Talk:List of crossings of the Fraser River

Translink logo on Skybridge?
I think the logo there should be Skytrain's no? Or BC Transit's? Because Translink as a body is also responsible for the highway/freeway bridges, just not rapid transit; I'd changed the logo myself if I knew where to find Skytrain's.Skookum1 18:07, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Annacis Bridge?
I'd add it but don't know what it's called; presumably it should be considered South Arm unless "Annacis Slough" warrants its own section.Skookum1 (talk) 22:56, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

old upper bridges
Chimney Creek for sure was one, just saw a reference to it while searching for steamboats-on-the-Shuswap stuff; I think Soda Creek had one too, or a ferry, like the Riske Creek, Dog Creek and old Lillooet bridges. Would have just added them but need to checxk the sequence; if someone else gets to it before me, great, my hands are full.Skookum1 (talk) 23:27, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Agassiz-Rosedale Bridge
The bluelink indicates a redirect only, made during edits to Bridal Falls, British Columbia and the assocaited park/waterfall article. I didn't make one off the redlink on this page as a bridge article still needs to be written; my rationale for the redirect is that Highway 9 pretty much is the bridge and its approaches, plus the jog up to Harrison Hot Springs; when the time comes t he redirect shoudl be redirected to a bridge article of course.Skookum1 (talk) 02:30, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Technically the previous Rosedale ferry was a separate crossing so should it not have its own entry. I don't have any info for it but the still is a road there called Rosedale Ferry Road. Mn1167 (talk) 21:03, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Navbox
The crossings Navbox follows only the South Arm, so the Queensborough, Knight, former Fraser and various Oak/Laing/airport bridges are not inclueded. I don't know how to make it work for two arms of a river; surely there's a way for that? The South Arm, yes, is larger; but the North Arm has more bridges.Skookum1 (talk) 02:52, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Pipeline bridges
The two I can think of are around Laidlaw or Popkum, and up by Yale; there's others; they are, in fact, bridges, though not crossings in the usual sense. Should they be here?

Fraser Street Bridge
"Former crossings of the Fraser River" I suppose as far as cats go, but then some of the old ferries farther upstream would also be in such a cat....Just noting that it's missing from the list.Skookum1 (talk) 03:08, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

High Bar Ferry
This entry has no cites. A previous editor had commented I think a.k.a. Low Bar Ferry, but that may be different alongside. The target of the link is actually a redirect to Low Bar Ferry.

But neither High Bar Ferry nor Low Bar Ferry appear in the list of ferries on the BC Ministry of Transportation site at http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/marine/ferry_schedules.htm. Nor does a google search find anything other than WP or WP-derived references. I wonder if we have been had here.

