Talk:List of chancellors and vice-chancellors of British universities

Omissions
Shouldn't SOAS University of London be in this list? RMGunton (talk) 21:48, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Article Criticisms (Concerning Lack of Relevance To University Power Structures)
If this is going to be limited to universities, then let's put that in the title. Given the number of universities there are, this should be separated by country. --Jiang 20:56, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * And in the US, the President and not the Vice-Chancellor is usually in charge. The table format is unnecessary and unhelpful. --Jiang 18:10, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Bah Humbug Dmn 23:23, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * Same for Canada...the Chancellor is just a symbolic position. She hooded me at graduation, or whatever it is that happened there, but the President does all the real work. Adam Bishop 01:58, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * Yes, the Chacellor may be unimportant but they are the symbolic leader of the university. I see 3 options, and others may see more

1 - Just have symbolic leader 2 - Just have real leader (the person who does most of the work 3 - List both, and tell the reader of the difference.

I like the third because then they get the most amount of information quickly. Burgundavia 23:28, May 11, 2004 (UTC)

The third option sounds best. Although the chancellors job is symbolic, if you look at the list there are some pretty famous chancellors (half the UK's ones are celebrities) so it is of interest Dmn 09:27, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

British?
Surely this should be moved to UK universities? Having the Open University on this list is factually incorrect, as it is a national university, not regional. I thought rather than delete it, the page should be renamed to encompass the UK.


 * It does encompass the UK. Proteus (Talk) 22:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

More on Power
Here are some suggestions :

1) There should be information indicating the names of university *Pro Vice Chancellors* and *TREASURERS*. Given the above section criticising the purely symbolic role of some of the positions referred to within this article, it is obvious what the significance of this info is.  I might add that those who require assurances of moral behaviours would like such treasurers to have had CRB checks, etc... as a minimum.

I will endeavour to add some relevant information along these lines in the future (though I am sure that other money hungry thinkers will do so before I get a chance).


 * Hi there. I've reverted your edit, because the positions you added are by no means common to all UK universities.  Many universities have more than one Pro-VC, some none at all, and the function of a treasurer is often executed by committee, or by some other office-holder.  Please gain consensus here before adding columns to the table. Thank you. — mholland (talk) 15:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think that some of these suggestions created by the above individual are very probably a good idea as they provide a potential route of audit for determining how Higher Education Institutions spend their cash (which, given that UK tax payers are ultimately stakeholders, would seem to be something subject to thorough public and government oversight). I disagree with the assertion that, just because a university does not have (for example) a Pro-Vice Chancellor, that this should imply that there is good reason for not having a table at all - many universities do have a Pro-Vice Chancellor.  Thus the position is common enough to warrant a column entry - where a special omission of such an entry could be included within the table in order to outline those institutions which do not have the position of Pro-Vice Chancellor.  A similarly convincing argument can be put forward for the position of Treasurer, etc...


 * Perhaps your point concerning how it is necessary to "gain consensus here before adding columns to the table" relates to the title of the article "List of British university Chancellors and Vice-Chancellors". One of two possible resolutions seem in order (perhaps it would be best to implement both) :

1) That the article be renamed to "List of British university Chancellors and Vice-Chancellors, and other important Administrative University Personnel".

2) That a separate Article entitled "List of British university Treasurers and Pro Vice Chancellors" be created with the appropriate table entries.


 * In the second case, it would only be proper to link the two articles as they are very much related.


 * It would also seem unreasonable to delete either of the above 2 articles whilst they are in the process of being created and modified as it would take a small time period in order for people to collaborate on wikipedia in order to fill in the missing entries on the table.


 * Surely you have no objections to the above?


 * Given your response above, I think that I will go about creating the article List of British university Pro Vice-Chancellors and Treasurers .  Please do not delete this article - it is entirely reasonable to expect that it will take time to construct the table given the number of universities involved, etc...

ConfusciousSays (talk) 05:52, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Purpose of this list
This list is very much a WP:NOTDIRECTORY compilation. Looks like the current chancellors, and ignores those in the past. (How much more not directory can we get?) Past (and present) chancellors should simply be listed in the articles for the individual institutions. – S. Rich (talk) 04:12, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

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York St John update
It had been stated on this article that Reeta Chakrabarti is a visitor of York St John University. However, that is incorrect. She was the Chancellor designate prior to The Archbishop of York, John Sentamu's retirement so I have now updated it to state that she is in fact the Chancellor. RyanPLB (talk) 13:19, 26 June 2020 (UTC)