Talk:List of deaths from drug overdose and intoxication/Archive 1

Nitin Ziole
Who is Nitin Ziole and why is he on this list? A quick Google shows no hits. Paul, in Saudi 05:47, 12 May 2005 (UTC)]]

Bob Stinton
The Bob Stinson page states that he did not, in fact, die of overdose -- should he be removed from the list? 69.9.16.28 22:28, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Joe Pass
Although Joe Pass was a heavy drug user for a substantial period of time, he was clean, sober and healthy for many, many years before his death and performed much of his best work during that period. You could argue that he may have lived longer if he had never used, but I don't think you could call his death "drug-related".

Honoré de Balzac
Having just read three bios of the man to do a major revision of that page, I've seen nothing to indicate that Honoré de Balzac died of coffee poisoning. He suffered from health problems all his life and it eventually just became too much for him. I don't think he belongs here. — Scartol  ·  Talk  11:47, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Steve Marriot
"Drug related fire"? He was smoking in bed and fell asleep.Pawnkingthree (talk) 11:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Request for dates of death
BasiSupeGa (talk) 09:00, 28 February 2009 (UTC) says: The actual date of death would be really useful, in addition to age of death. BasiSupeGa (talk) 09:00, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * See discussion below. Talk:List of drug-related deaths. Freikorp (talk) 03:42, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Periods
I have added in all of the periods at the end of the sentences. If I have missed any could you please add them? Thanks,  K ilo-Lima|(talk) 22:12, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Anna Wood
It is not widely known nor reported that Anna Wood suffered a rather serious head injury as a result of her mother and neighbor's panicked attempts to drag her downstairs, she was found at the time to be suffering the the effects of hyponatremia or water intoxication.

Two factors, hyponatremia and head trauma, were the cause of her death from cerebral oedema not from the effects of ecstasy.

Her name should be removed from the List of drug-related deaths.

GeeOh 08:34, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I completely disagree, the name of this list article is "drug-related deaths". If she hadn't of overdosed on ecstasy they wouldn't of needed to try and carry her down the stairs. The ecstasy also played a large (if not total) factor in the hyponatremia as well. It is most certainly "drug related". Freikorp (talk) 05:36, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Definition: Notable
As it states in the intro, this list is for notable people. If you notice unqualified additions to this list, feel free to remove them on sight. The minimum qualification should, imo, be significant involvement in a notable project, eg a band with a Wikipedia article. Strictly speaking any addition to this list about an individual without their own Wikipedia page could be removed.  Dei zio  talk 20:59, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Robbie McIntosh
The guitarist of this name is alive and well. The Average White Band drummer of the same name is not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.112.48.103 (talk) 15:05, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Pawnkingthree (talk) 11:39, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Kurt Cobain??!!?!?!?
Why on earth is he on here? He shot himself! ChrisTheDude 08:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * He also had a lethal amount of heroin in his system when he shot himself according to the autopsy - so this would be arguably drug related as well as a firearm death Steve-Ho 10:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Kurt Cobain died from a self induced gunshot wound, NOT a drug overdose.15:53, 17 February 2008 (UTC)207.230.211.120 (talk)
 * dude, he also injected a lethal amount of heroin in himself before he shot himself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.52.29.248 (talk) 07:11, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree Cobain should be added to the list. Not only did he have a lethal amount of heroin when he shot himself but heroin arguably contributed to his suicide. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.134.73.17 (talk) 01:32, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

