Talk:List of characters in Star Ocean: Till the End of Time

Layout, and expansion possibilities.
Zenosaga, I can't say I agree with switching to all right-aligned thumbnails. I put some care into choosing the pixel sizes and so on, and there's an advantage to alternating left and right. Since some of these articles are rather short, images can "pile up" on top of each other, on widescreen laptops, for instance (or just plain old people with small font sizes / high resolutions), and generally look odd. I realize that thumbnails have the advantage that logged-in people can individually set how large they are in their settings, but I highly doubt that most people use that feature. Plus, the alt text / captions are all information-free notes that this is official artwork- hardly something that needs to be featured.

As a more general note for other editors, this article could still be expanded. Luther and perhaps Claire could use a section, and there definitely could be a "Minor characters" subsection that would talk about the random people on Vanguard III, Duke Vox, Blair, etc. Also, the names in Japanese and Japanese voice actors are both incomplete- ideally we should have both voice actors for each entry, and a nihongo tag a la Maria's entry for each character. SnowFire 06:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Zenosaga: Seeing no response, I've gone and reverted it. I've also switched to cropped versions of some of the pictures.  Thanks for uploading high-resolution versions of some of the art (though I hope that's okay, since this is all fair use), but it just seems wasteful to have all that whitespace about in the originals.


 * Again, this doesn't strike me as something much worthy of a huge war; if anyone else has some comments, that would be welcome, but I would point out that there exist list articles in both formats elsewhere on WP (as in, alternating sides vs. all pictures on one side). SnowFire 06:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Moved from Roger's section of the article:


 * It should also be noted that many of Roger's special attacks are based off Mobile Suits from the original Mobile Suit Gundam anime.

Anyone have a cite for this?

Minor or Other main characters?
Is there anything for other characters? Like Farleen, Tynave, Vox, Woltar, Blaire, etc?


 * Not yet, no. Feel free to write something up, bearing in mind that they're probably worth only about a bullet point and a sentence or so each.  They probably wouldn't have their own heading, but be under something like ==Minor characters== .  (An exception may be Luther, who as the main villain could easily deserve his own header.) SnowFire 02:25, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Where is this site?
Hi, yesterday morning this site was online but now there aren't any information of any character. In the main SO: TTEOT article are also no information (only this short text) about the characters. My question is: Will the site come back online? Has it anything to do with editing the new Star Ocean title to the main article? I hope my questions will be answered because the English site is more complex than the German one;) Greetz--Laurana1981 (talk) 08:44, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It was merged to the main article because the topic didn't comply with WP:N and WP:VGSCOPE, two Wikipedia guidelines which regulate the content of the encyclopedia. Kariteh (talk) 08:59, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe some one could copy this site into the main article. I think it was good to have a description for all characters. At the moment some of the major characters are not descriped in detail^^--Laurana1981 (talk) 09:57, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems to be vandalism to me. I don't see any discussion that this article should be merged, deleted or other wise. --Pinkkeith (talk) 15:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Just because you disagree doesn't mean it is vandalism. Remember to assume good faith. I was being WP:BOLD, and other people have the right to revert. So there wasn't anything vandalistic about me merging or someone else reverting. Both edits were legitimate. Kariteh (talk) 08:38, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Disagree with deletion
...since that wasn't a merge, but rather wholesale deletion via redirect.

As best I can tell, the current standards for fiction article on Wikipedia are that notability from outside sources are shown. Fine. However, a core tenet of Wikipedia is that Wikipedia is not on a deadline. If Wikipedia articles were deleted for being insufficient it never would have gotten started. And as I'm sure you well know, Kariteh, quite a few articles on fictional subjects have made Good Article and even Featured Article. This effort is hampered by the fact that many of the sources on things like development and design are in Japanese... but since when does that matter? It'll slow the writing of the article, yes, but as WP:MMM has shown, there's plenty that can be done in the arts in translation. You never know when some driven person with access to that material will come along and make this the next Characters of Final Fantasy VIII.

And "unaddressed" notability tags? You added those tags yourself, and I don't agree at all. I, for one, made a good-faith effort to start stubby sections to show that such material showing notability did exist a year or so ago. There's already an "expand" tag there. It's too bad that no one has done so yet, but that's the way to fix this article.

As a show of further good faith, I noticed that a reception section was missing from before. It should be easy enough to dig up some reactions from English language reviews; I'll try and add that shortly. Development issues, I doubt I'll be able to find much in English, but again, so long as the information exists somewhere (which it undoubtedly does), that's no reason to delete the article. SnowFire (talk) 20:32, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not on a deadline, but it's not a crystal ball either. When an article fails to establish clearcut notability for months, it is legitimate to question whether the sources are really "out there" or if there really aren't any or enough. At some point decisions must be made. Since you strongly believe the sources exist, I agree this article can remain unmerged for now, but we should keep in mind that an article can't remain like that indefinitely if it fails to establish notability. Kariteh (talk) 08:38, 14 June 2008 (UTC)