Talk:List of countries by real GDP growth rate/Archive 1

some figures not correct
some figures in this list are not correct. perhaps the info should be taken from some other source(s). for example cyprus had an annual growth rate of about 3.6% in Q1 2006 instead of 10.6%, slovakia 6.7 instead of 6.0; this was taken from eurostat. better sources would probably be national statistics bureaux or trustable intl. institutions (i wouldn't count the world fac appears two times. What's up with that?

Working on it
I've been changing the numbers for the fastest growing EU member states (Latvia, Estonia, Slovakia) from the Eurostat weppage (pretty reliable cos it get the data from the countries themselves). Anybody knows a better source than the CIA world factbook estimates? Any IMF/World Bank numbers out yet? Best of luck, Michal Lehuta March 23, 2007, 2:42 AM CET PS: Tridungvo - do you know how to add the coloumn? Another question would be - can one easily delete the top Cyprus without having to change the numbers in the ranking for all other countries manually?

gdp real growth per capita
I created a table in excel of the real growth per capita. How do I enter this list into a wiki article?

Real GDP Growth of Macedonia
According to the estimate of the Statistical Office of the Republic of Macedonia, real GDP growth in 2007 is 5,1% and not 4,6%, as it is said in this article. Here is the link: http://www.nbrm.gov.mk/WBStorage/Files/Economis_Indicators_a_1993_20070.pdf (see in the right upper corner) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikolamilevski (talk • contribs) 01:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

5 most on each continent
I have added info. on the top 5 fastest growing countries on each continent, feel free to debate if you think something needs changing! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bezuidenhout (talk • contribs) 22:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Azerbaijan
I noticed that Azerbaijan has been the #1 on this list for long period now and its leaving the competition way behind, so I was wondering whats going on there, how do they do it? Could somebody explain this to me? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 145.83.1.6 (talk) 07:51, 23 April 2007 (UTC).
 * Economic reform, privatization and oil (see: Economy of Azerbaijan). --Van helsing 10:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * They found a lot of oil that they recently started extracting, I think it is supposed to peak in 09, but yeah prev comment is also true, they did do a lot of reforms. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivan ban (talk • contribs) 22:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Bold
Why are some of the countries listed in bold? Heroeswithmetaphors (talk) 05:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks like G8 and BRIC countries. Roughly speaking, the largest and most significant economies. --Tango (talk) 12:37, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

GDP Projections
This article is not about GDP rate projections for 2008 but rather real GDP growth rate of which the latest data we have is for 2007. The 2008 projections values should be reverted to the 2007 values. Thanks. Nirvana888 (talk) 02:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Where's Pakistan, Bangladesh?
There's 200+ countries in there, but where's Pakistan & Bangladesh? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.120.253.157 (talk) 21:01, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Hong Kong
How come there are two Hong Kongs listed there? At No. 64 and No. 80. Can someone take care of that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chadsnook (talk • contribs) 01:35, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

New Discussion
A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries/Lists of countries which could affect the inclusion criteria and title of this and other lists of countries. Editors are invited to participate. Pfainuk talk 11:31, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Comparative decline in growth section
What's the criteria for listing only those three countries? Almost every country in the world is growing significantly slower now than it was a year ago and would fall under that definition. Some countries in Eastern Europe had negative growth in 2008, compared to the year prior when they had the highest growth in Europe. Britain and Japan are declining as quick as America from comparatively higher growth in previous years. China's growth has fallen to a 6 or 7 year low as well. Singapore is in recession. So again, what's the criteria here? What source is it based on? Who decided that only those three countries should be listed? The section seems to be based on someones opinion. Sbw01f (talk) 19:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

All good reasons to improve the section, and as regards sources, the entire article. The category is a good one. If it makes you feel better, I also think the three countries were cherrypicked. That doesn't make the category bad, though. If you show some sources, I will (eventually) do the work of adding the other applicable countries. I haven't allocated as much time to WP as previously, tho. Anarchangel (talk) 19:57, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Libya
Isn't Libya in Africa? I understand culturally they're closer to the middle east, but why in this article are they grouped with the Middle East? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.177.136.7 (talk) 22:10, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Can someone change the "Middle East" category to MENA (Middle East North Africa) because Libya is North Africa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.177.136.7 (talk) 23:43, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

See my comment at....
Talk:List of countries by GDP (nominal)--222.64.18.96 (talk) 05:53, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Central America
It looks like Central America was left out- Instead Panama is incorporated into the section for North America when it is in fact in Central America. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mistajustincredible (talk • contribs) 03:24, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Macau not listed in South and East Asia
Macau (the country with the most real GDP growth) is not listed in the South and East Asia section. I assume it was not listed because it is controlled by China like Hong Kong is, however this makes the list look weird because it does not include the country with the World Rank of 1. If you are going to include Macau as a country in the main list it should probably be added in the other list, so I am going to add it. --Matthew Bauer (talk) 04:42, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

real growth
All the data shown in this article is for REAL growth and not nominal. you should check it again! --Holod 20:12, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