I've added Kurt Kobain back to the article. He does meet the requirements for inclusion as he was not only under the influence of heroin the amount of heroin in his system would have probably killed him anyway. I'm not sure why he was removed from the article in the first place. Freikorp (talk) 02:56, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Tabulate?
Are people in favour of tabulating this information. If so, I don't mind doing the work. It would look something like this:  82.1.53.159 (talk) 11:29, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Probably better to use a standard list table layout. Like in the feautured list List of HIV-positive people. Garion96 (talk) 11:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Freikorp (talk) 02:56, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * As you can see, I have almost finished converting the entire article into a table format. Unfortunately I have to go to work, I'll finish the last of it when I get back in a few hours. Freikorp (talk) 06:31, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Done :) Freikorp (talk) 15:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Criteria for inclusion?
There's no exact criteria specified for inclusion on this page - I'd like to open discussion on it. Look at everyone whose description includes the word "suicide". If someone famous was messed up on drugs then committed suicide, does that count? How about if they used drugs to commit the suicide? Then, by that argument, shouldn't Hitler count?
 * Interesting thought. Hitler did bite into a cyanide capsule as he shot himself in the temple(most definitely as a fail safe, if one didn't kill him the other one would). However due to the fact that the gunshot did kill him and the cyanide use was therefore unnecessary (not to mention his inhibition/judgement was not diminished due to the influence of any drug) I believe he should not be included. I think to be included on the list the drug itself has to play a major factor in the death directly (i.e overdose), indirectly (i.e heart failure due to long term cocaine use) or suicide has to be completed under the influence of a drug. Freikorp (talk) 06:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced
I question if leaving any unsourced entry on this list is appropriate. I am considering the weed-whacker. Comments? Hipocrite (talk) 23:21, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it would be worth a click to the article about the person to see if there is an obvious source that could be pulled into here. I dont know if I will have any time to help any time soon though. -- The Red Pen of Doom  23:32, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That's a reasonable request, as one would expect the info to be on the article. Hipocrite (talk) 23:34, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Alcohol Related Deaths
There is another page for alcohol related deaths, can we remove the alcohol related deaths from this page? --86.128.169.74 (talk) 20:36, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I would say no. First of all, I see reason to delete solid information. Next, I see no reason to fragment this fine page. Do we need to take out the Heroin deaths? The Caffeine deaths? Why?  Paul, in Saudi (talk) 16:19, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, why do we need a separate page for alcohol related deaths then?--86.128.125.218 (talk) 19:49, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Alcohol is a drug. There is no reason to separate them.--96.247.210.169 (talk) 19:47, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Potential candidates to add to list
Miroslava Stern (29) not confirmable in any of the free sites i found, but it looked like pay sites might have the info.
 * Can you list the links to sites you think may have the information? Thanks. Freikorp (talk) 06:50, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * LA Times via proquest —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.20 (talk) 01:47, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * After purchasing the article I can tell you it does confirm her death was drug-related. Quote "Miroslava's body was found lying stretched across her bed yesterday. She had taken an overdose of sleeping pills." Freikorp (talk) 08:07, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Clinton Haines - (21) computer hacker, heroin overdose.
 * original source did not meet WP:RS but Sydney Morning Herald is likely to support claim, but I cant get in for some reason  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.20 (talk) 01:43, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It took some trying but I manage to get access to the article, I've added him back with these references: Freikorp (talk) 02:00, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Robbin Crosby (42) - musician, ex-Ratt, contracted and died from HIV as a direct result of long-time heroin addiction.
 * This particular source says "cause of death not yet determined" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.43 (talk) 01:24, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * True. It does provide a quote from Crosby regarding his heroin use - "What has drug addiction done for me? It's cost me my career, my fortune, basically my sex life when I found out I was HIV positive" - It's a shame the reference doesn't confirm the death was HIV related, which in turn would be drug related. Freikorp (talk) 01:42, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok I've found this reliable source which states he died from AIDS. Combined with the fact he admits to contracting HIV through his heroin addiction is this enough to re-include him? Freikorp (talk) 01:57, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * And I found another source that says heroin overdose so we are double covered! MM207.69.137.43 (talk) 03:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Guerrero "heart disease, complicated by an enlarged heart resulting from a history of anabolic steroid use."
 * Do anabolic steriods count as drugs? Does being the tertiary factor count? MM207.69.139.142 (talk) 04:11, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I would say anabolic steroids definitely count as drugs. Freikorp (talk) 05:10, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hearing no objection, copying into the article. MM207.69.139.137 (talk) 01:45, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Megan Connolly (27) - actress, heroin overdose.
 * No free reliable sources found. It appears that this source might confirm, but not enough content in the snippet view. . TV.com "source" was declared not reliable, publicly editable site. MM 207.69.139.138 (talk) 02:33, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you sure you didn't mean this one that you added to her page? It's a good start but probably not good enough on its own. After much searching I've found this passing mention from a reliable source   "she was replaced on screen by Megan Connolly, who herself tragically died of a heroin overdose in 2001." Freikorp (talk) 06:46, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * "after a long battle with heroin" did not specifically seem to verify that heroin was the actual cause of the death, but your other source does, so I have return Connelly to the article.


 * Yes check.svg Marie McDonald was not able to find a good source right off, but seems highly likely —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.139.137 (talk) 02:40, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Found Freikorp (talk) 12:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Erik Brødreskift (30) - musician, Borknagar,Gorgoroth,and Immortal, suicide - pill overdose.
 * google books and google news produced no sources in English, and only 1 source in norwiegen and that link was broke. no sources in wikipedia norway article either. probably doesnt meet WP:N. 207.69.137.39 (talk) 01:51, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Added back with this reference: . Freikorp (talk) 13:33, 9 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Chet Baker (58) - jazz trumpeter and singer. a potentially drug related fall from a window.
 * All the sources say his death is from fall from window, and only this book review (by whom I cant tell) indicates that the fall is drug related. And while it seems likely, that alone is not enough, in my opinion. MM 4.158.222.20 (talk) 03:24, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Full details for that book can be found here. His allmusic profile states he died from a fall after taking heroin and cocaine|BAKER&sql=11:wifrxqt5ld6e~T1. Do you think that will be enough? Freikorp (talk) 13:21, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Added back with additional reference due to no objections. Freikorp (talk) 12:27, 20 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Folks listed here, under heading "wrestling casualties" halfway down. Leaving this source here so I dont forget or for someone else to follow through on. MM207.69.139.142 (talk) 04:16, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Any of these that are "drug related" have already been in cluded in the list. MM207.69.139.138 (talk) 04:45, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Paul Demayo - professional bodybuilder, heroin overdose. While his death is talked about at great length on bobybuilding websites, I cannot find a reliable secondary source either. This source only states "alleged drug overdose", no mention of heroin - this one says "apparent drug overdose" -  same story here - . I'm fairly certain this one is only going to be found in a bodybuilding or sports book. Freikorp (talk) 09:59, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It's highly likely this book has at least a passing mention about him. I'll keep me eyes out for a copy :) Freikorp (talk) 12:39, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Scrap that. After purchasing the book for $1 on eBay the book I can confirm it mentions nothing about his death, though I was able to used it as a reference for his article. I have found his obituary, which states he died "suddenly" . This website confirms heroin overdose however, still going to at least look for a more reliable source before I add him back. Freikorp (talk) 12:31, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Added back, still going to keep a lookout for a better source. Freikorp (talk) 03:41, 5 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Chase Tatum - all sources on his page say "apparent overdose" only. We may need additional sources to warrant his continued inclusion in the article. Freikorp (talk) 14:15, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Added with this reference Freikorp (talk) 03:35, 23 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Gribouille can anyone verify the reliability of this source and the french "De son vrai nom Marie-France Gaité, Gribouille avait une écriture proche de Barbara." ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.20 (talk) 02:05, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * on-line translation dictionary gives a rough translation "The real name of Marie-France Gaité, Gribouille the writing is nearly barbaric." - i.e. nothing about drug use or death.4.158.222.240 (talk) 05:00, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * This published book states she died of a drug overdose but lists wikipedia as the source for this claim. How funny. Freikorp (talk) 01:56, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yet another book that states she died of a drug overdose but lists wikipedia as a reference. This book is also from a self-publishing company, so it wouldn't be reliable anyway, just thought I would mention it out of interest. Freikorp (talk) 03:45, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Added with her Allmusic profile Freikorp (talk) 14:07, 23 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Patrick Hamilton (writer), Kevin Lloyd, Malcolm Lowry, Thomas Manby, Michael Holliday, Robin Milford, Donald Sinclair (veterinary surgeon), Stephen Ward, James Mossman, Ed Delahanty, Errol Flynn, Ira Hayes, Hank Williams, Carl Radle, Tim Crews, Richard Manuel, Leonard Chadwick


