Talk:List of concept albums/Archive 1

Metallica's Load?
Could somebody explain to me how Load by Metallica is a concept album? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.107.186.14 (talk) 19:24, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Validity of tags on article
At this time this article is tagged with the following: "Very few or no other articles link to it. Please help introduce links to this page from other articles related to it. Tagged since November 2008." I suggest that most situations it makes more sense to refer to concept albums instead of this article. Therefore I suggest to remove the above tag for list of concept albums. Paulvl (talk) 13:53, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

A little premature
In an attempt to clean up concept albums, I started to get this list together with an eye towards removing everything that couldn't be sourced, and removing most of the list from the article. Someone went ahead and boldly moved the list here already; so, if you're thinking of deleting it, please give it a little time. It's crap right now but, properly sourced, could be viable. — Hello, Control Hello, Tony  18:25, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Seeing how there has been a list of concept albums here before which was much more elaborate yet still got deleted, I don't see the point in this one, either. 90.135.245.96 (talk) 01:51, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Moved from list
These items from the list need specific albums to be included on the list: Once they're included please remove them from this note. — Hello, Control Hello, Tony  23:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Bal-Sagoth
 * Coheed and Cambria's albums follow a story entitled The Amory Wars, a science-fiction story

On the page for Mae's "The Everglow" it says that it is a concept album,but I can't find it listed here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.170.92.123 (talk) 01:59, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Standards
To make this list worthwhile, some standards need to be agreed upon. First, I think every album should have a reference from a reliable source stating plainly that the album is, in fact, a concept album. Second, I think that to be included on the list, the whole album should be a concept album. If it's only one side, that's not an album—it's more like a suite. Similarly, an album loosely based around a central theme is not really a concept album (e.g. Styx's The Grand Illusion vs. Kilroy Was Here, which is a concept album). I'd like to get consensus on this so please weigh in with your opinion, and any other suggestions. — Hello, Control Hello, Tony  22:37, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It would probably be very informative to read through Articles for deletion/List of concept albums (narrative) and Articles for deletion/List of concept albums (themed), and perhaps find an Category:Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles to give access to the deleted contents. That's what used to be here, but was split and deleted. Will save you having to duplicate some of the work, and protect against a future db-g4. Good luck :) -- Quiddity (talk) 02:15, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Discussion of new albums to be added

 * Michael Jackson - Thriller
 * PJ Harvey - Let England Shake 92.29.146.119 (talk) 21:10, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

...Should this be added?

tsunamishadow (talk) 21:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I think that the Parliament/ Funkadeic music catalog be added. Their albums were almost strictly concept albums. It is almost unheard of that their credit is not given for their many concepts and themes that have touched on many topics such as social inequality and political "bullshit" that has accompanied many people into the 1970's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.60.72 (talk) 07:41, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Kid Cudi - Man on the Moon: The End of Day —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.161.112.218 (talk) 15:48, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Danger Doom - The Mouse and the Mask, I feel like this should be added. Lyrically it is unified by the whole 'Adult Swim' theme.  Plus there are many recurring skits in between certain songs (Master Shake constantly calling DangerDoom in hopes of appearing on the album).  Thoughts? Ckolar612 (talk) 20:56, 27 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Outkast - Speakerboxxx/The Love Below. I think particularly The Love Below side could count as a concept album, telling the story of finding love linked by the interludes. Any thoughts with this one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.152.88.45 (talk) 13:27, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Pet Sounds
Is it really a concept album? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.161.190 (talk) 13:30, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Fightstar
The only concept album i feel is Grand Unification. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.11.35 (talk) 21:35, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Radiohead
Should Radiohead be critized as a concept artist, with Kid A and others on wikipedia? panicpack121 11 July, 2009 (UTC) 2:54 AM

Thom York himself says Kid A is not a concept album. freq32 02:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Clean up
Started massive clean up. Removing everything that has no references and has no clear description of a concept or references in the albums article. This article needs major patrolling. Is anyone watching, how long has the formatting been screwed up at the bottom of the page. Ridernyc (talk) 21:18, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Once again if you add albums without citations I will remove them. Ridernyc (talk) 11:01, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I might start patrolling this article, just because I feel like it. --3family6 19:54, 28 November 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 3family6 (talk • contribs)

Jean Michel Jarre
Most of the albums of this french musician are conceptual. Think of Oxygene, Magnetic Fields, Equinoxe, Revolutions, Waiting For Cousteu, Rendezvous... I think they should be included in the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.111.99.39 (talk) 22:32, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

2112
2112 by Rush is not a concept album, it's just a sidelong epic suite on the first side and then five unrelated songs on the second side. Shouldn't it be removed from this list? fletcherism 26 September, 2011 (UTC) 6:02 AM
 * I've given up trying to maintain this and the Concept Album article, to may people want to list there favorite albums and there is no attempt to build an article through consensus. Ridernyc (talk) 16:16, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I did not know where to post this comment, since there seem to be so many places it could fit.

