Talk:List of countries by renewable electricity production/Archive 1

Comment
Please add more countries and more data to complete this list. Calvingao (talk) 02:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Expand associated articles
The table shows gaps in the coverage of this topic. The associated articles need creation or expanding. Once this is done all the refs can got to the articles. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 21:41, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

New Discussion
A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries/Lists of countries which could affect the inclusion criteria and title of this and other lists of countries. Editors are invited to participate. Pfainuk talk 11:34, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Change the title
Because it's alphabetical, not by production. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex Klotz (talk • contribs) 17:34, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I added one table for production, updated the data and clearned up the table. Calvingao (talk) 23:53, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Correct unit
Terawatt-hour per what? Per year? The current unit of the table, TW.h, just doesn't make sense, as it's a unit of energy, not of (average, longterm) power. Ruud Harmsen (talk) 07:19, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Terawatt hour is a unit energy as you said. It is a unit like kW*h to measure the amount of electricity produced over a period of time. Calvingao (talk) 23:55, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Either TWh is the total amount of energy they have produced since the beginning of time, or the unit is wrong and should be TWh/year or something else. - LM nov 27 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.48.160.75 (talk) 13:29, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Add EU?
Should the data for the European Union be added? It is included (unranked) in many other articles such as countries by carbon dioxide emissions. TimeClock871 (talk) 06:55, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * EU should not be included on a list of countries. Create a list of regions if you want to include and compare. Including EU you should also incude NAFTA, AU, ASEAN, etc.  Remove EU.  --Andynct (talk) 12:16, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Apparent contradiction
I apologise for not having put anything in the talk page initially. Here is what I said in the edit summary and it seems that it still applies: if you arrange the table by Total(TWh), it's clear there's different data for the table the at top from the one further down. As an example, China's figure in the top table has 682.09 whereas in the bottom table it has 576.1. For other countries the figures are sometimes the same: India, Japan, Norway, Russia and America are all fine. But the ones for Germany, Brazil, Canada and China are different for some reason. Or else, is there any possible reason for this discrepancy? Is it fine for them to be different? If so, could it please be explained on the article why the numbers add up differently in the two tables? Munci (talk) 21:27, 16 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Seems like factual inaccuracies to me. Rehman(+) 13:24, 16 July 2010 (UTC)


 * It is simply data from different years. Someone should update some data in the second table. Calvingao (talk) 18:06, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Conflict of data
data on table 1 and table 2 are different. foe example,Hydroelectricity in China in table 1 is 652.05 twh/year but the table 2 says it is 487.7 twh/year. I know the first is in 2009 and the second in 2008. but it is impossible to increase it 30 percent by one year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.219.97.30 (talk) 15:38, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The Three Gorges Dam is still coming online so I don't think it is "impossible" as you say. Rmhermen (talk) 16:38, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

