Talk:List of compositions by Carl Czerny

Will try to add a few- already have on a temp page but will try to get a few more before I commit- from such sources as I know that I can use without (c)-problems (though I gather that even with lists, paraphrase-instead-of-copy may be sufficient to avoid that at least some of the time; I need to look at the law. So long as it really is a paraphrase and not just a re-sorting of words...) Schissel | Sound the Note! 19:30, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * If I could find a list online somewhere, I could probably write a text processor to automatically put it into the proper form. (I'll see if I can dig a list up...) - Rainwarrior 00:16, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Depending on how true it is that one -can- (as I repeated without thinking, but now that I do think about it..) "paraphrase-without-copy-and-avoid-(c)-trouble"... but I do know that the Library of Congress does give permission to use their records (not their electronic documents, of course, some of which are too recent to allow of such treatment, but their catalog, which contains 384 entries for Czerny, Carl - some for the same recording or score of course, and some contradicting each other, which one gets used to in consulting library catalogs for fun and profitlessness. I'm fairly sure that using many other similar (that is, library-based but not restricted) catalog-y sources would also be ©-free but not as sure as I am about the LoC (if only because of an e-mail exchange).

Hrm. He wrote his opus 849 to serve as an introduction to his School of Velocity, op. 299. Very Stephen Heller (who wrote four sets of études related in a similar fashion, one of which I purchased at one of Ithaca's library booksales.)

Czerny also wrote, in addition to the works I did know about - the symphonies, concertos, ... an offertorium, his opus 155... Anyhow, will continue to look here and there, will mark where I find things so that I can remove them if I can't verify GFDL-usability of info (I expect it all will be), and will check notes here with partial lists etc. too (if that's the best way to do it- might not be...) Schissel | Sound the Note! 04:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I figure that titles of works written by a man who has been dead for more than a century falls into the public domain. (Plus, we can cite the source in a references section anyway... would this be any different than any other citation?) Anyhow, do you know of such an online source? Next time I go to the library I could photocopy whatever the Grove encyclopedia's got on him and type it in by hand maybe (that won't be until I finish the book I'm currently reading)... but if there's an already typed version out there somewhere (I wish I still had access to the Grove Online, don't anymore), I'd rather just hack that than do all that typing. - Rainwarrior 04:42, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * What's this about the Library of Congress though? I'm not sure a catalogue would do well as an electronic source (it would probably be easier to just type it out than parse catalogue entries for published scores). - Rainwarrior 05:00, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

It probably shows how much I still need to learn about copyright. I do know that from learning somewhat about a recent British copyright case (yes, I'm a native-born US citizen) that the judges decreed, that some combination of the need for work, research, interpretation etc. allowed an edition of a score by de la Lande to be copyrightable. So it occurred to me that it was possible at least under the principle of copyright, if not under specific laws, that a card catalog's contents would be copyrightable, since its compilation- that of many a reference work indeed, some much much more than others (the example of the worklist in Sorabji: A Critical Celebration is a very good one) - involved not only work but choices, decisions (not only what to bring in and leave out, but what works were the same as others, what works were the ones referred to in documentary evidence- letters, e.g. - and which probably weren't- etc.!), - one starts to compile the steps in the process and consider why under some notions of copyright a worklist, or a catalog of scores and recordings, or... might be considered worthy of the protection. So I wrote to the LoC and received an answer back that was very satisfactory: the entries I'd be using (descriptions of parts, of scores, of recordings) were free of copyright. (I've put a few more together using the NY Public Library catalog and am fairly sure the same answer would result - possibly from law anyway, again, and especially if entries were described rather than copied from the catalog- but have in the meanwhile selected them out with CATNYP or NYPL tags in my own listing...

I have a fairly large list somewhere (I hope; if it's just in my mind, I have a problem looming) of library catalogs and of online streaming radio stations (and what works by a composer one of the better of those stations - BBC3, Bayern4, Cesky Rozhlas D-Dur, Concertzender Hilversum, RTBF's Musiq3, just for example - play, can give some more of a notion of this or that about their output, I think, or of where to start asking more questions to answer elsewhere (also good...). Or it could just be me playing around. (But then, I learned of some composers from hearing, and reading the listings, of these...) Schissel | Sound the Note! 05:25, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Certainly useful in one way - tomorrow's Rozhlas schedule if you tune in at the right time (it's broadcast twice) the 9th (European time, EDT+6 from my point of view; the first is at about 8pm September 8th, and streaming is by MP3, WMA or OGG), you can hear his concerto in C for two pianos and orchestra, opus 153. (This is the Koch-Schwann recording with Florian Merz conducting the WDR Symphony Köln, and the Köln piano duo. I think I have this work on an earlier recording, not sure- pretty sure I do have it...) They had an interesting Czerny half-hour at one point too, some piano pieces, some two-piano (the wonders of site-specific web-searches). Schissel | Sound the Note! 05:34, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Complete list
Here is a nearly full list of works. --Funper 19:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Piano sonata no. 2
is, indeed, opus 13 in the information to the recording I know of, and opus 15 in the published score though I may just be misreading that 3 into a 5 after all, and so (not joking...) may have been the person who scanned and uploaded the work into IMSLP.org. A puzzlement. If someone has a suggestion? Maybe it is a misprint in the score... Schissel | Sound the Note! 15:29, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

According to a Pianophilia forum webpage
There is a Czerny almost-complete works PDF here--



which may be what the person above was attempting to upload. This would be good to have external-linked to our page, I am very sure (or to Carl Czerny.) Schissel | Sound the Note! 15:41, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Opus 39
Is it possible that Alexander Fesca was meant? (May be clear from the score, if anyone has it.) I'm adding to Frederic Fesca's article now, and would like to make the reference to the op. 39 rondino- if indeed it is on a theme by F.E. Fesca, not A. Fesca - whose dates are different.) Schissel | Sound the Note! 01:51, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

IMSLP
Note: IMSLP's corresponding list is, I think, much more nearly complete. Schissel | Sound the Note! 03:32, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
I’ve just corrected a bit of mischief made back on 9 December 2011. It was the unregistered user's sole WP edit, so we don’t need to bring on WW III. But they should regard this as a warning. -- ♬  Jack of Oz  ♬  [your turn]  04:51, 12 September 2012 (UTC)