The figure for Polish GDP is incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.121.106.13 (talk) 21:35, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Purchasing power parity
Purchasing power parity is completely orthogonal to real GDP growth rate. Real growth rate of GDP is by definition exactly the same as real growth rate of GDP (PPP). Only practical estimation issues can have an effect (like change of base for example). "Purchasing power parity of real GDP growth rate" is word salad. -- Tomdo08 (talk) 16:06, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

One-year values not so useful
Growth rate values from just one year is not so useful for comparing economies. It would be better to have 5-year and 10-year values. (Or a factor analysis, but I guess that is hoping to much ^-^ ) -- Tomdo08 (talk) 15:46, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to include the 5 year average data on this same page if you're up to the task :) 155.246.138.238 (talk) 21:36, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Five Fastest Growing
Can someone update this section with the 2010 values? CouchTomato (talk) 17:19, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

CIA Factbook
CIA has the last three year info on CIA source for GDP - real growth rate(%)Yakamoz51 (talk) 14:12, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Incorrect statement.
"Europe has had one of the most stable growth rates in the world. The east, in particular, has seen an increase in GDP in recent years. Most countries are growing at a medium speed; however, many smaller countries exceed 7% and grow much faster than their neighbors. Out of the 10 fastest growing countries in the world, one is in Europe." From the looks of it the top European countries have been updated but this statement has not. It seems as if only 3 countries in Europe actually had positive growth in the financial year in question.--27.32.168.222 (talk) 15:53, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

India
Latest GDP growth rates from 2009 have been entered, making India the second fastest growing economy of Asia-Pacific, after China. 6.7%.

ankit 12:48, 17 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ankitsingh83 (talk • contribs)

Why is India's growth rate for 2011? 2011 isn't even over yet. All other countries (according to the "Five fastest growing in each region" section) use figures for 2010. India should be using 2010 figures like all the others.Qwertzy (talk) 00:37, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Turkey
Could someone update Turkey values? http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=201005281600dowjonesdjonline000586&title=imf-lifts-turkey-2010-growth-forecast-to-around-625-from-52 it will be 6.25 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.60.68 (talk) 16:20, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

NOTE: Turkey is usually considered to be in Asia, not Europe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apavlides24 (talk • contribs) 13:17, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Green map is very hard to read
I'm afraid I'm not at all familiar with how to do this, but could someone more knowledgeable please change the map so it it uses something other than very similar shades of green to compare countries? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.115.124 (talk) 12:00, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

China?
Why is China listed twice? Intoronto1125 Talk Contributions  04:38, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism
Recent updates were obvious vandalism, seemingly for political reasons. Someone privileged China and Brazil in the rankings, while keeping old data for most countries. I updated the 2011 list section with factual data, but other sections remain vandalized, with fake data or very outdated. I think they should be removed altogether. 200.174.249.2 (talk) 17:44, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Venezuela
I dont think venezuelan growth is right either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.145.149.75 (talk) 16:29, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

China?
According to the World Bank Chinas Real Growth of GDP is dropping to 9.6%, does anyone mind if I put it in here.

Here's the link

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-02/04/content_7564939.htm

--> I don't agree with you. The above link that you showed is "2008 forecast" not the actual growth rate in "2007". In the wiki page, the numbers are based on the actual growth rate in "2007". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.2.177.93 (talk) 18:22, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

--> The number is correct. China had a bumper year in 2007 with 11.4% growth, their highest in more than a decade. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivan ban (talk • contribs) 22:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

--> According to the recent revision, China's 2007 GDP growth rate is updated to 13.0%

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-01/22/content_10704884.htm

This wiki article needs update to cope with the new figure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.64.114 (talk) 08:19, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't matter as I have already put the latest Chinese GDP growth rates which makes it the fastest growing economy of Asia-Pacific for 2009. CIA list is far to trust and it is not updated that fast. 7.9% is the latest quarterly figure. ankit 12:43, 17 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ankitsingh83 (talk • contribs)

Could anyone calculate the figure of China GDP: China GDP in year 2010 is 5.9 trillion dollars, while in 2011 the figure changed to 7.2 trillion dollars. If anyone calculate the economic growth is (7.2-5.9)/5.9=22%. So in the year 2011, the China GDP growth rate could be 22%.kongshengxin (talk) 06:17, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

