Talk:List of chess engine rating sources

Old Comments

 * 1) "engine" should not be caps
 * 2) Unless this is expanded, I think it should be merged with chess engine
 * 3) Using WikiTable seems to make it put the table at the end of the page.  It needs to be a regular table up in the main body. Bubba73 (talk), 00:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) All the references should be dated. Done. GregorB (talk) 19:06, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

First and second place
Should we include different versions of the same engine (e.g. Rybka 2.3.1 and Rybka 1.2)? I've omitted Rybka 1.2 in the SSDF reference... GregorB (talk) 13:22, 24 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Different versions of the same engine now omitted throughout the list. GregorB (talk) 13:54, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Removed Per Elbaek Jorgensen's list
For the following reasons:
 * 1) Hardware used is not specified
 * 2) Time controls used are not specified
 * 3) Does not feature the most recent versions of notable engines
 * 4) Not dated - it's unclear how old it is
 * 5) Not too comprehensive (22 engines and 4620 games - compare with other lists)
 * 6) The games are apparently not available for download

Therefore, not of much use as a reliable source. GregorB (talk) 18:36, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Removed Kurt Utzinger's list
See previous section - same reasons except for #2 and perhaps #5.

Not really removed for now, only commented out. GregorB (talk) 15:28, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Now really removed. Quisinsky's list is on the way; it looks as if it's abandoned. GregorB (talk) 21:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Merge with Chess engine?
After some pruning, there are fewer lists left, but the article could still be expanded somewhat: e.g. how these lists are compiled, what are the most important differences between them, and how reliable are the results. I'm considering expanding it, and then we'll see - if it's not too long, then it's probably best merged with chess engine. GregorB (talk) 20:19, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, as I commented in 2/07, unless it can be expanded I think it needs to be merged, as you say. And perhaps it should be merged even if it is expanded.  Bubba73 (talk), 23:39, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

WBEC question marks
Why question marks in the WBEC entry? I wish Leo Dijksman, the author of the WBEC list, would fix these issues. If by any chance he is reading this... GregorB (talk) 12:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) The list is not dated. I assume that it was formed after the last game in the 14th tournament, but that is not easy to determine.
 * 2) It's unclear how many engines (i.e. versions of engines) participated and how many games were played. The rating list is "pure" (single entry per engine, older/weaker versions removed), but many more games were played. How many exactly is again not easy to determine; there isn't a complete list. At any rate, figures cited are low.

SCCT list
There are many problems with the SCCT list:


 * I can't find an actual web page with this list


 * I can't find the games available for download


 * I can't find the information on hardware used


 * I can't find the information on settings used (ponder, books, TB, etc.)


 * Number of games played isn't particularly high (23,300), which might still be fine if the list included the newest engines, but it doesn't

Therefore I'm removing it from the article. GregorB (talk) 19:34, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

CSS list
Not updated for nearly two years now and not featuring the newest engines, so I'm commenting it out for now. GregorB (talk) 19:38, 18 January 2009 (UTC)