nuclear power?
can we have information on this? should it be considered as renewable? Akinkhoo (talk) 16:42, 9 March 2011 (UTC) Nuclear power generally is considered to be non-renewable because we cannot turn nuclear waste into brand new nuclear fuel again. Calvingao (talk) 05:33, 10 March 2011 (UTC) For nuclear power you need uranium (or plutonium). The reserves of this are larger then for fossil fuels but still not infinite. So it is definitely not renewable. Nico (talk) 08:43, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Wrong numbers
Hi. The Wind Power Numbers are - compared to the cited source http://data.un.org/Data.aspx?d=EDATA&f=cmID%3aEW - totally wrong. E.g. 34,603 for the US in the source but 70 in the article... 143.93.249.2 (talk) 14:48, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comes from this source: http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/alternate/page/renew_energy_consump/table3.html and is referred correctly, but of course with numbers from different years for different countries the table does not give a fair comparison (for sure as this numbers are rapidly changing). Nico (talk) 15:53, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Wrong numbers 2
Hello. This whole article is a mess. Sorry to put it this way. The figures in the table are mixing up commas and dots (American vs European system), and the numbers are completely wrong in a lot of countries. For instance: it sais the Netherlands produces 113.503 TWh of power, more than Germany (102.5). This is very incorrect, and can easily be seen that it's wrong because Netherlands only has about 8% renewable sources in its electricity, while Germany has 16.5 % and is a lot bigger economy. Same goes for France, Russia, etc etc. There is so much wrong in this table that I don't know where to begin to correct it. Better would be to completely delete it and start from scratch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by M48b (talk • contribs) 07:48, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I checked a bit the history of this article. It seems as somebody has mixed up 'total energy production' and total 'renewable energy production'. I ll make it more clear. Nico (talk) 13:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Deleted all the numbers in the 'Total renewable' column that were not realistic (should roughly be the same as the sum of the other columns). It s a pity because i think the numbers were added in good faith and it must have been quite an effort to add them. Nico (talk) 14:19, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * As for the commas and dots, note that the first column is in TW.h/year and the other columns are in GW.h/year. Nico (talk) 14:23, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Wrong numbers 3
Mexico's numbers are messed up. The total is shown 239 but it doesn't total to that amount. First i thought the comma is misplaced in the hydroelectricity column but still it wont sum up to the total. Pls somebody take a look at it. Mayurchanakya (talk) 17:29, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Europe solar update
Europe solar total need to be update. It cannot be lower than Germany! Qualitas1 (talk) 12:14, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Percentages would be useful
Percentage of energy from renewables by country would be a more accurate metric if you're looking to see who the greenest countries are. For example, China and the United States are pretty darn high on this list, but are some of the least green countries in the world as they both rely largely on fossil fuels. 68.173.0.226 (talk) 00:08, 16 April 2014 (UTC)


 * 50% of China's energy usage is fossil fuels. China is pretty low.

http://www.japanfocus.org/site/view/4098

-G — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.15.130 (talk) 02:49, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

What about consumption of energy?
I wonder if there's any data on countries' consumption of renewable electricity? Something that would cover not just grid electricity use, but also automobile fuels, for example (the fuel is turned into electricity in the automobile). Esn (talk) 12:48, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Name change
The title of this article seems pretty long, maybe it could be changed to 'Renewable energy by country' ? Dreamian (talk) 10:36, 29 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Well, the biggest things that pops out is, according to Wikipedia's naming conventions for lists, they generally start out with "List of". So we would probably want to stick what that somehow. It also looks like this list covers electricity production in particular, and so I suppose in theory would exclude non-electricity renewable energy... although major examples of this don't immediately spring to mind other than things like animal labor.


 * Maybe there's a middle ground like "List of countries by renewable electricity", which would still shorten the title quite a bit.  G M G  talk   10:46, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

"List of countries by renewable electricity" sounds like a good idea :) Dreamian (talk) 11:39, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

World top 10 renewable electricity producers
Maybe this section could be removed, since the top 10 is also visible when u click on 'Total renewable (GWh)' at the countries section? Dreamian (talk) 16:44, 29 September 2017 (UTC)


 * WP:BEBOLD  G M G  talk   16:55, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Really? I can just remove it..? Dreamian (talk) 17:23, 29 September 2017 (UTC)


 * You can usually do what you think is an unambiguous improvement to the encyclopedia without asking permission. If someone disagrees and reverts you, then discuss it with them on the talk page and work to reach a consensus.  G M G  talk   18:35, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, done! Dreamian (talk) 11:39, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Need help
Unless it's a bug I need help. In the section of Solar Power for Russia I can't seem to get the 62 at the end of the box, tried everything. Dreamian (talk) 17:55, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅  G M G  talk   19:47, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! This list seems to take a lot of work to update. I've found this pretty good site with statistics which is very helpful: http://resourceirena.irena.org/gateway/dashboard/?topic=4&subTopic=19 Only thing it doesn't mention is the actual percentage that is renewable compared to all generated electricity. Maybe more people can be active on this article? I'm not sure if I can find the time to update more than 200 countries. Also, that site doesn't have the statistics of 2016 yet, maybe they'll come soon, in that case it might be wise to wait a bit I guess. Dreamian (talk) 11:39, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, there's about five and a half million articles, and they're never going to be perfect. The important thing is that when you find time to volunteer, you end up leaving the encyclopedia a little better off than it was when you found it.  G M G  talk   13:05, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Oil
The current figures in the chart include both Primary and Secondary sources of Oil as "Renewables", placing countries that use large amount of oil as having "100%" renewables. Is this an oversight or error, or is oil considered a renewable resource? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antiallesaktion (talk • contribs) 06:21, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you are talking about. Please explain in more detail. --Ita140188 (talk) 09:10, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Update data
Please update the numbers on this page. Asen89 (talk) 02:54, 19 December 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ User:ernestfax

