Talk:List of characters in the Punch-Out!! series

Move to StrategyWiki
This article is probably against Wikipedia's policies. If it really is, then I suggest some of this to be moved over to specific StrategyWiki articles. Parrothead1983 (talk) 04:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Little Mac's SSBM trophy
Why did somebody take down the part about Little Mac's trophy was gonna be in Super Smash Bros. Melee?

Quibble
Doc Louis redirects here, but there's absolutely nothing on him. This ain't right... --Shadow Hog 13:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah he stole the bike —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.249.67.243 (talk • contribs)
 * I meant beyond YTMND fads. There was a whole bunch of information on him, but it was all taken down in favor of redirects that have nothing to do with him. -Shadow Hog 14:32, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Quite odd, at the least.... The page we're discussing sounds more like a strategy guide rather than a Wikipedia page. --Uzzo2 05:12, 28 August 2006 (UTC) 05:20, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. This isn't Gamefaqs.  Why is this page even here?

I know, lol. --Uzzo2 05:12, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Mike Tyson's Punch-Out! was right up there with Mario and Zelda as one of the most popular games of the 80s. Many of these characters appear in several games and other media, so they do deserve a spot on Wikipedia. Especially with thousands of Wiki entries on modern video game characters that have only appeared in a single game with very little or no pop-culture relevance. Many people have edited this page, so I can clean it up to make it sound less like a strategy guide; however describing the fighting styles of each boxer is probably the most important info that can be provided about each of these characters, so it should be included. Pretzolio@yahoo.com 15:01, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Great --Uzzo2 22:09, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Reverted from the ruthless edit done last week and cleaned up the article myself, removing unnessescary "gameFAQs" like info, but leaving some describing the characters movesets. Also added links to each character and the requested profile on Doc Louis. Pretzolio@yahoo.com 23:13, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Heh heh heh... Someone mistook a joke on I-mockery for an actual screenshot. Someone should kill that doc louis image.--Dwedit 08:15, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Which image?! Thanks for clearing up the strategy guide-esque info, Pretzolio. However, nicknames, a plethora of useless adjectives, and random mentions of the game's players make the article seem rather terribly cheesy. I will leave some information intact, however, I will omit the little cheese sprinkled throughout the article --Uzzo2 23:58, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

When it talks about the intro music for the various opponents shouldn't it say clips instead of quotes. I'm not an english teacher but don't quote mean an excerpt from a speech not a small portion of music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.14.203.32 (talk) 04:55, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Doc Louis in Wii Sports
The "boxing trainer Mii" in the boxing-related Wii Sports training games bears a very deliberate resemblance to old Doc Louis. Someone care to mention that, with a more encyclopedic phrasing? --210.49.99.248 14:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Mike Tyson character bio
There needs to be a full-fledged Tyson character bio. I suspect that more of us have played the NES version with him than the one with Mr. Dream (which came out toward the end of the NES's run as the dominant console). Funnyhat 19:59, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Pictures
Why in the world are the headshots DITHERED? Can someone provide clean copies? Alvis 03:47, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

This is weird.
If you go to Little Mac and get redirected to this page, you get a slightly vandalized version of the page claiming Little Mac will be in Super Smash Brothers Brawl. Yet if you go directly to this article, you get the current revision. I cleared cookies and what not to see if that was the case, but it still did it. Anyone else getting this? TwilightPhoenix 01:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

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Image removal
So what exactly is the rationale for constantly removing these images. They are from screenshots that can fit all of the required rationale as far as I can tell. What is wrong or missing?pretzolio (talk) 05:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Apparently there's a dispute going on over whether articles that have a lot of non-free images can keep them. I suggest going through the images and making sure they're all tagged per the 10 criteria in WP:NOTFREE. If they are, then you've got a strong argument to keep them all. I've already done this with two other articles. Buspar (talk) 06:08, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I heard that adding a gallery of not-so-important images to certain articles can be against Wikipedia's rules. Parrothead1983 (talk) 06:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * And that's what seems to be the center of the dispute: what counts as "important" and "not-so-important." I say as long as each individual image is tagged appropriately, then they can be used together without trouble. Buspar (talk) 07:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The only image this article needs is the Doc Louis and Little Mac promo artwork taken from the instruction booklet, because they are the most important characters in the NES Punch-Out!! games. Parrothead1983 (talk) 17:17, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Not true, Doc Louis and Little Mac's importance is opinion and they only appear in one game in the series. Bald Bull, Mr. Sandman and Super Macho Man appear in 3 games. Many characters appear and are referenced in pop culture like Piston Honda in comic books and King Hippo in the cartoon series. Von Kaiser, Glass Joe and Soda Popinski also have many references online. I'd say Mike Tyson is pretty important too, so yes every image has merit and is tagged appropriately as far as I can tell. If there is something wrong with a tag on any one picture, just let me know what is missing or incorrect.
 * Protagonists are the most important. Little Mac is the only protagonist in the Punch-Out!! series that has a name.  And while he has a sidekick name Doc Louis, sidekicks are the second most important.  Parrothead1983 (talk) 06:27, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * A game can also have well known antagonists, though. And if those antagonists appear more often than the protagonists, they should definitely be included. Buspar (talk) 07:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree about the antagonists. This is a series and not about just one Punch-Out game, each character has their own attributes, background story and many have appeared in several games not to mention pop culture. I would argue that Bald Bull is the most iconic character from the Punch-Out Series and King Hippo has the most media appearances, appearing in most episodes of the Captain N cartoon series. If tagged correctly there is no reason to exclude any of the images from this page other than personal preference, so the images should be all put back.pretzolio (talk) 07:51, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Look what's inside the images. There is a template inside each one's summary that causes them to become deleted a few days later.  Why do they have these templates you might ask?  Well, it's because of significance. "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic." Parrothead1983 (talk) 07:17, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The deletion templates inside the images are only there because some guy feels it his mission to delete every image on wikipedia. Under the rationale of the guy who tagged the images for deletion, no video game character image should be present anywhere in wikipedia... or any biography for that matter because no one image of a character or person would or could "significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic"; very few images on all of wikipedia would significantly fit the bill. No real discussion is encouraged or listened to and the guy just tags these things likely without ever reading the article or knowing what 'Punch-Out!!' even is. Regardless the images are significant to the article considering the page in question is a listing of biographies. Each image helps identify each separate and unique bio on the page; granted some characters are more important and well known than others.pretzolio (talk) 11:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Arm Wrestling characters

 * Should this article also include information about the five arm wrestlers from the Punch-Out!! spin-off?Parrothead1983 (talk) 02:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Depends if Arm Wrestling is officially considered part of the Punch-Out!! series. The article used to be titled 'List of boxers in the Punch-Out!! series', but now that it says 'characters'; they could conceivably be added if, of course, there is any existing info on any these other characters to be had.pretzolio (talk) 11:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Unexplained Merge

 * Um... discussion should be made before deleting half the text and merging the text into a new article. Not to mention the merge was poorly done with multiple errors. All of the links in wikipedia to the characters were broken without being fixed. Half the info was deleted without warrant (admittedly some needs to be cleaned up, but not half the text), as more information should be provided than "XXX was in the video game series punch-out"... we already get that part. I can see how someone may want to clean up certain things, but the merge was a hack job. If this merge just HAS to be done, then the vast majority of the info on this page should be included (any text in question should be discussed and or rewritten before deletion). Also the induvidual character links should not be broken either as it breaks all of their multiple wikipedia search links.pretzolio (talk) 21:04, 5 September 2008 (UTC)