 * Michael Weber - musician (Seminal Rats) died January 2, 1999 of an accidental heroin overdose. Source might be found in a local paper from Melbourne. Freikorp (talk) 01:44, 2 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Wally Nightingale - complications of substance abuse. Source may be found in one of these books

The following people are added to one of the three following categories alcohol-related deaths, drug-related deaths by country or drug-related suicides. Their cause of death is mentioned as drug related in their article but they currently have no references to support this:


 * England: Michael Elphick, Frank Farrell (musician), Anne Darquier, Bernard Floud, Imogen Hassall, Ronald Lewis (actor), Virginia Maskell.


 * United States: Veronica Lake, Rob Buck, David Woodley, Michael Clarke (musician), Grace Metalious, Franklin Pierce, Clyde McPhatter, Jerry Dorgan, Harry McGilberry, Louis Abolafia, Paul Kossoff, Andreas Münzer, James Ray (singer), Albert Stinson, Bruce Berry, Vincent Flemmi, Richard Howard (athlete), Zeke Zettner, Eddy Shaver, Allen Woody, Dale Whittington, Walter Brown (singer), Henry Stephen Fox, Mark Tuinei, Billy Lee Brammer, Simon Scuddamore, Seiki Kayamori, James Hatfield, Charlie Parker, Ben Klassen, Jaromír Weinberger, Fletcher Knebel, Corissa Yasen, William S. Maynard, Michael Dorris, Mayo Methot, Leona Hutton, Edgar Rosenberg, Brian Connolly, David Byron, Lois Hamilton, Kathy Augustine, Bridgette Andersen, Diana Barrymore, Charla Doherty, W. C. Fields, Ron "Pigpen" McKernan, Barbara Payton, Gia Scala, Dennis Wilson, George Washington Vanderbilt III, Spencer Charters, Richard Chase, Elizabeth Cooper, Kenne Duncan, Clara Blandick, Kid McCoy, Richard Maxfield, Vera Sisson, Mabel Stark, Everett Sloane, Joan Tabor, David Lerner, Jeremy Michael Ward, Danny Whitten, Barbara La Marr, Jim McElroy (baseball), Sidney Fox, Bill Cannastra, Lorenz Hart, Billie Holiday, O. Henry, Ward Pinkett, Naftali Herz Imber, Lester Young, Bobby Driscoll, Ed Crane (baseball), Emily Stevens (actress), William Hooper Young, Jonathan Melvoin, George Scott III, William Lindsay Gresham, Reinaldo Arenas, Seymour Krim, William Seabrook, Ona Munson, Dave Rubinstein, Mark Rothko, Cory Smoot.


 * Rest of world: Mirza Delibašić, Isaac Cruikshank, Roberto Peña, Tom Molineaux, Oliver Reed, Andrei Yevgenyevich Ivanov, Vlad VI Înecatul, Modest Mussorgsky Oswald Kabasta, Tai Chi-tao, Ruan Lingyu, Lu Xi, Yrjö Mäkelin, Masa Niemi, Arthur Adamov, Pierre Batcheff, Michèle Girardon, Walter Hasenclever, Michèle Girardon, Klaus Mann, Andrea Pazienza, Ashihei Hino, Hidemitsu Tanaka, Kazuki Watanabe Ian Gray (Australian soccer), Prince Ferdinand, Duke of Montpensier, Alfred Jarry, Amedeo Modigliani, Joëlle Mogensen, Jack Pickford, Pietro Pacciani, Francisco Barrios, Joachim Nielsen, Ragnhild Jølsen, Athina Livanos, Abraham Ángel, Menno ter Braak, Alexandru Odobescu, Silvo Plut, Elmyr de Hory, Antonio Flores, Ananda Samarakoon, Kurt Tucholsky, Karin Boye, Maïa Simon, Pamela Weston, Edward Downes, Martha Gellhorn, Jesse Pintado

