Talk:List of countries and territories where Afrikaans or Dutch are official languages

Flaw in the map!!!
Dutch used to be an official language in the former colony of Belgian Congo untill it’s indepedance. This isn’t shown on the map in light Blue color as it’s suposed to. Falco iron (talk) 18:35, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Anyone Reading this able to change it? Falco iron (talk) 15:17, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 10 May 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: No consensus on what the name should be. buidhe 15:00, 5 June 2020 (UTC)


 * List of territorial entities where Afrikaans and Dutch are official languages → List of countries and territories where Afrikaans or Dutch are official languages
 * List of territorial entities where Chinese is an official language → List of countries and territories where Chinese is an official language
 * List of territorial entities where English is an official language → List of countries and territories where English is an official language
 * List of territorial entities where French is an official language → List of countries and territories where French is an official language
 * List of territorial entities where German is an official language → List of countries and territories where German is an official language
 * List of territorial entities where Malay is an official language → List of countries and territories where Malay is an official language
 * List of territorial entities where Portuguese is an official language → List of countries and territories where Portuguese is an official language
 * List of territorial entities where Romanian is an official language → List of countries and territories where Romanian is an official language
 * List of territorial entities where Russian is an official language → List of countries and territories where Russian is an official language
 * List of territorial entities where Tamil is an official language → List of countries and territories where Tamil is an official language
 * List of countries where Spanish is an official language → List of countries and territories where Spanish is an official language
 * List of countries where Arabic is an official language → List of countries and territories where Arabic is an official language

– Simple and concise. And WP:NATURALNESS. WP:Neologism. These are lists of countries not just "territorial entities." Based on the discussion here. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 16:08, 10 May 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Jerm (talk) 17:15, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose as unnecessary and because the rationale given is a non-sequitur. "Territorial entities" is more concise than "countries and territories", and there's no reason not to understand being a country to be mutually exclusive with being a territorial entity. Largoplazo (talk) 18:24, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment regarding the first entry only: It should be "Afrikaans or Dutch" rather than "Afrikaans and Dutch", since there does not appear to be any one place where both are official languages. Station1 (talk) 06:03, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support, easier to understand. Dan Bloch (talk) 01:02, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support more natural title per WP:NATURALNESS. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:30, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose If we want a more natural and more concise title we should move the page to the much more natural and more concise List of places where Afrikaans or Dutch are official languages. Note that the term "official" restricts "places" to administered places, i.e. territorial entities including countries. And since we have a section #International institutions a still better solution might be List of places and institutions where Afrikaans or Dutch are official languages. — This applies to all the other pages discussed here, of course. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 15:58, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:NATURALNESS --Cornellier (talk) 11:47, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support the change from awkward "territorial entities" but Oppose "places" as being too general. "Official language" implies a more formal jurisdiction. Suggest "jurisdictions". --Cornellier (talk) 14:35, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Rules of Procedure. Never change the question during the referendum. — It is not a good idea to change the original proposal when users already discussed and evaluated it, and this happened several times here. Now it is no longer clear which proposal versions users commented, supported, or opposed. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 11:02, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose all. This is getting ridiculous, I doubt very much per NATURALNESS "readers are likely to look or search for" a List of terrritorial entities of anything. We're using "entites" here to mean "some donkey or other that we can't quite pin its tail on" but that is not good enough. "Places" would perhaps serve better as at least being Latin, not Greek. 94.21.219.127 (talk) 00:38, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note Talk:List of countries where Spanish is an official language has responses that would also fit within this RM. CMD (talk) 09:40, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support. This might help as in the Arabic page, territories are already listed seeing as Palestine and a list of other regions and states speak Arabic officially and are not official countries. Toby Mitches (talk) 07:48, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename all under the "List of territories where foo is an official language" format. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 14:12, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose all Territorial entities includes Sovereign states, Dependent entities, Partially recognized and unrecognized territories, Former territories or whatever possible. No need to add country and then struggle to define what a country is.--Ab207 (talk) 19:54, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment No native English speaker use the obscure WP:Neologism "territorial entities" to describe the subjects listed in each article. The term "country" is simple and easy to understand. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 07:48, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support only "places" or "countries", not the awkward and wordy current or proposed titles. Red   Slash  18:58, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose The term places in the proposed titles would have a much broader scope. Its meaning can vary among readers who are likely to have different points of view regarding the status of the territories that are mentioned in those articles. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 10:44, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


 * The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.