West Bank/Gaza Strip
Why are these two regions considered as separate countries here on this list? Though I am well aware of political and religious differences that they have with Israel, they are legally considered part of Israel and therefore do not belong on the list. SweetNightmares (talk) 00:54, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * By "legally" you mean according to Israeli law, not in accordance with public international law. DvK (talk) 19:32, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Argentina
2.6%? that was an estimation made by the IMF in middle 2012 when Argentina saw it's worst momment during the year. Its economy had an important reactivation after that, with an exponential increase of, mostly, automotive, construction, agricultural and textile areas. Argentina's GDP had a growth rate of 4.8% during 2012 fist quarter and it fell to 0.3% during the second quarter, but in the third quarter it reached 3.2% and in the last quarter it was estimated in 5.6%. This makes imposible a total growth rate of 2.6%, this must be closer to 3.5% or 4%. Whait for reliable and concrete facts before qualify any country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.216.6.110 (talk) 17:31, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Philippines
Why do we have two Philippines on the list? At No.34 & No.64. Can someone fix it as soon as possible? The GDP growth rate of the Philippines for the year 2012 is at 6.6% --Miguel raul 13:43, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

is order correct?
I notice that near the end of the list (around 2-3% growth) the order seems a little strange, a number of countries with 2.x% growth come before those with 3%. Am I not reading this correct (in which case this it require explanation) or is the order a little out in parts? YA! It is wrong because the information from wiki and https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2003rank.html are different from each other. someone needs to fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.234.37 (talk) 23:37, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

No, now the order is not correct. Especially after you include the latest numbers from countries which update the CIA list. But to sort them the sorting button at the top of list will do fine.

ankit 12:51, 17 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ankitsingh83 (talk • contribs)

(Added 27 Nov. 2013>>) As of now the order of the listings seems mostly correct--except that the United States is randomly placed at #127 (~2% GDP area) whereas it ought to be roughly #49 (GDP is 5.8%). So long as all of the GDP figures are correct and up-to-date for 2012, all other data seems to be listed properly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.161.240.239 (talk) 11:05, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

India position wrong
India position should be 104 with 3.2% growth. not 6.5%. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.20.219.85 (talk) 15:01, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

India GDP growth in 2012 was not 6.5% it was 3.2%; India's rank is not 34 it was 104; https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2003rank.html]}


 * It looked like someone intended to do a Request Edit | P for partially completed, but made a coding error. Please ping me if the issue is actually still un-resolved. CorporateM (Talk) 17:52, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

US data
The current data for the vast majority of countries is the 2013 set as it is the last complete year. The US data has been cherry picked from a preliminary 2nd quarter result of the BEA which does not show this as being representative as the GDP actually decreased by 2% in the first quarter. Even taking the GDP changes to be +4.6% for the last two quarters of 2014 would only leave it at +2.88%. I would suggest this be reverted to the 2013 value which is actually comparable with the other numbers in the table. byo (talk) 03:17, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Missing India
The list does not contain India, which is among the fastest growing economies in the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.41.107 (talk) 14:40, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Inclusion of European Union flag
Here we can discuss the inclusion or not of the European Union flag on the enries corresponding to EU countries. It would be interesting to know if there is a general anglophone Wikipedia guideline on this.

