Talk:List of collectible card games

Pirates of the Spanish Main
What definition of Collectible Card Games makes you so sure that PSM isn't a CCG? Wouter Lievens 09:25, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * The one that says "you play the game with cards". Punch-outs are not card games. -- Netoholic @ 15:42, 2005 Feb 3 (UTC)


 * Half of the game is about the cards. They contain the stats of the ships and the crew. There is also the aspect of secret cards because some crew and/or treasure can be hidden from other players. Also, the creators market it as a CCG. Wouter Lievens 18:11, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Look at their rules section.  A lot of miniatures games (D&D comes to mind) have cards that display stats. They are not CCGs.  In this case, the creators package it somewhat like a CCG, and market it to the CCG crowd, but it is still not a CCG. -- Netoholic @ 18:26, 2005 Feb 3 (UTC)


 * Is Ani-Mayhem! a CCG? In what ways does its board-game-style position-based gameplay, which deviates from standard CCGs just as much as Pirates, include it but exclude Pirates? (see also: Talk:Pirates of the Spanish Main) --Boco XLVII 21:42, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * CCG's often use a special layout on the playing surface. Until the Ani-Mayhem! guys start cutting apart their cards and building little ships, though, this has nothing to do with Pirates. -- Netoholic @ 22:26, 2005 Feb 3 (UTC)


 * So your issue is with dimensionality of cards? M:tG Unglued has cards that require they be torn into pieces.  Does that make it not a CCG? (what I'm trying to get from you is a definition of CCG) --Boco XLVII 22:38, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * This conversation is honestly getting stupid. You want a definition, go read collectible card game - I wrote quite a bit of it. -- Netoholic @ 00:46, 2005 Feb 4 (UTC)


 * From that page I see that the only rule being violated is the lack of card drawing; all cards begin in play and can later be removed or re-added. About half of the cards in play are face-down, though, and those are randomly located - Explore is the equivalent of a Draw action.  Every other rule of being a CCG is followed.  I suggest you either improve the linked article (not to say it is poorly written, just to say that it is unclear on a definition of CCG, especially one in which this game is not included) or say something relevant. --Boco XLVII 04:52, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The reason this is not a CCG is because this is a miniatures game. The game is played with miniatures. They are stored on cards, but the cards themselves hove no game value other than reference. Therefore, the game is no played with cards; it is not a CCG.

Dragon Storm

 * Dragon Storm (Black Dragon Press)

This is a role-playing game that uses cards extensively, but is not a collectible card game. The players make a big deal about that. -- Netoholic @ 07:21, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Sounds a lot like a technicality or politics, but it is not a CCG as defined by the definition of a collectible card game, correct?

CC & SH Universe

 * CC & SH Universe (CC & SH Games)

No source information, I can find nothing about it. -- Netoholic @ 07:21, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Final Fantasy

 * Final Fantasy IX: Tetra Master (Dino Entertainment/Square Europe)
 * Final Fantasy VIII: Triple Triad (Bandai)

As far as I can tell, these are card games, but non-collectible (sold as a set). -- Netoholic @ 07:44, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Final Fantasy VIII is packaged in boosters of 10 cards each. Cards are numbered for collectibility. Final Fantasy VIII is not sold as a set, but Final Fantasy IX is.

Super Nova

 * Super Nova (Buccaneer Games)

Players draw off a shared deck of cards. -- Netoholic @ 07:44, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

This does not invalidate this game as being a CCG under the definition of a collectible card game. Nowhere in the definition does it say players have different decks. The game is packaged as a CCG, and is collectible in the same manner. Therefore, this should be a CCG by the current definition.

Battle Cards

 * Battle Cards (Steve Jackson Games/Merlin)

Mechanically not much like a CCG. Steve Jackson Games got a lot of ears talking about how this was out before Magic, but may be a bit of historical revisionism? Here is a gameplay description]. -- Netoholic @ 07:44, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Cardmaster Conflict

 * Cardmaster Conflict

Someone's personal programming project. -- Netoholic @ 20:17, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Sandwich Shop

 * Sandwich Shop (CCG Workshop LLC)

Not a notable commercial release. -- Netoholic @ 20:17, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Top Trumps

 * Top Trumps (Winning Moves)

Shared deck, no more a CCG than UNO. -- Netoholic @ 20:17, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Base Ball Card Game

 * Base Ball Card Game (The Allegheny Card Co.)

