Talk:List of car brands

Rename
I think it should be renamed to "List of active automobile manufacturers", because the second list have all brands ever used. (Jirka.h23 (talk) 10:58, 29 November 2011 (UTC))

Bedfords
The Bedfords are misplaced (should be moved up or indented under Vauxhall). Proffe 23:16, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Are trucks and buses really cars?
Question from a level-3 English user: can we call a big truck and a big bus a car? If we don't - Ukraine's KrAZ and LAZ are irrelevant. But please don't purge the links at all: find the respective lists for them. AlexPU 15:16, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Agree on the merge
I agree on merging the 2 categories. drussel3--Drussel3 00:13, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Disagree on Merge
Two different lists. Manufacturers are not cars. Perhaps the manufacturer's list needs an overhaul, but not a merge into cars. Stude62 17:25, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

No way, the two are quite different lists and must not be merged. Vivek 00:21, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

I disagree on the merge. Actually, I don't see the point of existence of the cars list. All the car models are listed on their brands' pages. For bigger manufacturers there are even categories called "XXX cars" or similar. There have been hundreds of thousands of car models produced, a list listing all of them is irrelevant in my opinion. People tend too look for a specific model either on the manufacturer's page or directly typing in the model name into the searchbox. What's the point of such a list? ImpishGrin 16:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Incomplete?
Down in the United States section at least, there are only listings of sub-companies of major car companies. The name of this list and the first line imply that this list is a complete list of every single model of car ever made, yet it is not. --Cabazon 14:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

The Same Things
List of automobile manufacturers and List of cars are exactly the same things except they both each have different information the other doesnt have. Merge the two for a greater article on the same subject.


 * Agree. The cover the same thing. Merge. // Liftarn


 * This list appears to be a list of car manufacturers as opposed to a list of models.--CharlieP 23:23, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Global view? Priorities?

 * DaimlerChrysler*Despite actually being a German manufacturer, many still see Chrysler as an American marque; thus justifying this listing

Firstly, many *Americans* may make that mistake, I don't think it's such a problem elsewhere. Secondly, since when is it the job of Wikipedia to accommodate ignorance?!

Renaming?
I think a more appropriate name for the list should be "List of Car and Commercial Vehicle manufacturers" ("list of Cars" is too ambitious, since it could never possibly cover every single car model). By the way, from my experience researching this topic throughout my life, this article is the most incredible and "rich" source for relevant information that has ever existed; we should all protect and expand it. Skartsis 09:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Questions?
I have three separate questions for everyone on how this page should go forward:

1) Should assembly (and other) operations of foreign manufacturers be listed separately? For example, Ford is listed under USA and Germany, Renault is listed under France and Argentina. Personally, I think companies should be listed just once, as this list is immense enough already.

2) Should the Chinese notations next to the Chinese brands stay on this page? If the relevant linked page has a link to the Chinese version of that page, I see no reason for the Chinese notation in the body of this page.  It is confusing to have two languages on the same page, plus it is not consistent-- Chinese is only in the China section, plus other countries do not have notations in their native tongues.

3) Finally, what do users think about adding the dates of production of models? As long as all the models are going to be listed, I think it would be another layer of information to list the start and end of production dates, when known.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonX (talk • contribs) 12:11, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

a solution
I have recentley found a French website listing (i think) every car manufacturer to have existed, it lists: The name, country of origin, date of opening and closing of factory.

Hopefully this website can solve this article's incompletion problem, see it at : http://pboursin.club.fr/marques.htm Falcon-eagle2007 (talk) 18:50, 15 February 2008 (UTC)Falcon-Eagle2007Falcon-eagle2007 (talk) 18:50, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

How to split?
Does anyone have any ideas on how to split the list up? I was thinking : Americas, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, Asia, and possibly leaving Africa and Oceania on this page, with country-specific lists for US, UK, France, Germany and Italy.

Any thoughts or opinions on this? SimonX (talk) 17:43, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * My only involvement in the article is in closing the AfD, but I wanted to note that it sounds good to me, although this list should then be moved to a region-specific name. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:10, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

List of car brands or manufacturers ?
I realize this article has gone through many "adventures" and transformations, but we have to perfect it. Some (apparently recent) additions of manufacturers/assembly plants have transformed its logic. Thus, it no more lists car "brands", but it is slowly becoming a partial (since for some countries the list of brands is kept) list of manufacturers, irrespective of the brands these manufacturers produce - which often are foreign brands under licence.