I oppose inclusion as the first flag is always the sovereign state. Also, a single monetary policy is only established for the eurozone, which does not have a flag. And what of Kosovo and Montenegro, not part of the eurozone but having their monetary policy decided in a way by the same people as for the eurozone (due to their unilateral use of the euro)? Munci (talk) 21:27, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The European Union is a Sui generis political and economic union which possesses some aspects of sovereignty. See European Union which states "some would classify it as a (de facto) federation of states". The union, even for non Eurozone countries, has significant legal and constitutional power over its member states in issues relating to economic and fiscal policy. A countries EU membership is therefore relevant to this list. Adopting a currency does not make a country part of another country or federation. Zimbabwe also uses the Euro. Meanwhile, the British pound is used by several countries including Tanzania and Zambia. That does not make those countries part of the UK. AusLondonder (talk) 02:03, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The EU is described as an "association of sovereign states" in its own article. In the section competences, one finds 'monetary policy' only for eurozone countries.
 * As an aside, the currencies of Tanzania and Zambia are the shilling and kwacha respectively. Munci (talk) 17:14, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is described as such in the article (those words are actually from the German Constitutional Court). It is also described using the words "de facto federation of states". It is completely incorrect to suggest economic and fiscal policy of the European Union applies to the Eurozone only. The EU website states that "EU countries coordinate their national economic policies so they can act together when faced with challenges such as economic and financial crises. This coordination has been pushed even further by the 19 countries that have adopted the euro as their currency. All EU member countries (whether inside or outside the euro) are part of the economic & monetary union (EMU), a framework for economic cooperation designed to promote job creation and sustainable growth, as well as to coordinate our response to global economic and financial challenges. In addition, the most prominent element of the Union is that it is a common market, involving the free movement of goods, services, people and capital. This is why the EU flags are relevant to this list. You are correct regarding the de jure status of those currencies, however, as the Pound sterling article states, the pound is often used in those countries on a de facto basis. Further examples of sovereign states using the currencies of other sovereign states can be found in Palau, El Salavador and Ecuador using the US dollar. AusLondonder (talk) 22:24, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * This is the only page I have seen with such EU flags, in first position to boot. It does not appear to be standard practise on wikipedia.
 * I can not find mention of the pound sterling being used by other countries either on the pound sterling article or on google. The only country (other than the UK) I have found to use the pound sterling is Zimbabwe (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-26034078). Munci (talk) 01:15, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Well if there are no objections, I shall go ahead and remove the EU flags again. Munci (talk) 04:55, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I object, User:Munci AusLondonder (talk) 08:46, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * With any additional argument? Munci (talk) 09:00, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Otherwise, I think we're at a stalemate which could be solved by an RFC. Munci (talk) 09:06, 29 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment: Before I can have any opinion on this, I'd like to see the lead section of the article establish the relevance of both the EU and the G20 to the list, if they want to be included in the actual list. Finnusertop (talk &#124; guestbook &#124; contribs) 05:04, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Third Opinion
A third opinion has been requested. While this is called a list of countries, it is really a list of political entities, some of which are countries and some of which are country-like. For instance, Puerto Rico is not a country, but is listed as if it were a country. The order of the listing of flags is from the highest-level entity (which may be a nation or supranational) to the lowest-level entity (which may be a nation or sub-national). Therefore it is entirely consistent with the listing of territories and possessions, which are preceded by the nation, to have nations in the EU preceded by the EU. An argument can be made that the EU flag is only appropriate for eurozone countries, but I won't make that argument. My opinion is that the European Union flag can stay as it is. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:01, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Population growth in the same year and comparison
Just putting it out here to see if there's any opposition to me adding it: I'd like to add the population growth for each country and compare the GDP growth with the population growth. Basically it would be something like a "List of countries by real GDP growth rate per capita" article, except there's no such article and I don't think it's a good idea to separate them, as many people looking at this list would be interested in comparing it to per-capita growth (IMO). —Ynhockey (Talk) 19:38, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

I just replaced the data. Re: "PLEASE TAKE TO TALK BEFORE CHANGING. THESE FIGURES ARE FROM THE LATEST EDITION OF THE WORLD FACTBOOK"
I read that notice, but I saw that the values actually were not from the latest edition of the World Factbook. The statement wasn't dated anyway, who knows how old it was. I saw edits like "The Gambia is not a G20 country" and unexplained removal of Chad at the second position (I doubt Chad belonged there, but is the solution really to remove it?) The data was from many different years also. What is the point of a comparison if you pick and choose the years you take the data from? This is why I wiped the table and replaced it with the raw data from the CIA. The only value that was lost was the flags, but surely they are not as important as the data? --Ysangkok (talk) 01:13, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Per capita
Shouldn't this be GDP per capita? Once population growth or decline is allowed for these figures would be rather different.Royalcourtier (talk) 03:16, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Error in table
A reader reported that Uzbekistan appears twice #4, and #19, while Pakistan is missing. I haven 't tracked down which source is being used, so I hope someone else can make the fix.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  15:53, 5 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Uzbekistan is 2 times in the list. 2003:6:1178:B225:193F:278C:6E73:ED41 (talk) 16:07, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Canada is number 7 and number 105... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.136.40.153 (talk) 14:10, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Irak is in there twice too, number 6 and number 181. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.193.64.229 (talk) 14:04, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

New Zealand is listed twice, at 23 and 89. --209.87.25.5 (talk) 19:35, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Updating Indian growth rate based on 4th quarter GDP
Hi, Please stop updating the Indian GDP growth rate based on the 4th quarter. That is not for the entire year just a single quarter. There is a big difference between the two. Secondly, this list is sourced from IMF data and only when that is absent, it can sourced from a secondary location. IMF has the growth rate for India at some number and that is what this list should reflect. Please discuss your changes here because I think you don't understand why your edits are being reverted. Adamgerber80 (talk) 19:53, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Edit list
Hello. I have noticed, that first list is sorted very strange. Please, could You look on It and edit this sorting bug? Thank You. Cassa342 (talk) 14:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

New rate
Hello, can I atleast change the figures from 2020 to 2021, from the IMF report ? S882iiqu2ey6 (talk) 17:33, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

2023 Q1
For January-April 2023 these are annual extensions, or the growth in just these 4 months is given? 95.24.69.191 (talk) 09:57, 20 May 2023 (UTC)