Need a source for the game rules, but likely a fantasy baseball variant. -- Netoholic @ 20:17, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Topps FantaSports

 * Topps FantaSports (The Topps Company, Inc.)

Need a source for the game rules, but likely a fantasy football variant. -- Netoholic @ 10:07, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Mystick: Domination

 * Mystick: Domination (Anoch Game Systems) (possibly non-collectible)

Mystick is a Customizable game, but comes in two set decks that you can mix. No collectibility on this game at all. -- Century

http://www.wuxiapian.com/ and http://www.animalherders.com/ links to some crap instead of actual CCG. spam?

Wakfu
This game does not appear to ever have been published in English. Siliconcrusader (talk) 05:01, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Alteil

 * Alteil ||2004||?||No

Alteil is a DCCG --Squeezums (talk) 17:48, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It may have been a DCCG, but the source provided showed a CCG as well. Leitmotiv (talk) 20:29, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The archived source doesn't seem to indicate the game to be a physical card game, and the pictured cards are too low quality to determine if it is a picture of physical or digital cards. In researching for any supporting source, I have been unable to find any reference of a physical game aside from the game being listed in the (now defunct) source. Even the game's article calls Alteil an online CCG. Even if this game does exist in a physical format, I think a more concrete source has to be found before the game can be included in the list. --Squeezums (talk) 20:54, 4 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I've continued searching and found a store listing a booster pack. My apologies for posting so shortly before finding a hit. I will be updating the list reference with this new link although it is unfortunately not very descriptive of the game. Hopefully we can find another better reference in the future. --Squeezums (talk) 21:03, 4 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Yeah that source is not the best, but it was exhaustive - with pictures of the cards. I was never able to list all the CCGs they had on that website. I got to the letter C or D and stopped. They had a lot of Japanese CCGs, which will undoubtedly be much harder to verify in English speaking countries, such as mine. The site is defunct now, and to my knowledge, there's no way of pulling up the remaining ones I never got to listing on this article. And there were a lot! This list article would have easily doubled in size.


 * For the record, the photos at web archive, show a 9-card page holder for Alteil. I definitely see physical cards in a 9-card page holder, so definitely not DCCG per that archived source. I think Japan companies made a lot of quick one-offs as flavors of the year - so there is likely tons of these CCGs that aren't documented in English speaking countries. Leitmotiv (talk) 21:20, 4 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I've managed to find the archived homepage of the library used for so many of these sources. Thankfully, it seems like most of the library has been archived intact. I will put a link to the archived library right here (http://web.archive.org/web/20181105113929/http://www.geocities.jp/lib_gov/tcg/tcg_lib_index.html). I've tested a few random entries and all seem to have been archived completely. I am very optimistic that the entire library is archived safely. Hopefully we can work together to continue to pull more games onto this list.--Squeezums (talk) 22:43, 4 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Hey that's what I was trying to look for! Thanks very much. I thought it only archived the pages that Wikipedia had linked to around the time I did my 2018 updates. Glad to see that's not the case. It's a lot to work through, but I will eventually get to it with my other projects that are non-Wikipedia related. I believe the trouble I had before was determining which of these sets were core games and not just expansions of another core game. You see, there are some games that have a core game system that is referred to in a round about way, but the expansions appear as if they're their own thing, but instead all use the core gaming system and can be used with the other expansions. You will see this in the form of IPs, like the Street Fighter card game, or The SNK card game, but both use the same rules and can be used together under some core base game that has it's own separate name - and it is the core game that should receive the only mention, though it could have a footnote stating all the expansions. Leitmotiv (talk) 00:49, 5 November 2019 (UTC)


