Talk:List of combat vehicles of World War I/Archive 1

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Accordingly these should be removed. GraemeLeggett (talk) 21:24, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. Agree fully. Kind regards, Cavalryman V31 (talk) 08:47, 21 May 2019 (UTC).

Flipping order
I suggest the order of national section then vehicle type sub-section be flipped, it would eliminate a number of single section—sub-section—vehicle parts of the list. Are there any objections? Cavalryman V31 (talk) 10:58, 21 May 2019 (UTC).

a comment
"....the first ever completed tank prototype" not so "first" "ever" "completed" considering that the turret and other equipment was still missing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.72.100.111 (talk) 03:41, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

a notice
should the titles go alphabetically from armoured cars to tanks?

also to the main description they all are ground combat vehicles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.72.100.62 (talk) 19:27, 24 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello IP, I do not support reordering the sections from their current order. And I do not believe we need to add “ground” to combat vehicles, the page combat vehicle covers that sufficiently. Regards, Cavalryman V31 (talk) 21:51, 24 May 2019 (UTC).

Key
There is a distinct difference between serving post-war and “only” serving post-war, I propose to restore the “only” to the key. Cavalryman V31 (talk) 03:10, 29 May 2019 (UTC).

some information
information about the Harley-Davidson 18-J armed sidecar motorcycle can be found to this source http://landships.info/landships/index.html Specifically "Armed and Armoured Bicycles and Motorbikes"

information about the Holt 75 armored tractor can be found to this source http://www.wardrawings.be/WW1/Files/1-Vehicles/Allies/USA/1-Tanks/Files/Heavy-Tanks.htm

information about the Newton Supply carrier can be found to the source of this board https://landships.activeboard.com

information about the Hamilton tank of the Oakland motor company can be found to this source http://www.wardrawings.be/WW1/Files/1-Vehicles/Allies/USA/1-Tanks/Files/Medium-Tanks.htm

information about the Pierce-Arrow-Mgebrov Armored car can be found to this source https://www.valka.cz/topic/view/169405/RUS-Pierce-Arrow-Mgebrov

information about the Packard-Izorski Armored truck can be found to this source https://www.valka.cz/topic/view/88384/RUS-Packard-Izorsk

information about the Armstrong Whitworth Armored car can be found to this source http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww1/russia/russian_wwI_armored_cars.php

information about the Atherton Landship can be found to the source of this board https://landships.activeboard.com/t5063837/strange-ww1-landship-drawings/

information about the Tritton Chaser tank can be found to this source http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww1/UK/tritton-chaser-whippet-prototype/

information about the Flotilla leader tank can be found to this source http://landships.info/landships/index.html

information about the Foster Battletank can be found to this source http://landships.info/landships/index.html

information about the Gussalli Walking armored fighting vehicle (AFV) can be found to this source http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww1/Italy/carro-dassalto-gussalli

information about the Bianchi Armored car with two versions can be found to this source http://www.wardrawings.be/WW1/Files/1-Vehicles/Allies/Italy/2-ArmoredCars/Files/Armored-Cars.htm

information about the Isotta-Fraschini RM armored car can be found to this source http://www.wardrawings.be/WW1/Files/1-Vehicles/Allies/Italy/2-ArmoredCars/Files/Armored-Cars.htm

information about the Pavesi Armored tractor can be found to this source http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com

information about the Ansaldo Turrinelli Tank can be found to this source http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww1-italy-ansaldo-turrinelli-testuggine-corazzata/

information about the STG Filtz Armored tractor can be found to this source http://www.chars-francais.net

information about the Saint Chamond Bridging vehicle can be found to this source http://modelarchives.free.fr/Bestiaire/FAMM_ARK_P/index.html

information about the Renault FB gun carrier can be found to this source http://landships.info/landships/index.html

information about the Schneider CD supply carrier can be found to this source http://landships.info/landships/index.html

information about the Renault FT supply tank can be found to this source http://landships.info/landships/index.html

information about the Saint Chamond Supply carrier can be found to this source http://landships.info/landships/index.html

information about the Delaunay Belleville 155mm C self-propelled cannon can be found to the source of this board https://landships.activeboard.com/t65593152/delaunay-belleville-stuff/

information about the Saint Chamond Heavy autopropulsion cannon can be found to this source http://modelarchives.free.fr/Bestiaire/FAMM_SPG_P/index.html

information about the Poix Tank can be found to this source http://www.chars-francais.net

information about the Aubriot Gabet Tank can be found to this source http://www.chars-francais.net

information about the Delaunay Belleville 2.5t can be found to the source of this board https://landships.activeboard.com/t34171909/delaunay-bellevilles/

