 * Not in the list! Usually all species with common names are in it. As per Evans, three subspp to be found in various parts of Nicobars.


 * Spotted Black Crow, Euploea crameri Lucas, 1853
 * Common Indian Crow, Euploea core (Cramer, 1780)
 * $$ Violet Tipped Crow,Euploea godarti, Lucas
 * As per Evans. Found in Manipur


 * $$ Andaman Crow Euploea andamanensis, Atkinson,
 * In Evans, not in list, has it been reclassified?


 * Long Branded Blue Crow Euploea algea (Godart, 1819)
 * is this the old deione ?


 * $$ Double-Branded Blue Crow Euploea harrisi
 * In Evans,not in list. What is its status??


 * Double-Branded Crow, Euploea sylvester (Fabricius, 1793)
 * Is this the Euploea coreta, the old Double Branded Black Crow?


 * $$ Great Crow, Euploea corus vitrina, Fruh, Bassein R
 * In Evans, Euploea corus is Sri Lankan spp with subspp in India.


 * Magpie Crow, Euploea radamanthus (Fabricius, 1793)
 * is the spelling radamanthus or radmanthus (Haribal)
 * should be the old diocletiana F.


 * Blue Branded King Crow Euploea leucostictos Gmelin, 1790
 * As per Evans, ssp novarae'' only occurs in India, ie,, Car & central Nicobars, NR)


 * Blue King Crow, Euploea klugii Moore, 1858
 * $$ Brown King Crow, Euploea crassa Butler
 * Not in list, in Evans. Two subspp reported in India, as follows :-
 * crassa kollari Felder SIndia - Bengal,
 * crassa crassa Butler, E Bengal -S Burma (?? may not be in India today)


 * Blue Spotted Crow, Euploea midamus (Linnaeus, 1758)
 * $$ Andaman King-Crow Euploea roepstorfi, M VR
 * (not in list, but in Evans)


 * Plain Blue Crow, Euploea modesta Butler, 1866
 * In list but not in Evans!!!

Genus Idea, The Tree Nymphs
---
 * Tree Nymph Idea lynceus(Drury, 1773)
 * Malabar Tree Nymph, Idea malabarica Moore, 1877

Editing obsolete lists
Hey, I just realised leaving the obsolete list on page is misleading. Shyamal, just edited it not realising the structured dump ex Evans, etc is on the Talk page. So, I switched the raw dump ex Evans to main wikipage and brought an old cut and paste here for reference by Viren while doing his Lepindexing. Shyamal, Danaus plexippus is the Monarch and not Plain Tiger which is Danaus chrysippus! AshLin 10:32, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Great ! Ok with me. Does the $$ bullet have any special meaning ? Shyamal 11:03, 25 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Seems to be trying to draw attention to missing species. Ok now before I start please tell me what list I'm supposed to taxo. --Viren 11:15, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Quite amazed by this mess, doesnt look like there are any Indians involved in cleaning it up. Did Harish Gaonkar publish an Indian list sometime along with Ackery & Vane-Wright ? (http://www.ucl.ac.uk/taxome/GBIF_Butterfly_Names.pdf) Perhaps he can help. Shyamal 11:26, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * http://www.insects-online.de/frames/papilio.htm Says Gaonkar has a list in preparation. Shyamal 11:29, 25 April 2006 (UTC)


 * OK. $$$ is to indicate species in Evans but not mentioned in your general Oriental Nymph list.

Viren, do the modified dump ex Evans, we know at least, its an accepted Indian list, ie the butterflies are definitely here even if their taxonomy has been reworked up completely. But not until Pierids are completely Lepindexed.
 * Ackery and Vane Wright themselves wrote a complete taxonomic review of the Milkweeds. The book not only gives taxonomy but zoogeographical region-wise distribution lists. Viren should modify my Evans (improved) list by referring to that work. I have already sent details by email. Its available in BNHS.
 * I suggest, we leave Euploea alone except for one or two species accounts till we sort out the Mess! Once we identify the species, we leave the list of species pretty much alone because I dont know if there are any major modifications to the field after that. I suspect doing this will not only sort out our problem, but probably reduce and fix the number of species so that the list is reasonably stable for us to not worry about too much. One problem we could face is where to place legacy info ex Wynter-Blyth and Evans. One approach could be that we dont make species pages, except for Common Crow etc, but keep a large genus page.
 * I could'nt resist sorting out the category mess in 'Butterflies' before I returned to writing mode. Of course it has given me a good look at the territory. Sorry, Viren (wry smile), will get E. core done in two days. OK I got another edit conflict with Shyamal on Commander once again. We seem to have telepathy, dont you think. --AshLin 01:51, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Is the taxonomy of Danaids over?
Good work, Viren. Tell me when the taxonomy is done, so that we can put up stubs. Lycaenid list ex Evans under preparation. AshLin

Taxonomic head-ek
Archduke = Adolias dirtea (Evans) = Lexias dirtea (Oriental list of Shyamal) = Euthalia dirtea (Lepindex).

So one entire genus vanishes! AshLin 09:53, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Aulocera swaha
[[Image:Aulocera swaha ctb.jpg |thumb|[[Aulocera swaha]], Common Satyr] Another satyrid, not in the list ? Shyamal 05:23, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

ID needed
What sailer ? Shyamal 14:24, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Subfamilies
The subfamilies have been organised as per the latest molecular research of the Nymphalidae Systematics Group. On ground it meant creating a new subfamily - Pseudergolinae. AshLin 06:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)