Talk:List of countries by beer consumption per capita/Archive 1

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Is this number of litres drank by peoples of different countries an amount per year?
 * Yes; the title is just a fancier way of saying that. smurrayinch e ster(User), (Talk) 06:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

thanx then

...why?...

per capita is latin for per head

I came across this page, then wondered about wine consumption, but there's no comparable Wikipedia entry. I found two separate tables with the data (here and here) on the same website, but I'm unsure of the copyright. It's pretty obvious the data came from elsewhere (there are missing footnotes) but it's not attributed. Any ideas where to get the data or if using it would constitute fair-use? Nathanm mn 15:29, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

At least in the case of Denmark the data seems to come from the National Bureau of Statistics, which makes its data freely available on http://www.statistikbanken.dk

The data for Denmark has since been updated - from 2004 to 2005 the total consumption of pilsner equivalents decreased from 486 000 000 litres to 483 000 000 litres and since the population is around 5.45 million it means that the most recent figure has declined to 88.62 as opposed to the 89 figure listed. Reference: http://www.statistikbanken.dk/statbank5a/default.asp?w=1400 Further interesting figures are available from the Danish industry association of breweries ("Bryggeriforeningen"), which among other things tell us that the Danes annual consumption of beer declined by around 10% from 2000 to 2004: http://www.bryggeriforeningen.dk/print.jsp?o_id=6889 User:Anonymous 10:49 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Generally: it's not clear where these statistics come from, and simply referencing another webpage where it isn't clear where the statistics come from, is really shoddy page. EL Tom 11:53, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I just changed the Kirin supporting source citation to cite the full press release (which includes an explanation of the source of the figures) instead of citing a table contained in the press release. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 05:32, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Not All Beer is Created Equal
This doesn't mean anything. Different countries have differt alcohol %s in their beer. I find this chart to be misleading. --C civiero 03:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with you, but I would think that even if you did take into account the % of the beer, the list would be largely the same.

What exactly do these statistics refer to?
The source would appear to indicate that these stats are for all beer. What does the introductory sentence "... per capita consumption of Kirin beer..." mean? Side note: I'm a little dissapointed that I'm only in 4th place and not in the top three! M0rt 02:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Australia
Australia is starred but there is no sidenote. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.157.176.173 (talk) 05:48, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Darwin´s beer evolution theory
Cannot imagine that, if of any relevance for this country-related article, the claimed world record of Darwin, Australia is based on any facts. The quoted link refers to the first rank in Australia only. AFAIK there are regions in Germany with an at least 200 l/y per cap. consumption. Statistically, it appears more than probable that within these, there exist single cities and towns with notably outstanding consumption. Oliver 194.8.216.50 13:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Deleted content was: Note that Darwin, Australia, has the highest beer consumption of any city in the world at 230 L/y.1

Map error
In the article's map the island of Crete (in Greece) is colored and the island of Cyprus is not. It seems like a mixup since only Cyprus appears in the list and Greece does not. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.6.140.132 (talk) 04:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC).

Inconsistency
A discussion about this page started up on a forum, but people kept noticing that the top countries were constantly switching around. Looks people just want certain countries to look like big beer-drinkers, and mess with the stats. The top 5 should be checked and perhaps posted here for easy re-posting when someone alters them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dario D. (talk • contribs) 08:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

According to the original source (http://www.kirin.co.jp) these should be the stats, but people keep putting Ireland on top, which will probably continue for years, because of jokers. (formatting below is slightly trashed, though it looks right in the editor)