I agree with Ridernyc regarding the pollution of this list and the "Concept Album" article by people essentially promoting their favorites as concept albums. The problem is that many albums have a unifying theme generated by record companies. One example is Frank Sinatra's many albums, which are "conceptual" only because someone at a record company realized it was better to gather certain types of songs on an album. However, the songs do not complement each other or build a theme, they are merely similar songs or songs of a type. Such albums do not create a concept album.

Another example might well be Elton John's "Tumbleweed Connection," which looks like it might be a concept album, but it is not. The album gathers a number of songs loosely western themed (though many relate to the South rather than the west) and puts them on an album. The album does not contain a true concept. On the flip side, "Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy" is a retrospective of Elton and Bernie Taupin's career, taking specific events from the 1950's to the 1970's, setting them to music, and placing them in chronological order to describe the history of Elton and Bernie.

Getting back to the point, having songs of a style or of a theme does not make a concept album. A concept album needs to have a central point, and the songs on the album need to support that central point in some organized way. Merely saying that an album is about a subject, say, golf, and then sticking a bunch of golfing songs on the album does not make the album a concept album. Could you make a "golf" concept album? Absolutely! If the concept is a professional golfer at a specific Master's tournament, then build songs around that concept...The mental preparation for the tournament, the first hole, the bunker on the third hole, the deadly water hazard on the fourth hole, dueling for the lead on the seventh hole, etc. You see the point. The concept is a specific theme or event, and each of the songs supports the theme and shows a progression from one end to the other.

Before anyone proposes that their favorite album is a concept album, they should ask how each song on the album shows progression from beginning to end, and is it possible to divine the concept from the songs. If you are unable to meet these criteria, the album is probably not a concept album. If you want a standard of measure, try "Days of Future Passed" by the Moody Blues or "Snow" by Spock's Beard. Both are clearly concept albums and it is easy to see why they are concept albums. You don't have to squint or claim "well, it started as a concept album, so that's why it's here." No. It is either a concept album or it is not. If you have to account for exceptions, it is not a concept album. Period.

Lonholder (talk) 17:17, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Frank Sinatra
Frank Sinatra is the real originator of concept album. He recorded about 50 "theme" albums. Where are there? --LordWeller (talk) 12:39, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I looked through the list of albums and found Frank Sinatra's album "Come Fly with Me." Okay, someone wants to propose this as a "concept" album.  Let's look at the songs:

"Come Fly with Me" - I see this as a potential introduction song to a concept. Nice start.

"Around the World" - Okay, we went from flying to the general nature of where we are going, around the world. This beginning is shaping up as a concept.

"Isle of Capri" - Okay, our starting point is an island off the coast of Italy. I still see a progression here, and this song seems to support the first two.

"Moonlight in Vermont" - A bit of a leap, going from Capri to Vermont, but I can still see a possible concept here.

"Autumn in New York" - We are going around the world, Capri to Vermont to New York. The concept still holds.

"On the Road to Mandalay" - We took quite a leap, from New York to Burma, but we are going in the same direction.

"Let's Get Away from It All" - We go from Burma to Bermuda, St. Paul, Quincy, or Nyack? Ummm...suddenly the concept is looking iffy.

"April in Paris" - If the previous song was an interlude, then this song fits a progression. Let's go with it for now.

"London by Night" Wait a moment...we started in Italy, went west, we pop all over the place in "Let's Get Away from It All," and now we went past Italy into France and England. The following songs are not any better, they jump to Hawaii, Chicago, Mexico, and Paris. This album is most assuredly NOT a concept album. It has a very vague theme (travelling around the world), but there is no unifying concept that I can see. This album does not belong on a list of concept albums.

A similar analysis of any album can be performed to determine whether it belongs on the list, though it is time consuming to do so.

Lonholder (talk) 17:33, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Natalie Merchant's Leave Your Sleep
Should be added to the list :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.26.245.249 (talk) 01:00, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

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