Feel free to simply move individual names over to the 'confirmed' section if references are found and they are added to the article - that's what I'm planning to do anyway. I ommitted the more duibious people from the 3 categories - i.e John Doe was believed to be drunk when he killed himself... other than that this is every single person added to a drug-related category that does not have a reference relating to cause of death. Freikorp (talk) 05:25, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Adding year of death
Someone above had asked for the year of death which I think is a good addition. What format looks best? Something else? Would we want to use the full date or just year?


 * Brian "Crush" Adams, 2007, (44) - professional wrestler, accidental overdose of painkillers.
 * Brian "Crush" Adams (44) - 2007 - professional wrestler, accidental overdose of painkillers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.139.145 (talk) 12:28, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


 * A table format, as suggest above, would ideally be the best way to list everything (naturally with a year/date of death column). I understand that is a lot of trouble to go to (I certainly don't have the time to do it), so either one of the above ways would be fine, I am thinking we should include the word 'age' before the age number though, i.e Some Guy, 2007 (Aged 44) Freikorp (talk) 02:51, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * As you can see I've since put in a table format that includes year of birth and year of death, thereby making a separate age at death column redundant. Freikorp (talk) 14:17, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Important names missing
Corey Haim should be included!
 * Dear Anonymous person, as has already been stated below, Corey Haim did NOT die of a drug or alcohol overdose. He died from Pneumonia.  While his health may have been impacted by his drug use, his drug use did not cause his death. Centerone (talk) 20:18, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

I was surprised not to find Charlie Parker, or Billie Holiday... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.4.121.245 (talk) 20:02, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Feel free to find a reliable source and add people to the list yourself. These articles are built entirely by volunteers after all. Freikorp (talk) 14:22, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I've since taken the liberty of finding a reference for Billie Holiday and adding her to the list. However Charlie Parker does not appear to meet the criteria as while he did have cirrhosis that is not what killed him. Freikorp (talk) 14:34, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

What about Corey Haim, Mike Starr from Alice In Chains, and Amy Winehouse? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.27.112.122 (talk) 04:25, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Late reply i know, but just for archival purposes - Corey Haim did not die of a drug overdose . Both Mike Starr and Amy Winehouse have since been added to the article. Freikorp (talk) 03:32, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Amy Winehouse
Too soon to add Amy Winehouse? MrYdobon (talk) 13:18, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Soon is not an issue. The issue is finding an reliable source that specifically states it was a drug overdose. Nobody is getting added to the list without one. Freikorp (talk) 14:17, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Chris Donald
Clarification: Chris Donald took on the stagename of Vinnie Taylor. Please comment here about this listing if any. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 11:50, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

"AKA" names
Several entries with "AKA names" as the alphabetic sort criteria instead of the name as represented in the subject's main article title were edited & relocated since this does not align with WP:UCN. AldezD (talk) 21:45, 10 February 2014 (UTC)


 * No worries. When I found this article it had many 'aka' names specified, so I took it upon myself when I overhauled the article to format everyone who had a stage or common name in this manner for consistency. I was unaware wikipedia had a guideline related to that. Freikorp (talk) 22:59, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

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Article move proposed
Over 7 years I've made over 900 edits to this article. As you may have noticed, I am currently in the process of another major improvement, going through each and every source, making sure it is reliable, properly formatted, still alive, and finally archived so as to prevent link rot. I am currently up to the letter F; I anticipate it will take me another 3 weeks to finish this task. My motivation for this overhaul is to make the article a featured list. In order to accomplish this feat, I have also greatly expanded the article's lead, as per the featured list criteria. Anyway, in introducing the subject of drug-related deaths in the lead, I have realised something. As the lead states, the overwhelming majority (over 80% it would seem) of "drug-related deaths" are from tobacco. This article doesn't feature a single tobacco related death.

The simple solution to this problem is just to start adding tobacco related deaths, but I think that would just create a bigger problem. This article currently has about 450 drug-related deaths. There are currently over 1700 people in the category deaths from lung cancer alone. The majority of these will be tobacco related, and that's before we even start getting into the other forms of cancer tobacco causes, or the other non-cancer related deaths from tobacco. My conservative estimate is that adding tobacco related deaths to this article would (assuming the arduous task was ever completed) increase the article size by 400%. The size of this new article would be so great it would no doubt require the article to be split into several smaller articles, each containing an alphabetical portion of the list (i.e 'List of drug-related deaths A-F', 'List of drug-related deaths G-M' etc etc). And there would be so many tobacco related deaths in the article they would overshadow anything else. I think this would be a terrible solution.

Which brings me back to our problem. This article is entitled 'List of drug-related deaths', but that's not what it is. In reality it is actually a 'List of deaths from drugs other than tobacco'. As such the article is inaccurately described. The majority of this article is actually a list of drug overdoses.

I propose we move this article to "List of deaths from drug overdoses" and ditch the one hundred odd deaths in the list that are not actually overdoses.