* 1 	1 	Czech Republic 	156.9 	247.9 	-3.2 	3.1 	1,878 * 2 	2 	Ireland 	131.1 	207.1 	-7.1 	2.6 	521 * 3 	3 	Germany 	115.8 	182.9 	-3.2 	2.3 	9,555 * 4 	4 	Australia 	109.9 	173.6 	-7.6 	2.1 	1,678 * 5 	5 	Austria 	108.3 	171.1 	-3.6 	2.1 	885 * 6 	6 	UK 	99.0 	156.4 	-3.6 	1.9 	5,920 * 7 	8 	Belgium 	93.0 	146.9 	-4.7 	1.8 	970 * 8 	7 	Denmark 	89.9 	142.0 	-9.8 	1.8 	486 * 9 	16 	Finland 	85.0 	134.3 	11.7 	1.7 	437 * 10 	10 	Luxemburg 	84.4 	133.3 	-0.5 	1.6 	39 * 11 	9 	Slovakia 	84.1 	132.9 	-8.5 	1.6 	456 * 12 	12 	Spain 	83.8 	132.4 	0.9 	1.6 	3,376 * 13 	13 	US 	81.6 	128.9 	-0.3 	1.6 	23,974

What might have happened if the results were tabulated AFTER St. Patrick's day?

In the Czech republic the St. Patrick's Day is every weekend (by weekend I mean days from Sunday to Saturday) 85.70.33.55 20:42, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, the numbers are annual... --Zik2 (talk) 16:00, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Romania
Somebody could update the Romanian section, Romania has 67,4 ltr. now. Eurocopter tigre 17:12, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 100 ltr http://www.zf.ro/prima-pagina/in-top-10-mondial-la-consumul-de-bere-3053293/ http://www.apropo.ro/cash/economie/suntem-in-top-10-mondial-la-consumul-de-bere-2344573 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.221.98.118 (talk) 17:52, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Per Capita ?
I would like to know exactly whether "per capita" means per every single person, or every single person of "drinking age". This changes quite a few things...


 * in Demographics, "per capita" always means "every single person" - if you can't believe the numbers, just come to us here in Czech and you'll see ... yesterday I had two larger beers (1,2 l) in the evening, one (0,5 l) on Sunday, about ten-twelve (5-6 l) on Saturady (yeah, we had a party :-)), two (1 l) on Friday ... I guess my average is about 1 l per day, which means I drink for one person who doesn't drink; and that is nothing, it is very common for workers to go to pub every day and get four to six beers (2-3 l) in average, so they drink for their whole family ... --62.40.79.66 06:04, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * And I thought my drinking habits were bad when I usually drink 1 to 1.5 l per day. J I P | Talk 22:04, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, this is not a place to speak about your drinking habits. Anyway, the huge amount of beer drunk in the Czech Republic every year is not our pride, but shame. Enjoying good Czech beer is one thing, unhealthy drinking another one. --Zik2 (talk) 16:07, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

See. Tom 12:19, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Christ... I need to get a checkup then. I just did the math and I drink more beer each year than the average Czech by 65 litres!  w00t, team-Ireland.  Erikeltic (talk) 22:57, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Map
Obviously the Greek island Crete is blued on the map instead of Cyprus.

Map also needs to be updated with new countries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.95.201.86 (talk) 18:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Total litres of pure alcohol per drinking-age person
The following may be of some interest to editors of this page: (the last appears to be data from 2005 - see footnote) --70.53.22.158 14:05, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Interesting data. I would be wary of the Luxemburg figures though,for the same reason as their tobacco consumption. People from miles away in the surrounding countries buy their cigarettes and presumably alcohol at the reduced tax rates in the city. Probably worth a google search. Tractorboy60 21:55, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

France

 * L'association des Brasseurs de France estime plus précisément que les Français ont consommé en moyenne 33,7 litres de bière par habitant en 2004. C'est peu en comparaison des 57 litres enregistrés en 1980 selon un rapport de Insee (2004)...http://www.journaldunet.com/management/0602/0602120biere.shtml

This translates as "The France Brewers' Association estimates more precisely that the French consumed an average of 33.7 litres of beer per inhabitant in 2004. Not much in comparison with the 57 litres recorded in 1980 according to an INSEE report (2004)..."