information about the Varlet Tank of 1918 can be found to this source http://modelarchives.free.fr/Bestiaire/Skeltank_P/index.html

information about the Aubriot Gabet Landship can be found to the source of this board https://landships.activeboard.com/t5063837/strange-ww1-landship-drawings/

information about the Berliet Izorski Armored truck can be found to this source https://www.valka.cz/topic/view/88759/RUS-Berliet-skolni

information about the Pilsudski Armored car can be found to the source of this board http://landships.activeboard.com

information about the Liptak PAL wagen (armored tractor) can be found to the source of this board https://landships.activeboard.com/t64175230/austro-hungarian-a7v-vakond-tank-fake-or-not/

information about the Austro-Daimler Spaherwagen (scout car) can be found to this source https://battlefield.fandom.com/wiki/KFT_Scout

information about the Junovicz Panzerwagen can be found to this source http://landships.info/landships/index.html

information about the Romfell Panzerwagen can be found to this source http://landships.info/landships/index.html

information about the Hansa-Lloyd Armored car can be found to this source https://www.valka.cz/topic/view/88772/RUS-Lloyd-Bylinskij

information about the Gonsior-Opp-Frank Panzerautomobil can be found to this source http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww1-usa-austro-hungary-gonsor-opp-frank-war-automobile/

information about the MAVAG Typ AE panzerzug can be found to this source http://landships.info/landships/index.html

information about the A7V Vakond can be found to the source of this board https://landships.activeboard.com/t64175230/austro-hungarian-a7v-vakond-tank-fake-or-not/

information about the Filatov Armored tractor can be found to this source https://www.valka.cz/topic/view/88593/RUS-Filatov-trikolka

information about the Russo Balt Armored car of 1916 can be found to this source https://www.valka.cz/topic/view/88598/RUS-Russo-Balt-1916-Bratoljubov-Nekrasov

information about the Russo Balt Izorski D armored car can be found to this source https://www.valka.cz/topic/view/88573/RUS-Russo-Balt-D-1915-Nekrasov

information about the Russo Balt Izorski Mgebrov D armored car can be found to this source http://landships.info/landships/index.html

information about the Benz Mgebrov Armored car can be found to the source of this board http://landships.activeboard.com

information about the Mannesmann Motoren und Lastwagen AG Izorski Armored truck can be found to this source https://www.valka.cz/topic/view/88584/RUS-Mannesmann-Mulag-Izorsk

information about the Mercedes Armored car can be found to this source https://www.valka.cz/topic/view/88763/RUS-Mercedes-Bylinskij

information about the Zaamurets Armored train can be found to this source http://landships.info/landships/index.html

information about the NSU 3 1.2 PS armed sidecar motorcycle can be found to this source http://landships.info/landships/index.html

information about the Treffas Wagen can be found to this source http://landships.info/landships/index.html

information about the Ehrhardt Halbgepanzerter wagen 5cm flugzeugabwehrkanone can be found to this source http://www.dergrenadier.de/struktur/archiv/panzerarchiv/ww1.htm

information about the Opel Halbgepanzerter wagen can be found to this source http://www.wardrawings.be/WW1/Files/1-Vehicles/Centrists/Germany/2-ArmoredCars/Files/Armored-Cars.htm

information about the Benz-Gaggenau BL10 panzerwagen can be found to the source of this board https://landships.activeboard.com/t62279796/armored-truck-of-benz-werke-gaggenau-built-in-1912/

information about the Daimler Panzerkraftwagen 5.7cm flugzeugabwehrkanone can be found to the source of this board http://landships.activeboard.com

information about the Mannesmann Motoren und Lastwagen AG Panzerkraftwagen can be found to this source http://www.wardrawings.be/WW1/Files/1-Vehicles/Centrists/Germany/2-ArmoredCars/Files/Armored-Cars.htm

information about the Ehrhardt Gepanzerter triebwagen (armored railcar) can be found to this source http://landships.info/landships/index.html

information about the Ehrhardt Panzerkraftwagen 5cm flugzeugabwehrkanone can be found to this source http://www.wardrawings.be/WW1/Files/1-Vehicles/Centrists/Germany/2-ArmoredCars/Files/Armored-Cars.htm

information about the Daimler Marienwagen II gepanzerter halbspur (armored halftrack) can be found to the source of this board http://landships.activeboard.com

information about the Daimler Marienwagen II tankabwehrkanone can be found to the source of this board https://landships.activeboard.com/t43161037/german-half-track-with-anti-tank-gun/

information about the A7V Uberlandwagen (supply carrier) can be found to this source http://landships.info/landships/index.html