I can only think of two alternatives to fix this problem, and I don't like either. Firstly we could create a separate article entitled 'List of tobacco-related deaths', and add a disclaimer in the lead of this article that tobacco related deaths can be found there. However I'm not sure if, due to the sheer volume of tobacco related deaths, that this is feasible, for the same reason there is no list 'List of deaths from heart-attacks'; they are far too common to count! Secondly we can just say in the lead of this article that tobacco-related deaths are not included as they are too numerous, but this just strikes me as lazy and unencyclopeadic.

Are there any objections to me moving this article and ditching the non-overdose deaths? I understand it is shame to effectively 'throw away' such data (especially since I wrote the majority of it!), but i think it's the best solution. Freikorp (talk) 04:48, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Adding thousands of tobacco-related deaths would be unwieldy. Further, the "purpose" of this page is to show the huge number of people who have died from illegal drug use. Oddly, this is the only such list. It is important and would be lessened if it included tobacco deaths. Please tell me how I can help you with your editing. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 09:51, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi . I'm glad you commented, and I'm glad you also think adding tobacco deaths will lesson the article's value. In order to prevent tobacco deaths from being eligible to be added (and for being a requirement for this article to be featured) I think my proposed move is the only solution. I'll give it a couple days to wait for further comments and then I'll make the change unless there are protests.
 * If you'd like to help with ongoing improvements to the article, these are the things I've been doing: Firstly making sure all the references are formatted using consistent methods - this is definitely a requirement to be promoted to featured status. I'm using four templates: Template:Cite web for regular online sources, Template:Cite news for offline newspaper articles, Template:Cite book for books and Template:Cite journal for journals and magazines. While doing this I am making sure the references also follow the same dating format, which is 'Month, Day, Year' (I.e "Retrieved January 1, 2000" as opposed to "Retrieved 1 January 2000" or "Retrieved 01-01-2000"); general consistency is needed for featured status. I'm also archiving all sources formatted with Template:Cite web (the other formats generally cannot be archived and don't need to be anyway) in order to prevent link rot. This involves saving the URL of the reference with an archiving site such as Archive.is and adding the custom URL and the date saved to the parameters "|archiveurl=" and "|archivedate=" within the Cite web brackets.
 * I've done all of the above for every source between A and E. The rest of the sources are a mixed bag - some are OK and some need complete fixing. If you'd like to help, pick a letter somewhere towards the end of the alphabet and start making the above changes to references. As per the proposed move give complete preference to overdose deaths as the others are likely to be scrapped anyway. Also if you're having trouble with archiving just forget that part and work on formatting sources with the approved method - I'll archive it myself later and it will still save me time if the reference is formatted properly when i get to it. But don't feel pressured if you don't have the time for any of that. :) Freikorp (talk) 11:06, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I anticipate a slow day here at the office tomorrow. If I am not distracted by a shiny object, I will start with "Z," a smaller section so you can check my work before I move on to larger hunks. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 11:09, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Haha I already formatted Z and Y just becase there were only 3 people between both letters. If you'd like something small to practice on, the final person in U (Enrique Urquijo) is a perfect example of a terribly formatted reference. A great place to start. Also just some advice on referencing overall - looking at U - the first reference looks pretty good except it's using 'cite news' instead of 'cite web' (that just means you have to change the word 'news' to web' though, nothing tricky) and also it isn't archived yet, the second reference looks fairly good but the source might be unreliable (prowrestling.net) - might have to find a new source, and also it used the parameter '|publisher"' when it should use '|work='. So when you refer to your source use the parameter '|work=', such as '|work=The New York Times', as opposed to '|website=' or '|publisher='. The third source is a bit tricky since it's a documentary. That actually requires a rarely used template, Template:Cite AV media. Maybe just ignore that one or anything like it. The fourth one though is a great place to start, and maybe try archiving the first one after that if you're feeling like a challenge. Freikorp (talk) 11:27, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

I am about to start. If you desire to include only drug overdose deaths, I would suggest you be biased toward inclusion rather than strict to exclude. It seems wrong to throw away all those entries for the sake of keeping tobacco deaths out of it. I will be unable to archive as the site you cited is (apparently) in Israel. Now let me see what I can do. So much for doing this from the office. Let me try later from home. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 03:46, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Dorothy Uhnak is OK
 * Umaga I cannot check as the site cited is blocked here.
 * Stu Ungar
 * Enrique Urquijo I cannot check as the site cited is blocked here.