 * One more set of good news to share. I reached out to the owner of that site. It turns out, the owner did re-host the website at a different host. He said that he has not updated it recently, but he still plans to in the future. Here is the link to the un-archived, currently running webstite (http://libgov.starfree.jp/index.html). And here is the link directly to the TCG library (http://libgov.starfree.jp/tcg/tcg_lib_index.html). Given that resources can be hard to find for this subject (especially for Japanese games) should we potentially create a location at the top of the talk page for listing some of the really useful, but harder to find resources? -Squeezums (talk) 15:01, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Other computer / console games as CCGs
I'm not sure if they're close enough to put on the list, but the following games are based at least partially on mechanics that closely resemble CCGs: 69.85.162.195 21:52, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Etherlords
 * Etherlords 2
 * Metal Gear Acid
 * Metal Gear Acid 2
 * Phantasy Star Online Episode III C.A.R.D. Revolution
 * It's a very difficult line to draw. In some cases one has to make a distinction based on whether the game actually revolves around cards, or just uses cards as a mechanic.  For example, Baten Kaitos uses cards for item collection, for quests, and for combat.  Yet, the cards are just a mechanic, they're not actually the sole activity in the game.  Even so, there will undoubtedly be individuals with different opinions on the subject. -- Slordak 16:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

What exactly is considered an "actively supported" CCG?
There are only three games listed there, but there are still far far more in production, actively supporting and actively played, unless of course there are some set guidelines detailing exactly what "actively" means, but I do not see these anywhere on the page -- so, what exactly is an "actively supported" CCG? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Josh7289 (talk • contribs) 00:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC).


 * That portion was removed from the page. While it is a good idea, it would have to be defined in order to be useful. -- Century


 * I think it would be useful, however, to note each game in the list that has been officially discontinued by the manufacturer. I'm not talking about making a separate section, but just a note or something by the name of each discontinued game.  I think something like this leaves no room for ambiguity, and could be pretty useful. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Josh7289 (talk • contribs) 01:06, 20 March 2007 (UTC).


 * There are many games that have not been officially discontinued, but are obviously not being supported. It's hard to differentiate there.  Then again, there are CCGs like Buffy The Vampire Slayer that are supported by fans, but not the manufacturer. --Century 02:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Garbage Pale Kids
Is there a known page for the "Garbage Pale Kids" collection? If so, why is it not on the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.1.28.249 (talk) 21:14, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Are we talking about the old Garbage Pail Kids from the 1980s? If so, while collectible, they aren't used to actually play a game as defined in the primary article on the subject.  This list is a list of collectible card games, not a list of collectible cards (e.g. baseball cards) or collectible products in general. --Slordak 16:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

bobobo trading card game
there was also a not well known bobobo trading card game.I'll have a source up soon.

Alphabetical Listing
I added an alphabetical listing. I know nothing about Trading Card Games. My seven year old boy is interested, and I am trying to learn. The essential purpose of Wikipedia is to imform the ignorant. Those of us ignorant about Treding Card Games need an alphabetical listing, as the only thing we are likely to know is the name of the game.

Is there something about these games that invalidates my thinking? Nwbeeson 14:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * No, but the distinction between physical card games (games where one owns the actual pieces of card stock), virtual games (games where one "owns" virtual representations of cards), and video games which merely simulate this activity is very important. I would propose 3 separate sortable tables, one for each of these.  With both the release date and title included, one could then sort them as desired. --Slordak 14:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I think alphabetical listings would be more useful than the current sortings, and I also agree that the three separate groups should be maintained. Once it's complete, I'd have the older lists removed, as otherwise it's just duplication of information. -masa ♫  15:11, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Collectible vs. Collectable
Please note that there are two accepted spellings of this word and different companies have used different spellings. Please leave them as they are. --Century 23:32, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Never released in USA
What about those Trading Card Games what hasn't been released in USA? --Szente (talk) 21:30, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

CCGs list as Sorted Table?
Wouldn't it be better to have the list of CCGs in a user-sortable table? This would remove the redundancy of having seperate alphabetical and date-sorted sections, and would make it easier to access the information. Thomasdav26 (talk) 20:21, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

resorting the T section
If no one objects, I'm going to resort the T section. Most the titles starting with "The" such as "The X-Files" should be relisted in their proper section, such a X for The X-Files. The new listing for the X-Files would read: "X-Files, The." When sorting alphabetically and the first word is "the" you should always alphabetize by the second word. Leitmotiv (talk) 06:03, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Leitmotiv (talk) 23:17, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

English language games only?
Should this list include games which have only been available in a foreign language or only games which are/were published in English? -- Siliconcrusader (talk) 05:13, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Any language is fine, so long as you can verify through a language conversion site that it is indeed a CCG. Leitmotiv (talk) 15:21, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