information about the Lanz Gleiskettenschlepper (supply carrier) can be found to the source of this board https://landships.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=63528&p=3&topicID=8337814

information about the Duhrkopp (Dur) Wagen (supply carrier) can be found to this source http://www.dergrenadier.de/struktur/archiv/panzerarchiv/ww1.htm

information about the Daimler Sturmwagen can be found to this source ttp://www.wardrawings.be/WW1/Files/1-Vehicles/Centrists/Germany/1-Tanks/Files/Other-Tanks.htm

information about the Krupp Wagen can be found to this source http://www.wardrawings.be/WW1/Files/1-Vehicles/Centrists/Germany/1-Tanks/Files/Other-Tanks.htm

information about the Goebel Landpanzerkreuzer can be found to this source http://landships.info/landships/index.html

information about the Daimler Marienwagen I, Bremer Wagen can be found to this source http://landships.info/landships/index.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.72.100.62 (talk) 08:44, 31 May 2019 (UTC)


 * IP, thank you for compiling these. All of your Landships URLs are to their standard pages, at the bottom of each page is the direct link to that page, that is what we need. Regards, Cavalryman V31 (talk) 10:56, 31 May 2019 (UTC).


 * What's the Reliability of Landships as a source? The general website pages have some sources cited but the general discussion forum is less reliable. In those latter cases we should seek to reference to the sources the discussion posts use, assuming they are reliable. GraemeLeggett (talk) 10:04, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I don’t think any forum discussion posts can be considered RS, the Landships articles appear to be well written although it would be interesting if they were tested at RSN. Cavalryman V31 (talk) 11:34, 10 June 2019 (UTC).
 * Probably 'easier' to look to the sources they quote. If Landships didn't pass RSN then we'd be needing to go to them anyway. GraemeLeggett (talk) 20:49, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * A thought. The St Chamond bridging vehicle that was built is a form of remote controlled tracked vehicle but not an armoured fighting vehicle per se. GraemeLeggett (talk) 10:45, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I would support its removal. Cavalryman V31 (talk) 11:34, 10 June 2019 (UTC).

, do you feel modelarchives.free.fr could be considered RS? Cavalryman V31 (talk) 19:08, 11 June 2019 (UTC).
 * of itself, probably not but one could use it as source eg GraemeLeggett (talk) 22:04, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Daimler Marienwagen II 5.2cm flugzeugabwehrkanone
IP, thank you for this edit which corrected the previously incorrect name on the page, in addition to not being a reliable source the discussion board post you refer suggests this was an improvised post-war mock-up so it should not be reintroduced to the page. Cavalryman V31 (talk) 09:16, 15 June 2019 (UTC).


 * hey "smarty" one, wikipedia is not a reliable source either, all the sources it has are from others!


 * don't try to fool us because you fool your own self!


 * here is wikipedia: http://i68.tinypic.com/i5dkl2.jpg


 * by the way you are wrong again about the halftrack because it was a 1918 construction according to this source: https://landships.activeboard.com/t65619308/a-question-about-a-halftrack/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.75.83.68 (talk) 09:48, 16 June 2019 (UTC)


 * IP, that is not a reliable source and still just speculation. Cavalryman V31 (talk) 10:26, 16 June 2019 (UTC).

List of removed vehicles
I intend to remove vehicles with no Great War relevance, my intended rules for inclusion is conceptual, experimental, prototype, training and production vehicles that were either used in combat, produced or designed during the First World War.

Vehicles I have removed so far:
 * Australia
 * De Mole Τank
 * Austria-Hungary
 * Burstyn Motorgeschütz
 * Austro-Daimler Panzerauto Source subsequently found and vehicle returned to list as Austro-Daimler armoured car Cavalryman V31 (talk) 05:49, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Austro-Daimler Spaherwagen
 * France
 * Charron automitrailleuse 1902
 * Levavasseur Tank
 * Germany
 * Benz Panzerwagen
 * Opel Halbgepanzerter wagen
 * Daimler Panzerkraftwagen 5.7cm flugzeugabwehrkanone (1906)
 * Ehrhardt Halbgepanzerter wagen 5cm flugzeugabwehrkanone (1908)
 * Ehrhardt Panzerkraftwagen 5cm flugzeugabwehrkanone (1906)

I will continue to chip away over time. Cavalryman V31 (talk) 09:18, 21 May 2019 (UTC).


 * hey "chiper"! you continue to "chip" and the wrong ones without even showing a reliable source that proves it, chip away and the ones from your own country and not only from the other countries then! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.72.100.111 (talk) 05:00, 23 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello IP, I think you need to familiarise yourself with WP:V, then afterwards WP:RS, currently every redlink is not verifiable so probably should be removed. Regards, Cavalryman V31 (talk) 05:36, 23 May 2019 (UTC).