 * Oh right, I didn't consider that archive.is would be blocked in Saudi. Try and use the Wayback Machine instead. I only suggested archive.is because I think it's simpler to use.
 * I'll definitely try and be as inclusive as I can with the list. My motivation isn't just to keep tobacco deaths out, it is to make the list an accurate representation of its title, and also to hopefully get the article accepted as featured. In order to be featured it would need to be an accurate representation of its title (which it currently isn't), and if it is featured it will get much more traffic. I want as many people to read this as possible. :)
 * I've just finished formatting the references as F and will start workign on G either tonight or tomorrow. Freikorp (talk) 05:52, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I've decided I won't actually move the article until I've finished updating the references. This should take 2-3 weeks. Freikorp (talk) 07:29, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Half way there. References for letters A-K have been checked for reliability, accuracy, proper formatting and have been archived where possible. Letters A-G were done entirely. Starting from H only people who meet the new criteria for inclusion have been checked/formatted/archived. Freikorp (talk) 04:29, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
 * As the article Combined drug intoxication (CDI) states, "CDI is often confused with drug overdose, but it is a completely different phenomenon". It is however, an acute form of drug-related death, and accordingly fits the purpose of the list I am trying to build. I'm starting to think the name for the new article should be List of deaths from drug overdose and intoxication. It will be a more inclusive list, though one that will be an accurate representation of its title. Your thoughts? Freikorp (talk) 05:51, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Well it took me four weeks and 700 odd edits, but I've finished formatting and archiving all the existing references. I'll start adding the potential candidates in the section below tomorrow, and plan to complete the move as soon as all the potential candidates that I can find sources for have been added. Freikorp (talk) 13:21, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * As you've no doubt noticed, the page has now been moved. I've removed the people who obviously do not meet the new criteria (about 35 people). I've still got about 45 people to add from the potential candidates list so this article will soon be longer than it originally was anyway. Freikorp (talk) 14:22, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Now that I've finished adding potential candidates to the list, I think this article meets the criteria to be nominated as a featured list candidate. I'll probably nominate it in the next couple days. Are there any comments or suggestions regarding this in the meantime? Freikorp (talk) 13:30, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I am standing by to *Support you. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 07:30, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Karen Carpenter
According to the Karen Carpenter page it says that Dr. Richard Shepherd who is a forensic pathologist, believed that Karen's abuse of ipecac syrup and synthroid contributed to her death along with the singer's anorexia and shrunken heart — Preceding unsigned comment added by Forrest Lesak (talk • contribs) 06:16, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I also heard that she died from an overdose of ipecac which caused her to vomit — Preceding unsigned comment added by Forrest Lesak (talk • contribs) 01:08, 8 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for ceasing your edit war and instead bringing this up on the talk page. I apologise for not noticing it sooner. Upon closer inspection there does seem to be some merit in this. I think we should add her to the article with a summary along the lines of "heart failure was caused by repeated use of ipecac syrup". Freikorp (talk) 22:53, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Freikorp — Preceding unsigned comment added by Forrest Lesak (talk • contribs) 02:36, 24 January 2017 (UTC)


 * If you are going to cite Levothyroxine as a contributing factor in her death, you are going to need to cite a reliable source for the claim. The cited source doesn't mention it.  General Ization   Talk   02:42, 24 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Actually, my mistake. However, the article mentions "thyroid medication", without using the name of the specific formulation "Levothroxine" (which is not the only thyroid medication).  We must do the same.  General Ization   Talk   02:43, 24 January 2017 (UTC)


 * I have no dog in this fight. That said, I note Carpenter appears on the List of People Who Died of Starvation. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 03:52, 25 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Now that the page has been moved and the criteria for inclusion has been changed, Carpenter no longer meets the criteria for inclusion. Accordingly I have removed her. Freikorp (talk) 14:20, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Well it does'nt really matter if her death is on the criteria anymore — Preceding unsigned comment added by Forrest Lesak (talk • contribs) 21:03, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Potential candidates
Listed below is every single person found under 'Category:Drug-related deaths', who as of posting this, meets the criteria for inclusion according to the prose at their respective article, but is not currently on the list. I'll remove them one by one as they get added or will list them as 'no sources found' if that is the case. Freikorp (talk) 07:55, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Done. Freikorp (talk) 09:31, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

No sources/disputed

 * Freddy Soto - combined drug intoxication (no sources found)
 * Suicide of Terry Rossland - drug overdose (no sources found)
 * Ali (graffiti artist) "cocaine addiction" (no sources found)
 * David Reilly - "a coma brought on by pain medication for an abscessed tooth" (no sources found). This sources states "complications from longstanding stomach problems" while this one  states "complications from an infection-induced coma".
 * Gus Chambers - alcohol and medication (no sources found)
 * Vivien Merchant - acute alcoholism. Can't find a reliable source that the alcoholism was acute. The New York Times implies that the alcoholism was long term: . Accordingly I've updated this at her article.
 * Elsa Eschelsson - sleeping powder overdose (no sources found). This source simply states she "probably" committed suicide, but doesn't say how.
 * George Popovici - morphine overdose (no sources found)
 * Youlan (noble) - swallowed opium (no sources found)
 * Stephen Robert Koekkoek - alcohol and drug overdose (no sources found)
 * Troy Newman (singer) - toxic combination of prescription drugs (speculated only, autopsy inconclusive)
 * Eva Mottley - overdose of alcohol and other drugs (no sources found)
 * Marek Brezovský - heroin overdose (no sources found)
 * Doug Rauch - heroin overdose (no sources found)
 * Zdenka Rubinstein - sleeping pill overdose (no sources found)
 * Michael Weber - accidental heroin overdose (no sources found)
 * Michele Girardon - overdose of sleeping pills (no sources found)
 * Harry McGilberry - apparent drug overdose (no sources found)
 * Seiki Kayamori - suicide. His death certificate lists "Drug?" as cause of death. (no sources found)
 * William S. Maynard - morphine overdose (no sources found)
 * Kazuki Watanabe (musician) - sleeping pill overdose (no sources found)
 * Alexandru Odobescu - morphine overdose (no sources found)
 * Menno ter Braak - Suicide. Sedative combine with poison. (no sources found)
 * Diana Barrymore - numerous sources attribute her death to an overdose, though her autopsy found no indication of this:
 * Tera Wray - One source speculates overdose but another says this cause was ruled out

