Talk:List of cities and towns in Saudi Arabia

Population
Many of the figures here are incorrent, as per. I'll try to correct what I can. -- Slacker 16:27, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * This reference belong to 1992 . Plus, who trust in governmental statistics these days ? [[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|20px]]   A M M A R   [[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|20px]] 00:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * No, Ammar, these statistics are from 2004 (check the second item on the drop-down menu on that page). They give more accurate figures because they list the population of every municpality within each muhafazah, instead of lumping all the towns within a muhafazah together as if they were one city. There is no compelling reason why the 2004 census figures should be rejected.  Is there a WP policy against using official Saudi census figures??  I await your respone. -- Slacker 00:40, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * ba3dain laish tgool "rvv"? RVV means "revert vandalism", you made me a vandal now? :p. -- Slacker 00:58, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * regarding these statistics that was listed in this Central Department of Statistics and Informations, it shows 1992 populations. From that window, you can choose 2004 statistics from the drop down window..
 * the guy who posted the old version of List of cities and towns in Saudi Arabia has the most correct population till now..
 * Thank you.. Drh104 01:38, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry ostaz Slacer :D the word rvv stuck in my brain so bad :), what i want to say is Don't depend your info source on one reference , take a look at these other webpages and their speech about Riyadh's population:
 * SaudiEmbassy.net - 4.4 millions
 * ArabNews.com - 4.26 millions
 * ArRiyadh.com - 4.5 millions and expected to reach 6 millions by end of 2007
 * proud-2b-saudi blogs - 4.76 millions
 * and there is much more of these websites if you take a quick look across google search . So who do you want to believe ? most of them are official statistics as they say, so take the Newest , the Average and the Believible in the same time. ok boss ? :) [[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|20px]]   A M M A R   [[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|20px]] 05:26, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well one of them is a blog, so that doesn't count. The other three are projections, i.e. predictions about the future.  I think it's more encyclopedic to list census figures as long as you place the date, but if you want to put a projection you should make it clear that that's what it is.  But that's easy for a city like Riyadh, but where do we get accurate reliable figures on al-Hasa, Rabigh, al-Hafar, Abqaiq, etc.?  That's why the census is the best source to go by, and no one can seriously argue against it. -- Slacker 22:54, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * By the way, it's impossible that Dammam has gone from 700k to 1.3 million in just 3 years. The inflated figure is probably due to taking into account the entire Dammam-Khobar area.  That's another reason why we should use the census; it breaks down the figures by municipality so you have a much more accurate picture of where people actually live. -- Slacker 22:57, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It's still Old, and still an Original Research . And yes most Blogs are not Relible sources , i just want to show you these is multi-opinions and researches about populition , as for anything else. See for example: Tokyo's pop. , 12570000 (8520000 in special wards) , there is always conflict between such references. just leave it as it is because its the most common untill now.   A M M A R   12:56, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * How is that "original research"? Please explain. Also, remember that most of the stats you're citing for Riyadh are only projections, i.e. speculatory figures, about the future, yet you're presenting them as established facts.  Census figures are stronger than projections. -- Slacker 17:04, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Original research, is like an information made by a single orgnization. And actully ,the previous sources are not about future facts.   A M M A R   00:56, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * They even say the population of Saudi arabia is 20 millions (2000), while more Relible sources like CIA, Says its 27,601,038 (2007). Do we birth a million kids every year ? hahaha . Anyways there is a serious deference , But for sure the Cia is much more relible and the old and bad research of Census is undependible   A M M A R   01:08, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Ammar, the CIA world fact book is just an estimate, and is probably based on the census to begin with, but forget about that; please explain to me how relying on a government census is original research. Thanks. --Slacker 04:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * For simple reason ; i'll give u an example, If im a government employee, I can distribute a fake information and everybody will believe me. I don't know how to explain to you the meaning of WP:NOR  A M M A R   11:18, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Ammar I know what original research means. I wanted you to explain to me why you thought copying numbers an official government census was original research?  It seems like the opposite of original research to me. --Slacker 17:23, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No no man :) and it still oooold and undependible   A M M A R   18:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, good, so you agree it's not original research, but you don't think the census is a reliable source. 2004 is not that old, as long as you mention in the article that it's from 2004, and the census is more reliable than the guesswork of the CIA Worldfactbook.  By the way, if you compare the 2004 census figure with the 2000 census figure you'll find the increase is consistent with the population growth rate of the factbook.  I think census figures are the most reliable source you can obtain regarding a country's population, and from what I can tell, the only reason you don't want to use them is because you think anything made by the government is unreliable.  I'm not going to work on this article any more (you can put whatever numbers you think are correct, it's not an important page to me), but I'm going to try to get a third opinion on the reliability of government census figures because I'd like to be able to rely on them for other articles. -- Slacker 20:49, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It's not an important page for me either, All what i want to say is CIA is more relible than Government census . Because it's old at least , its a rare-maintain website and every city has too many other better sources.
 * If you like we can erase all the population numbers and only add those cited information . Is that fare enough ?


 * Actully my goal of this page is to add every city, town and village in the kingdom rather than wasting time on population data   A M M A R   00:21, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Top 10 largest cities
How about the sort of largest 10 cities ?  A M M A R    05:31, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Riyadh Jeddah Mecca Medina Dammam Taif Buraydah Tabuk Abha Khamis Mushait

This is final answer ?  A M M A R   13:00, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Hafr Al-Batin vs Hafar Al-Batin
Quick survey, please support or oppose the ''Renaming of Hafar Al-Batin articles into Hafr Al-Batin.  A M M A R    08:55, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * As per its arabic pronunciation the F letter in Hafr is not silent, it is pronounced as Hafar even officially written as Hafar Al-Batin, you can find Hafr Al-Batin also. My opinion is to change it to Hafar Al-Batin. Drh104 09:40, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Characters seperation
How about seperating characters (each char is a section in the article) rather than using the big table ? Please vote Support or Oppose.  A M M A R   06:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

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