If anyone would care to incorporate this data somehow, I don't want to tamper with your lovely table. Tractorboy60 16:58, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Albania
Somebody left data for Albania and I have asked them to cite the source. If no source in 5 days, I recommend reverting this. Tom 06:54, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I reverted a revision as it was based on a misunderstanding. The Kirin source is for the entire table except France which is backed up by its own separate source, and Albania, which is still waiting, despite me having contacted the contributor. I note that it has been 5 days since the edit, so I will remove the Albania data if no one objects within 24 hours. Tom 19:27, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * This article, departing from the WP:MOS guidelines in WP:GTL and WP:CITE sported a section named Source which contained a bulleted link to a Kirin Company news release. My understanding from this was that the web page which that link targeted was to be considered the supporting source for the entire article. Based on this understanding, I changed a fact tag on the Albania table entry to .  Tom reverted that to fact.


 * I've demoted the Source section to a table footnote, explaining that the linked source is the source of the info in the table unless otherwise noted, and I've moved the cited source for the info about France to a second table footnote.. -- Boracay Bill 01:39, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Very good, perhaps I should have done this before. The fact remains that the Albania data is unsourced, and should now be removed? Tom 19:25, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

US gallons US centric?
I'm an American, but the recent addition of US Gallon conversions strikes me as US centric. I thought about reverting this with a comment and decided to question it here without a reversion. How about 20-oz UK pints? How about 160-oz Imperial gallons? How about just giving measurements in Liters and leaving it at that? -- Boracay Bill (talk) 02:42, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * How is it US centric? Adding a figure for gallons doesn't remove or detract from the figures for their metric equivalents.  That's like saying that roadsigns in Japan are US centric because they include English equivalents alongside the Japanese.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.109.79 (talk) 04:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Slovenia
There is an article on the website of Union brewery in which it says that Slovenian beer consumption is 83 l/yr. But it strikes me odd that Germans(122) and Irish(125) are on top with no mentioning of Czech Republic at all. Also Italy supposedly comes in last with 29 l/yr.

--89.142.133.254 (talk) 12:19, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

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633 mL
Why is it the number of 633 mL bottles consumed&thinsp;?&emsp;I&rsquo;ve never seen a 633 mL bottle of beer in my life&thinsp;; they&rsquo;re usually 330 mL if they&rsquo;re European (or want to pretend to be) and 375 mL or 750 mL if they're Australian.&emsp;I&rsquo;ve also occasionally seen 500 mL bottles.

Are 633 mL bottles used anywhere (and possibly not exported Down Under) &thinsp;?&emsp;Is it a conversion from some US unit that makes sense to Americans?

—Felix the Cassowary 07:23, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I have seen many of these bottles (but 666ml not 663ml) in Italy, Slovenia, Croatia, Poland and other parts of Europe. They are nowhere near as common as the standard 500ml cans/bottles.  330ml cans are rarely used nowadays for beer (except in the USA).--Xania [[Image:Flag_of_Italy.svg|15px]]talk 01:40, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Given the data comes from a Japanese brewery, perhaps that size is common in Japan? --James (talk) 06:31, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure Kirin (the souce of the statistics) use 663 mL bottles. Anders Würtz (talk) 16:50, 2 September 2010 (UTC)


 * None of these are IMHO good reasons for the column to exist. delete —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.247.64.148 (talk) 20:45, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

New Discussion
A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries/Lists of countries which could affect the inclusion criteria and title of this and other lists of countries. Editors are invited to participate. Pfainuk talk 12:08, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