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Nelsan Ellis?
Should Nelsan Ellis be added ? http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/true-blood-actor-nelsan-ellis-died-due-alcohol-withdrawal-complications-family-says-1019634 Centerone (talk) 17:36, 10 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Sources indicate rather than acute alcohol intoxication, Eliis died from symptoms associated with alcohol withdrawal. This would fall under 'long term effects', which are not covered in this list. Freikorp (talk) 01:21, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

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I started this list many, many years ago. I still have it on my watchlist. I want to tell all of you how proud I am of your hard work. Surely this is one of Wikipedia's best articles and well-deserving of being a "Featured List."

This article is unique. Nothing like it exists elsewhere. This is a real contribution to human knowledge.

Everyone who contributes should be very proud. &#39;&#39;Paul, in Saudi&#39;&#39; (talk) 08:04, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

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Carrie Fisher?
She should be added? Drugs were a contributing factor in her death, and cocaine, as well as heroin and MDMA was found in her system when an autopsy was conducted. Mzimmerle (talk) 15:43, 18 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Her autopsy explicitly stated while traces of drugs were found, what factor (if any) that they played in her death could not be determined. Accordingly, I don't think she meets the criteria. Freikorp (talk) 00:54, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Additional listing
Lexii Alijai died from fentanyl and ethanol toxicity. I always have trouble adding listings to tables. TJMSmith (talk) 23:11, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks for pointing that out. :) Damien Linnane (talk) 10:58, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Beckett Cypher
Beckett Cypher is not notable in that he has no entry. On the other hand, he is the son of Melissa Etheridge and Julie Cypher. Rolling Stone reports the young man passed away at age 21 due to opioid addiction.
 * It seems Cypher is probably not eligible for an article (and therefore inclusion on this list) as per WP:BIOFAMILY. Damien Linnane (talk) 08:19, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * OK. Thank you. --&#39;&#39;Paul, in Saudi&#39;&#39; (talk) 14:25, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Hypnotic / Combined drug intoxication
Please change the real name of Sleeping pills to Hypnotic, and Multiple to Combined drug intoxication.2607:FEA8:F423:A400:E0C1:24CD:65A1:6BB3 (talk) 14:27, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Firstly, new talk pages messages are supposed to go at the bottom of talk pages, not the top. I'm relocating this message to the bottom of the page. Secondly, just for future reference, a term should only be linked once in a table. Your initial edit linked 'Combined drug intoxication' 149 times, and linked other terms multiple times as well. Please don't do anything like that ever again.
 * I don't see a strong need for either of these proposed changes. Currently the article uses the term 'painkiller' repeatedly, which is the commonly used term, whereas the Wikipedia article on painkillers is actually titled Analgesic. 'Sleeping pills' is the common term for Hypnotics. I don't see anything wrong with using common names, but I'll wait to hear from other editors as I'm not really that fussed either way. I also don't think we should use the term 'Combined drug intoxication' unless sources say that. Quite often, sources only say what drugs were found in a person's system, but makes no mention of whether all of these drugs played a role in their death. Labeling these deaths as Combined drug intoxication accordingly may actually be incorrect, and I think we're just unnecessarily convoluting things if we have some deaths labeled as 'multiple' drugs and other as Combined drug intoxication. Using 'multiple' for everything just makes things simpler; Combined drug intoxication is explained in the lead anyway. Damien Linnane (talk) 22:43, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Contested changes

 * Your edit reverted multiple edits which is pretty stupid because your edit summary didn't mention this and it's not possible to figure out by the byte size since I sorted the entries. You should just restore the see also section. However, I changed it to For alcohol as the single cause of death, see List of deaths through alcohol. Then you reverted the edit again. You ruined my day. --Bawanio (talk) 14:49, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

If alcohol was not the primary cause of the intoxication then it should certainly not be placed first. But how do we know? --Bawanio (talk) 14:55, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The Drug(s) column could be renamed to Drug(s) by reference order or something. But it will be hard to separate the entries from references that make this clear and not. Perhaps Drug(s) by reference order is better. --Bawanio (talk) 14:59, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I will not edit the article any more until we have reached a consensus. --Bawanio (talk) 15:00, 16 January 2022 (UTC)