8 June 2019
A couple more removals that I cannot find sources for: Cavalryman V31 (talk) 23:57, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * German tanks:
 * Krupp Wagen *
 * Daimler Sturmwagen *
 * US tanks:
 * OMC Hamilton tank †


 * the interwebs tell me that the 'Hamilton' was built by Oakland Motor Car Company, designed by their Mr Hamilton. And that a source for this lies in Hunnicutt's 'Firepower' (Hunnicutt's books are big worthy tomes, and not cheap secondhand. I borrowed one once on interlibrary loan, came transatlantic from a mid-Western state). Whatever the vehicle is called "OMC Hamilton" doesn't look like it would fit wiki naming conventions. On sourcing, I strikes me that a history of the OMCC might cover it. GraemeLeggett (talk) 07:44, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I cannot find anything through Google, but agree the naming (if sourced) is definitely incorrect. Cavalryman V31 (talk) 19:25, 11 June 2019 (UTC).

11 June 2019
A few more: Cavalryman V31 (talk) 19:33, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * French tanks
 * Aubriot-Gabet landship *
 * Delaunay Belleville 2.5t 1916 *
 * Delaunay Belleville tank 1918 †
 * Varlet tank *
 * German armoured cars
 * Opel Halbgepanzerter wagen (again)
 * Russian armoured cars
 * Hansa-Lloyd Panzerwagen
 * Mercedes Panzerwagen
 * Packard-Izorski armoured truck
 * Russo Balt armoured car 1916
 * Russo Balt Izorski D armoured car
 * Russo Balt Izorski Mgebrov D armoured car

13 June 2019
More: Cavalryman V31 (talk) 10:12, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * French SPA
 * Saint Chamond Lourd automoteur self-propelled cannon *
 * French others
 * Renault FB (gun carrier)
 * Saint Chamond bridging vehicle †
 * German others
 * Ehrhardt Gepanzerter triebwagen (armoured railcar)
 * Italian others
 * Pavesi Armored tractor †
 * Russian others
 * Filatov Armored tractor
 * US others
 * Holt 75 armored tractor †

German SP artillery
I cannot find any RS to support any of the current entries, can anyone help? Cavalryman V31 (talk) 18:59, 13 June 2019 (UTC)


 * "removed several that I cannot find sources for" you don't have to because you can't find, otherwise the deletion becomes a bad habit


 * you don't have to delete because you don't know something!


 * no one forced you to participate after all! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.75.83.68 (talk) 23:38, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

14 June 2019
Austro-Hungarian armoured cars: German armoured cars: German SPA:
 * Pre-war prototype
 * Ehrhardt-Panzerwagen M1906 (I believe it same vehicle as the Ehrhardt 7.7cm BAK L-30 below)
 * Cannot find sources
 * Austro-Daimler M1917 Heavy Armoured Car
 * Pre-war demonstrator
 * Opel Halbgepanzerten Wagen (for the third time)
 * Cannot find sources
 * Panzerkampfwagen Daimler-D15
 * Pre-war prototypes (from what I can gather)
 * Daimler Panzerkraftwagen 5.7cm flugzeugabwehrkanone (again)
 * Daimler Plattformwagen Ausfuhrung 1909
 * Ehrhardt 7.7cm BAK L-30 (I believe it same vehicle as the Ehrhardt-Panzerwagen M1906 above)
 * Ehrhardt Plattformkraftwagen-Ehrhardt 6.5cm BAK
 * Cannot find sources
 * Daimler Marienwagen II 5.7cm flugzeugabwehrkanone
 * Daimler-motoren-geselschuft plattformwagen
 * Ehrhardt Halbgepanzerter wagen 5cm flugzeugabwehrkanone (again)
 * Ehrhardt Plattformwagen mit Vierrad-Antrieb
 * Ehrhardt Panzerkraftwagen 5cm flugzeugabwehrkanone (again)

Romanian SPA: Cavalryman V31 (talk) 00:19, 14 June 2019 (UTC).
 * Berliet AA gun

Italian armoured cars:
 * Isotta-Fraschini RM Armored car — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.75.83.68 (talk) 12:21, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

15 June 19
Austro-Hungarian others Cavalryman V31 (talk) 20:07, 15 June 2019 (UTC).
 * Liptak PAL armoured tractor † again

16 June 19
Austro-Hungarian others Cavalryman V31 (talk) 22:56, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Liptak PAL armoured tractor † for a third time

21 June 19
Austro-Hungarian others Cavalryman V31 (talk) 23:38, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Liptak PAL armoured tractor † for a forth time