I believe the logic of manufacturers is covered by the Category:Motor vehicle manufacturers of ... Thus, we either leave only car brands in this list, or split it, creating one list for manufacturers and one list for car brands. Skartsis (talk) 06:54, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I suggest this list only contain car brands - not manufacturers as the title is unambiguous as it stands. NealeFamily (talk) 22:47, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

New Zealand: Blenheim and Microbond
Neither make seems to exist. If anyone has any information to verify them, please add.

I contacted the NZ Vintage Car Club and they have not heard of the Blenheim nor is there any mention of the Microbond in books I have come across dealing with NZ's motoring history.NealeFamily (talk) 04:06, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Proposed merger from List of automobile manufacturers
I propose to merge List of automobile manufacturers into this page. I have no idea why there should be two of these pages, and the info on List of automobile manufacturers is much less than the info on List of car brands. Compare for instance the list of Dutch manufacturers on List of automobile manufacturers (only Spyker and Daf...) with List of Western European cars. I believe all information in List of automobile manufacturers is in List of car brands too, and much, much more... It is very confusing to add the same information to two different pages. Thanks. Mark in wiki (talk) 10:45, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I support such a merger. But there's also this list: Lists of automobiles which seems to have some sort of categorization for the whole field, but probably also the many lists have lots of similar overlap as the two lists here.   RedJ 17 (talk) 16:59, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This looks like it's just too much to be able to still oversee it all. First of all, a lot is dependent on your definitions. What's a brand, a marque, a manufacturer? Maybe we need one list (manufacturers) with PSA etc, and one list (marques) with Citroën for instance. And looking at the edit history for these pages, it also seems to me that the lists will probably always remain a chaos. Everybody wants his or her marque mentioned correctly, there are relatively many vandalist edits, and no serious editor will be interested in keeping this cleaned up. Mark in wiki (talk) 08:46, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I think this list should be kept as more a list of margue's. For my country those listed are either minor manufacturers or one-off varieties. There is no other useful list to store this information in. I take your point that this page is prone to vandalism, but that seems to be the case for most lists relating to automobiles. I thnik those with an interest in the topic, especially relating to their own countries will tend to keep their lists tidy. I would prefer the list remains.NealeFamily (talk) 19:57, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No, definitely not! This list is a total mess, and highly un-encyclopaedic. What is a "car brand"? An automotive manufacturer, a car manufacturer, a car make, a car model...? Currently, this list is a mix of all this. Many of the other lists are messy as well, but at least they are based on accepted terminology. "Car brand" is a very unaccepted term, because it is so vague. I would suggest scrapping this list and instead improving the other lists: one for automotive manufacturers (i.e. companies that make anything from mopeds to enormous dumpster trucks used by the mining industry), one each for manufacturers of mopeds, motorcycles, cars, lorries/trucks, buses and special vehicles, and finally lists for makes produced by such manufacturers. Lists of models should never be made, as they would change constantly and be many. many miles long. Models should be listed within articles about specific makes. Thomas Blomberg (talk) 12:37, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thomas, I agree a lack of definition does not help. The logical way forward for this list is to agree on a definition. Deletion of the list is not helpful. I suggest that the list be limited to the marques of car manufacturers. For example: General Motors would fall within a list of vehicle manufacturers and Chevrolet the automobile marque that would fall under this list, but no further down than that - the Corvette for instance would not fall within the list as it is a Chevrolet.NealeFamily (talk) 20:10, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - A motor vehicle marque is synonymous with model, whereas manufacturers are the makes of motor vehicles. They're separate topics. Northamerica1000(talk) 02:04, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Merriam-Webster dictionary's definition of Marque here (scroll down) is defined as "a brand or make of a product (as a sports car.)" However, Oxford dictionaries (see ) defines the word as "a make of car, as distinct from a specific model." It may be that there are slightly different definitions per country, as (if I'm not mistaken), Merriam-Webster originated in the U.S. while Oxford English Dictionary originated in Great Britain. Northamerica1000(talk) 04:25, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Where is Turkey?
Turkey had Devrim and Anadol cars. Böri (talk) 12:45, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Turkey is under List of Asian Cars. NealeFamily (talk) 19:49, 23 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you. (but Turkey is in Europe!)Böri (talk) 16:26, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Turkey is a Eurasian country located in Western Asia (mostly in the Anatolian peninsula) and in East Thrace in Southeastern Europe so technically it is both. However, as the bulk of the country is located in Asia it tends to be listed as such. NealeFamily (talk) 05:59, 29 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The Turks were / are in Europe since 1352. Böri (talk) 09:25, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You are correct and you will find Turkey listed under both continents - Asia and Europe. It could be listed in both lists without being incorrect NealeFamily so I have added a link to Turkey in the European list (talk) 19:28, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Marque
Marque?????? First time I ever heard that word in my life. 14:59, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well we all have to learn sometime. 'Marque' means a top-level car brand. 'Brand' is incorrect as it also encompasses things like BMW M which are not marques and not the subject of this article.Rangoon11 (talk) 15:08, 29 January 2012 (UTC)