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Where is the list of online collectible card games?
The article says to see the section near the bottom, but I can’t find the section described. Papí • talk 06:23, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

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PEZ Card Game
The references for this game are very week with the only non-wiki reference being the Scrye checklist. The description of the game seems to imply that the game is played with a shared deck rather than each player having their own deck. This deck does seems to be modified by blind booster packs, and the article does call the game a CCG so it may still qualify as a CCG. I'm not certain on the exact line drawn to define a CCG. --Squeezums (talk) 17:14, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The quick answer to your questioning of Pez, is that it's not for us to decide what is and what isn't a CCG. The sources we provide do. The two Scrye guides are pretty much the bible for all CCGs up to 2003. They are also the ones that defined having a common deck versus a personal deck, and they reviewed Pez as being a CCG and not a common deck game ("shared deck" in your words). If you're interested in any of these CCGs cited by Scrye, I recommend picking up the guide book. It's the best, with written descriptions on each CCG, pictures of the cards, and of course checklists. For old CCGs, it is the definitive source of information, and I don't regret picking up my copy - nothing else compares as it transcends being just a price guide.


 * As for what is defined as a CCG, that is heavily sourced on the main collectible card game page. Lot's of different sources, and heavily drawing from the Scrye guide. But suffice it to say, a game must be collectible through booster packs or some other method, and you can't buy the entire game in a small number of purchases. The game must also have some element of strategy to it. With that in mind, Pez meets the criteria. Common deck games don't qualify as CCGs because they're often sold as a complete set, lack the collectible aspect, and the lack of personalizing your own deck may decrease the elements of strategy and collecting. Another factor with collectibility being key, is that there are definitely prototype games of the past that resemble CCGs in some aspect, but for them to be collectible, they had to actually be released in order to be collected, which rules out The Base Ball Card Game by Alleghany (though it fails in other ways too). Leitmotiv (talk) 20:28, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Release dates
The introduction of the page states "Unless otherwise noted, all dates listed should be considered as the North American release date.". Hatalom Kártyái Kártyajáték and Kiválasztottak shows both of it's original Hungarian release, not the North American, I doubt any of them were released in NA to begin with. I've found an English site for HKK, but it was noted due to the massive amount of texts extensive translation is needed to become playable. I haven't found anything about an English version of M*K, and their webshop doesn't deliver outside Hungary at the moment, altough a week ago they noted they are planning EU distribution on their distributor's Facebook. That's why I added the "?" behind the release date, like some of the others have. 85.67.241.26 (talk) 07:39, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The linked cited can be translated by Google. It mentions in late 1994 they came up with the idea and released it in 1995. So the date is not in question. Probably what is needed is a footnote after 1995 stating it was released in Hungary. Leitmotiv (talk) 18:21, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I've added footnotes to both HKK and M*K. I also took the Liberty change the order of publishers of M*K 97-99 Valhalla, 2000-2003 CCG Art, 2004-2014 Két Mágus (AKA "Unoffical Era"), 2014- Két Mágus does the productions and development, Delta Vision is the publisher, M*K is official again. 85.67.241.26 (talk) 07:38, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Leitmotiv (talk) 16:44, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Robotech publisher
The Robotech CCG's publisher links to the Lego theme of the same name, not the page for the actual company. Any idea on how to solve this? (sorry, I'm new here.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.35.76.5 (talk) 18:52, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Fixed! It appears there is no article for Hero Factory yet. Leitmotiv (talk) 18:57, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Best Sellers
there needs to be a section dedicated to worldwide sales. Obviously, Magic or Pokemon are going to be #1, but it would still be helpful, since a google search only shows you ranks based on the site's opinion.2601:346:C201:60C0:B5F2:DF40:9BD3:BCF2 (talk) 23:26, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * That would be a whole new article. Wikipedia operates on cited sources, especially one composed of a list of sales. If you aren't finding anything on Google, chances are such an article is not possible at this time. I also believe most companies don't disclose sales/print runs. Either way, I think it would be a very short list: Magic, Pokemon, Yugioh, with a steep drop-off from there - a list is not very helpful. Leitmotiv (talk) 00:10, 11 July 2021 (UTC)