Please update it again (2019) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roygolan (talk • contribs) 04:24, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, if someone has time and ambition, this list could use an update. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 10:11, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Totals?
I believe it would be useful to include a 'totals' row in this table. Can it be added in any automated way? Michael Bateman (talk) 15:37, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Do you mean show total global production? - a totals row could be created by adding columns, although there may be a source giving the data directly. Jonpatterns (talk) 13:16, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what I was thinking. Beyond my editing skills, alas. --Michael Bateman (talk) 15:34, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Needs update - which source
The information is becoming out of date. However, the statistics set that is used for main source seems to end at 2015.

https://www.eia.gov/beta/international/data/browser/#/?pa=0000000000000000000000vo300009vm&c=ruvvvvvfvtvnvv1urvvvvfvvvvvvfvvvou20evvvvvvvvvnvvuvs&ct=0&ug=8&tl_id=2-A&vs=INTL.2-12-AFG-BKWH.A&vo=0&v=H&start=2014&end=2015

Jonpatterns (talk) 13:06, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

What about nuclear power?
Nuclear power is not 100% renewable because it burns uranium. But still low CO2 emissions. And may in future get updated to thorium usage.


 * As you mentioned, nuclear power is not generally considered a renewable source. And this list is not about low carbon sources, but what are considered renewable sources. --Ita140188 (talk) 07:14, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Perecentage of each energy source out of the country's total is important and missing
I came to this (amazing and important) article to find out about how countries get to high renewable energy rates, but it's really difficult to figure out the percentage of, lets say, solar energy in Austria out of Austira's total. Actually the GWh numbers are a bit useless without the percentage. I added the percentage columns here, can someone integrate them into the article in an elegant way? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roygolan (talk • contribs) 04:31, 4 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your suggestion. I think this would be a very useful and interesting information to add. I added extra column for the percentage values. Next, we need to populate them. --Ita140188 (talk) 07:11, 4 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Great, is there an automated way of doing so? (values are available here) Otherwise, I'll start manually. Also, do you think we should add the energy source percentage out of the total of renewable energies, or maybe the total of all energy, in each country?


 * I added the percentages calculating them from the existing data. I noticed there are some discrepancies. For example, Luxembourg data seems completely wrong. However, it seems there is some problem also with the original source (IEA), which claims in 2016 44% renewables while reporting that hydropower generated over 60% of total electricity. Anyway, now that percentages are in the table, it's much easier to spot these problems. --Ita140188 (talk) 11:22, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Wrong UK data
The UK figures look wrong. I think they are quarterly figures, not annual. However, in percentage terms, they look right. XGraham (talk) 16:48, 9 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for noticing this. I reinstated the previous annual figures which were changed recently with quarterly data. --Ita140188 (talk) 06:06, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Removal/Modification of "Heavily Investing" section.
I believe it is misleading to state that the countries "China, the United States, Japan & India" are heavily investing in renewables when this is purely as a result of population as opposed to fraction of GDP or per-capita adjusted investment. I propose the section is either removed (since countries with mature renewable infrastructures also invest less), modified to reflect per-capita (as per my previous edit) or as a fraction of GDP. Thoughts & discussion are welcome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SAMurrai (talk • contribs) 03:49, 17 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I removed that part. As you said, it was not very informative. --Ita140188 (talk) 06:23, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Footnotes To Help With Avertivations?
I think it would be useful to have a footnote on the the data sheet to explain what some of the acronyms and abbreviations mean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.106.29.7 (talk) 19:16, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

This page is all wrong
I was checking some random information and nothing seems to match the information here.

For example: Puerto Rico: https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=RQ#:~:text=Almost%20three%2Dfourths%20of%20the,%25%2C%20and%20renewables%202.5%25. Aruba: https://www.worldometers.info/electricity/aruba-electricity/ 200.198.59.244 (talk) 19:16, 22 September 2021 (UTC)