Adding fact tag in the hope of driving out some more information. Will delete in a month if nothing surfaces. -- Starbois (talk) 19:01, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * From what I've gathered since making that comment, Low Bar Ferry is at the High Bar Indian Reserve; who runs it I don't know but I've written a friend in Lillooet to find out, and also to ask him for citable information; there's nothing online although I haven't looked at the website for the Llenlleneyten (the High Bar people) as it may be run by them without any senior government office involved other than DIA. Neither road that reaches that site is run by the DoT and are range roads under the MoA I think; but who runs teh ferry, I'm trying to find that out.  I know I saw a recent writeup about someone crossing it on a 4x4 trip; last I knew personally anybody was back in the mid-1980s, couple of guys I knew from Whistler who bought horses and rode all over that country for six-seventh months (be turns green with envy....).Skookum1 (talk) 20:36, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, found the BC Archives pix of the ferry, they're on my own website http://www.cayoosh.net/churncreek.html and are public-domain (more than 50 years old template is PD-Canada). Scroll down and you'll find BC Archives # I-57593 and BC Archives # B-02676, "the Low Bar Ferry across the Fraser at Churn Creek"....now, that that says "at Churn Creek" has me worried, because Churn Creek is farther north than Big Bar, not south, but it's not the first time BC Archives has its geography wrong, believe me.  Where the ferry is exactly yet remains to be resolved, other than my assertion that it's at High Bar and/or run by the High Bar people; but BC Archives having a picture, and titling it "Low Bar Ferry" rather DOES prove it exist, wouldn't you say so?  To verify the source go to http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca and use "search" for "visual records" and type in I-57593 and/or B-02676.Skookum1 (talk) 20:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Suspension Bridge near Lytton
What about that suspension bridge (pedestrains only) at 50.28278°N, -121.62306°W? I'm adding it! AndrewEnns (talk) 02:55, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Interesting, didn't know it was there. What to call it?  Would seem to be for the benefit of residents of the Stryen IR, maybe built in connection with the Stein Festivals, probably by the Lytton Band; certainly they might provide info (if asked the right way...).  Looks like a powerline cut leading down to it from the highway - unless that's a road but if so it's real steep.  Is it jerry-rigged using a power crossing or is it free-standing?Skookum1 (talk) 03:03, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Like it says in the article now that I have added it (to keep it simple, I've called it Lytton Suspension Bridge), it is only for pedestrians. Looking closely at it on Google Earth, it looks like there is a little trail leading from the highway down to the bridge; it does at first look like a place where a powerline would come down so you thinking that is totally understandable.  The reason I knew about it is because someone posted a photo of it on GE right where it is (often people place their photos in the wrong spots on GE or give it an incorrect name [an example would be someone placing a photo of the Stein River in the Noholthin Creek Valley whose mouth is about 4.7 km below the mouth of the Stein]).  At first I thought they had mislabeled it (they labelled it Bridge across the Fraser River!) because I looked at it & I saw a pedestrain only suspension bridge.  I didn't think there was anything even resembling that there until I looked closely & realized it was indeed there.  I just looked in my mapbook & it doesn't show anything at all there.  Here it is; the taker of it (it's from Flickr as you can probably see) says this below it: Ive had some comments from people who say this is definately not in the Lytton area. I grew up in Lytton and took this photo North of Lytton on the Fraser River. Its a bridge that supports a water pipe bringing fresh water from the Stein River across the Fraser River to the small community of homes just outside Lytton!  Hmmm....     interesting; I guess the water from the Stein is a lot cleaner than that of the Fraser!  I guess we now know where Lytton gets its water supply; maybe I will add this onto the Lytton article.  AndrewEnns (talk) 05:02, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I just wrote the Lytton Museum and we'll see if we get an answer; if that is a pipe-crossing it still doesn't mean it might not have a roped walkway along the top of it; but by the sound of your post we may get a "what are you talking about?" response. It wouldn't be Lytton's watersupply- that comes off Lytton Mountain and/or out of the river(s).  The bridge in the flickr shot clearly isn't across the Fraser - we'd see water below, the river being so wide, and the vegetation is totally wrong - but it may be the suspension bridge over the Stein, up somewhere in the park....as far as other crossings go, I'm wondering if t he pipeline crossing down by Laidlaw should be included, and isn't there another near Yale?; not a bridge for people, but definitely a fixed link, and very different from simply a powerline crossing (of which there are a bunch).Skookum1 (talk) 12:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Lets wait until you get a response; if you look closely it is for sure there but whether it is for pedestrains &/or water is not known yet. I don't see any reason to believe the setting is wrong.  Please wait until you get a response & then we can continue this. AndrewEnns (talk) 14:25, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If you're meaning the setting portrayed in the flickr page, I have every reason to know it's wrong. We can see the middle of the span shown and its length, and even with a telephoto we'd see "the muddy Fraser" beneath it.  And I'm from that area, Andrew, I can guarantee you that particular vegetation just isn't what you'd find in the bottom of the Fraser Canyon, except down south of Hells Gate.  I the person who posted it to flickr didn't pick the right spot, and so that satellite closeup is in the wrong place.  We'll see what the museum gets back with, if they do; but if there is a pedestrian walkway on the waterpipe, if it's a waterpipe, that ain't it (i.e. the photo).  I know a few years ago there was a lot of anger in Lytton about people who fell off the CNR bridge while crossing it; apaprently a proper walkway has been built since, but that's below the Thompson, not above it...Skookum1 (talk) 15:27, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, wait for any response you get from the museum; which suspension bridge over the Stein are you suggesting it may be? By the way, what is this whole thing about someone falling off a railway bridge in Lytton?  What all went down? AndrewEnns (talk) 00:11, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright Skookum, have you gotten a response yet from the museum? If you haven't it's not the end of the world; I will probably be going up to Lytton this summer & I can go see for myself.  In the mean time, if you have not gotten a response we will just leave it out of there to make sure we aren't jumping the gun here. AndrewEnns (talk) 16:22, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Suspension Bridge in Lytton - Some answers for Skookum
Hey dude check this out. I found this info on our mystery suspension bridge in Lytton while searching for some info about the Rock Creek Canyon Bridge. This bridge was engineered by the same company as the Rock Creek Canyon Bridge. The company's website has a list of all the bridges they've engineered & found this one there. Here is their description of this bridge:


 * The Fraser River Pipeline Bridge is a 200 m (656 ft.) long suspension bridge designed as part of the Lytton First Nations Water System. It carries water from the Stein River to the east bank of the Fraser River. The bridge supports a 273 mm (11 inches) diameter water pipe which is insulated and heat traced to ensure continued operation during winter months. A cable catenary type structure was selected for this bridge because it is the most efficient solution for such a long span.

Go to http://www.b-t.com/projects/lytton.htm to get some additional info on it & a picture... as stated in the description, it's called the Fraser River Pipeline Bridge & it carries water from the Stein River to the east bank of the Fraser (I think you said that is what you originally thought it did in the above discussion). AndrewEnns (talk) 19:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Old Riske Creek Suspension Bridge - ??
Before the current concrete/steel span there was an old suspension bridge like those at Gang Ranch, Lillooet, Alexandra and (I think) Soda Creek), built c.1912, which was the old Highway 20 bridge.....I just looked at the satmap and can't see where it was - presumably it's gone, as I see no sign of another crossing; was it on the site of the current bridge....if it was anywhere else normally you'd see traces of the access road leading down to the Fraser.Skookum1 (talk) 15:12, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Are you talking about the previous bridge at Hwy 20? If so, there are foundation remnants of it and I have personal pics of them. I believe there is an online image of the bridge itself but don't know where to find it right now. Mn1167 (talk) 21:00, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Further to my above comment. The foundations for this previous bridge are visible in the bottom right corner of the current HWY 20 bridge. This old bride was immediately down stream of the current HWY 20 one. 207.81.77.67 (talk) 19:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Pipeline and powerline crossings
I'm not sure if the powerline crossings really count, as they are not "hard structures" although they are airplane hazards....pipeline crossings on the other hand should probably be here; there's one near Flood-Laidlaw, another one near Yale, not sure about farther upstream....Skookum1 (talk) 15:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


 * What about underwater pipelines? There are numerous ones: 2 water lines at Mission, at least one in Langley, and Gas and oil near Coquitlam. Mn1167 (talk) 20:57, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Yale cable (or friction) crossing?
I'm pretty sure there is one, connecting IRs on the yonder side of the river to the Highway 1 side; maybe in connection with a pipeline crossing I'm not sure.Skookum1 (talk) 15:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Hells Gate Pedestrian Bridge
I'd imagine this is already on the list; if not it should be.Skookum1 (talk) 15:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * So I added it, coords in a sec....Skookum1 (talk) 15:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Thoughts on re-sectioning
Had a look at a couple of the section maps; I'm reconsidering the breaks I've made, or one of them at least; might be better if Lillooet-to-Soda Creek were one section, or Lillooet-to-Riske Creek, just as a matter of scale, and that can be "Upper Fraser Canyon", while Yale to Lytton can be "Lower Fraser Canyon". Also, McGregor maybe belongs in Greater Prince George crossings, I'm not famliar with the area. Thoughts?Skookum1 (talk) 15:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Metric
Shouldn't the distances be in kilometres or knots? 70.79.18.125 (talk)