 * That makes sense. I guess I just grew up with makes and models. :) Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Japan?
No mention of Japan whatsoever? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.15.254 (talk) 02:53, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Selection criteria
It looks like there has been some effort in the past to resolve the question of brands vs. manufacturers (not that I see a clear answer here) but no effort to answer what our selection criteria are.

At present, there are several hundred brands listed here. Some, like the just removed Baby Buggy, probably don't belong here. Others (Honda, Ford, etc.) clearly do belong here. There are a bunch of nebulous cases hanging around in the middle.

Every list article should have selection criteria. In some cases, these are self-evident: If we are going to have a list of the mayors of Sheboygan, Wisconsin, we would list all of them, even if there are a few without individual articles. In other cases, it is less clear: We certainly aren't going to list every person from Sacramento.

At present, this list includes a random mixture of major brands past and present, notable less-known brands and piles of non-notable brands that may or may not exist or have existed somewhere. Maybe someone customized cars in their garage, sold two of them and decided they were a car brand. Maybe two kids killing time in study hall dreamed of making totally awesome cars with a hood-mounted laser gun and flames shooting out of the back. Who knows. Basically, we have an indiscriminate list. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information.

There is no reasonable way to make this a list of every car brand everywhere ever. Even if there was, there is no reason to believe such a list would be desirable.

Yes, we could limit the list to brands with sources. This would be a slightly different indiscriminate list: notable brands plus any non-notable brands with a source that someone felt like adding (On being honored as the local Key Club's senior citizen of the year, the local newspaper wrote a brief piece about Bob Smith that mentioned that he briefly customized cars with his uncle and called themselves "Krazy Goats.").

The most logical approach, IMO, and a common selection criterion is blue-link notability.

Thoughts? - Sum mer PhD v2.0 21:35, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

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"Active manufacturers" to "Active brands"

 * I propose that we change the "Active manufacturers" subheadings to "Active brands" and the "Fomer manufacturers" subheadings to "Former brands" as this is a list of brands rather than manufacturers. GTHO (talk) 06:22, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per the proposer. 'Marque' would work too for me as in my change to "List of car manufacturers of the United Kingdom". -- DeFacto (talk). 07:00, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment – there is a great difference between the two. I myself was thinking about this. If we choose brands, the list should include only the original companies and add them to the country where the mother factory was initially located. If we choose manufacturers, then all factories producing vehicles, including licenced ones, should be included. I think the current state of the list is closer to the second case. Another idea is to include both in same list, but separating brands from simple manufacturers. FkpCascais (talk) 08:41, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree that brand is not the same as manufacturer. However the page name is "List of car brands". Therefore by definition, the page should contain a list of car brands rather than a list of car manufacturers. Leaving the word manufacturers in the subheadings can only work to confuse the issue. GTHO (talk) 08:08, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I have change the word "manufacturer" to "brand" in all instances. GTHO (talk) 23:47, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Clean-up needed
This article needs some serious cleaning up. It specifies CAR brands. But it contains trucks, tractors, agricultural implements, even bicycle manufacturers (e.g. Sohrab Cycles - whose nearest claim to a car is an auto-rickshaw/tuktuk). Ptilinopus (talk) 12:56, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I removed all the red links, ie: names without articles, which is a start. And yes, I agree that tractor/bus manufacturers should not be in the list.  That might take a little longer to weed out.  Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 20:07, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

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Suggestion to merge
There are 3 Wiki articles about car manufacturers divided by country. There's this one, then there's LList of automobile manufacturers, and then there's List of current automobile manufacturers by country. Maybe we can merge these 3 into 1? Michieliosios (talk) 10:19, 13 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Go for it I say. We could take the opportunity to modernise the terminology used too. Nowadays there can be a lot of difference between car marque, marque owner, car manufacturer, manufacturer owner, etc. -- DeFacto (talk). 10:49, 13 December 2023 (UTC)