the information in the table (not the map) must be wrong?
According to the table the UK consumption per capita is about 495 litres. The map, however, doesn't show any country with more than about 150 litres consumption. 495 litres would be about 9.5 litres of beer a week (that's around 16 pints a week). This can not be right. Sure, there are some who may drink that amount but most 'drinkers' would only average about 4 or 5 litres a week and that's before we take non-drinkers out of the equation.--Xania talk 01:43, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Table is fixed. A lot of vandalism seems to happen here, so I'm going to recommend/request protection.  It hasn't happened recently, though, so it may be rejected.  I may add more content later, specifically from the cited article.  If you read this, TodorBozhinov, I know you tried to undo vandalism, but originally you undid it in the wrong direction.  Please double check with the cited data on Kirin's website if you disagree with my edits. (signed below -AW)
 * Also, it is unfortunate, but the Kirin page seems to currently (3 Mar. 2009) be the only independent source for this information, as old as it is. Several Google searches ended up looking at pages that cite only Wikipedia, or, rarely, the Kirin data again.  It seems there is more recent data available for a price from a statistics clearinghouse.  That's their business.  I regret I did not save that page, but it tells us nothing new without coughing up about $1900.US. -:-   Alpin Wolf   -:- 10:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Protection request declined. Perhaps we can stay on top of it this time. -:-   Alpin Wolf   -:- 21:23, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Big mess
This article has a big mess. Where is the data coming from? If I look up the reference I see different data. By the way, the data is from 2004 and now it is 2009. And why should be Philipines in the Top 3? And are we talking about 560 Liter per year per person? Come on ... something is messed up. So, I would put in back the data from the references, which is old, but propably the only source we have right now. MrFelicity (talk) 13:51, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * It is indeed a big mess. As of January 24, someone has changed all the numbers so it now claims that several countries drink over 500 litres of beer per capita. That is not true according to any other information I can find, including the reference provided down the bottom of this article. 114.198.40.32 (talk) 11:36, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I've changed it back to how it was before then... 114.198.4.31 (talk) 09:00, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * It is still a big mess. I guess the last good version is the version from 14:46, 17 January 2009. I guess I don't have the rights to change it, but I would prefer to change back to this version. MrFelicity (talk) 18:13, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Fixed. See below. -:-   Alpin Wolf   -:- 10:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Update the data
Perhaps someone could update the table to a more current version. Some 2008 data is available from the same source here. --James (talk) 06:34, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Australia
In my recent addition of a lot of sources, I changed Australia from a very high position (4th) to the bottom of the list. The current figures for Australia come from a reliable source, but they seem indeed to be very, very low. If anyone has access to other recent figures to compare them, then we may be able to establish whether my source was incorrect or not. Fram (talk) 12:20, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That high position comes from a 6 year old Japanese source so it may be that it was that source that was wrong. I would have thought it would have been higher too. I'm doing my best to get back to at least #4. --AussieLegend (talk) 12:52, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I managed to find the source data and it appears that the Herald Sun has misinterpreted the ABS figures. The 4.49 litre figure is pure alcohol available for consumption from beer. The volume of actual beer is much higher at 104.7 litres. --AussieLegend (talk) 13:04, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict, I'm too late!) :-) Different search terms give me e.g. this, which puts it back at 104.7 litre. The very low figire I gave seems to be from a government document that mixes the amount of beer with the amount of alcohol in the beer, discussing the consumption of litrs of pure alcohol per year per Australian. While I know that the Aussies see themselves as tough, I don't believe that most of them really drink pure alcohol ;-) This, while not giving a figure for Australia, also indicates that it should be much higher. Finally, this seems to acknowledge my theory about the confusion, and brings the consumption back to 106.6 litre per person. Fram (talk) 13:07, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The 106.6 litre figure is from 2008. I've added the 2009 figures to the article, although, as you're obviously aware, it all needs updating. Six-year-old date is pointless. --AussieLegend (talk) 13:22, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Sort order is broken
When sorting by consumption, the list is ordered wrong when the citations appear next to the numbers. UK's 99.0 appears at the top. Czech's 158.6 appears below Vietnam's 19 and above Kenya's 12 and Ireland's 131.

I'm not sure what is supposed to be done in this case, but I would think the citations should have their own column. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.175.22.101 (talk) 15:24, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Bavaria
Shouldn't Bavaria (170 liters per person) have an entry? Sure, it is no sovereign country, but... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.145.218.203 (talk) 20:59, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I wish, but sadly no.  Erikeltic ( Talk ) 11:03, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Data
The data in this article is way off. The WHO just released a new report that discounts a lot of what is written here. Take a look at this map too.

We need to update this article. Erikeltic ( Talk ) 13:03, 20 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree that the article badly needs updating, but is there in fact major disagreement with the WHO statistics? Those are expressed as liters of pure alcohol, which means you'd need to multiply by approximately 20 to get liters of beer. For the Czech Republic, the two sources are fairly well in agreement. Also, those stats are for 2003.Jbening (talk) 03:00, 14 May 2012 (UTC)