Talk:List of commanders of the Grand Cross of the Order of the White Rose of Finland

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The list of holders of the Commander of the White Rose with Swords was also presented to my father, Joseph Veltjens, Tasavallan Presidentti, Suomen Valkoisen Ruusun Ritarikunnan Suurmestari, on marras kuun 13 paivana 1942 paattanyt antaa Everstiluunantti Josef Veltjens’ill Suomen Valkoisen Ruusun Ritarikunnan I luokan komentajamerkin miekkoineen. Oskari Mantere Ritarikunnan kansleri

Google Translate (edited by me): President of the Republic, White Rose of Finland Grand Master of the Order, is the 13 of November 1942 have decided to give Lieutenant Colonel Josef Veltjens Order of the White Rose of Finland Class I, Commander of the swords. Oskari Mantere Chancellor of the Order I can provide image of certificate. klaus.veltjens@outlook.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick veltjens (talk • contribs) 06:29, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, Nick Veltjens. Your father received a significant Finnish honour as he became a First Class Commander of this Order. But because he was not made a Commander of the Grand Cross, he should not be included in this list. You can see the classes of the Order on the article Order of the White Rose of Finland. --Editor FIN (talk) 13:53, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Split List of commanders of the Grand Cross, with Collar, of the Order of the White Rose of Finland
Most readers will simply want to read the list of 162 persons who have been awarded the Grand Cross, the highest decoration of Finland. That list will be easy to compile complete and fully sourced. There is enough coverage to meet WP:LISTN as well.

Currently, this list lumps those 162 people together with potentially several hudreds of commanders of the ordinary grand cross. The ordinary grand cross is third in the Finnish order of precdence, so organizing the list this way makes little sense. The scope of all commanders of the ordinary grand cross itself verges on intenable. But in terms of list organization combining the two sets of recipients is a nightmare. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:27, 5 January 2023 (UTC)