 * You don't have grounds to complain that your edit was reverted with only a partial explanation, when you yourself are reverting edits without any explanation at all (see here ). Please have the common decency to use the edit summary when reverting another user's edits, since that's what it's there for.
 * I reverted many of your edits at once because I didn't think any of them were good. For example, you added the text "were traces of a antiemeticmotion-sickness pill". Firstly, this is clearly a grammar error. More importantly (since your typographical mistakes can be fixed easily enough), what's your source for this? It's not in the citation given, so if you want to change the information you need to provide a new source. Please don't ever add unreferenced information to any article on Wikipedia, but especially not a featured one.
 * The first drug in a entry is ideally the one that had the biggest influence on the death, not the one that starts with a letter closer to the beginning of the alphabet. And yes, I'm aware in many cases the drug that that had the most influence isn't explicitly specified. But in many cases it is, so trying to make the rest of the article alphabetical isn't helpful since the article will never be completely alphabetical. Changing the column title to 'Drug(s) by reference order' is an interesting idea, but personally I just think it's unnecessary complication. And what do you propose we do when there are two sources that give drugs in a different order? I think the table is just fine the way it is.
 * You must be pretty fragile if a simple reversion on Wikipedia can ruin your day. Perhaps consider a different hobby where your feelings aren't so easily hurt, and where you don't feel the need to lash out at people by calling their edits "stupid" if you don't understand what they're doing (I notice you only modified your original insults on this talk page AFTER I explained my reversion ), and where you feel the need to insist people "give up!" when you're the one making contested changes, without consensus, to a featured list. Damien Linnane (talk) 15:46, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I recovered. I was just upset because 2 hours of editing was lost. We will not talk anymore, good luck with your contributions. --Bawanio (talk) 15:55, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I encourage you to keep editing Wikipedia. Bold edits, like your initial changes, can be very constructive. But it's just a bit frustrating when bold edits get made to an article that has already gone through a extensive peer-review process and has been accepted as one of Wikipedia's best pieces of content for its existing formatting. That being said, I can also appreciate losing hours of your work is very annoying (over the years it's happened to me on here many, many times.) To avoid this in the future, when editing featured content, I think it's a much better idea to obtain consensus before making changes, since a consensus about the article has already been reached in order for it to become featured in the first place. Also while it's not a rule, following the guidelines at WP:BRD tends to avoid conflicts. I hope the rest of your day is better. Damien Linnane (talk) 16:14, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't pay attention that the article was a featured list. --Bawanio (talk) 16:19, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Deaths from the Combined drug intoxication article
I think the Combined_drug_intoxication section should be removed after deaths from that section have been merged to this list:
 * Ol' Dirty Bastard, rapper of the Wu-Tang Clan, from cocaine and tramadol
 * Casey Calvert, guitarist for Hawthorne Heights, from citalopram, clonazepam and hydrocodone
 * Chris Penn, actor, from valium, morphine, marijuana and an elevated level of codeine
 * Freddy Soto, writer/actor/comedian, from alcohol, fentanyl, and alprazolam

Then could be placed at the top of Combined drug intoxication article, or List of deaths from drug overdose and intoxication could be listed under See also section under that article. --Bawanio (talk) 16:59, 16 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I'd never seen that list before; thanks for sharing it. It's definitely pretty terrible and lacking in content and sources, and made completely redundant by this list here anyway. I've just deleted it as per your suggestion, though stated my openness to debating the deletion in the edit summary.
 * Ol' Dirty Bastard is already in the list here, and a consensus was reached a long time ago to not include anyone on this list unless they have their own article on Wikipedia (otherwise thousands of new people suddenly become potentially eligible, and we have to draw the line somewhere), so Casey Calvert isn't eligible. It looks like Chris Penn doesn't meet the criteria either, as from an initial glance his death seems to more from the long-term effects of drug use. Soto, however, does meet the criteria, so I've added him to the list here. Thanks for finding him. Damien Linnane (talk) 02:01, 17 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks. --Bawanio (talk) 15:10, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Use Template:Death date and age
See List of deaths through alcohol for examples.

I'll gradually add hundreds more entries if there's a consensus and someone will actually add this, one hundred entries takes about 1 hour to generate in spreadsheets and there are over 600 entries in the article. Below are data for the first 100 entries in this article that conveniently may be copy/pasted.

What is your opinion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bawanio (talk • contribs) 00:24, January 17, 2022 (UTC)

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 * Hi Bawanio. What's your reasoning for wanting to do this? As in, why is the exact date of death important to know? In a table that has death spans spreading over a period of more than 200 years, the exact day seems like unnecessary over-detail to me. What do people gain by knowing the exact day in 1816 that Fanny Imlay died? Is the fact she died in the early 18-th century not enough? If it isn't for some reason, they can always just go to her article to find out the exact date. I don't think adding the exact date adds anything of value to the table, but it does take something important away. With the table's current formatting, it allows you to quickly sort people by the age they were when they died, which I think is both interesting and helpful. Currently, for example, if you wanted to check how many teenagers died of a drug overdose, or how many people in their 20s etc etc, you can just hit the top of the 'Age' column and get instant results. With the proposed table formatting, it would appear your only viable option for finding this information would be spending a whole heap of time CTRL+F searching for the specific ages, and adding each year up one at at a time manually, while trying to avoid false positives from the age also matching numbers elsewhere. Damien Linnane (talk) 02:19, 17 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Alright. --Bawanio (talk) 15:10, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Béla II of Hungary
Béla II of Hungary is problaby the earliest known death of alcohol (see List of deaths through alcohol) that has an own Wikipedia article. Please let me know if you add him, I'm fine if you have no interest in doing so. --Bawanio (talk) 13:19, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hmm, it's a complicated issue for two reasons. For starters, the table just says his death was caused by 'alcohol-related issues' (without sources - incidentally the table at that article really needs a reference column like the one here has - it will hopefully encourage other people to add sources even if you don't have time to find them yourself right now), and his Wikipedia doesn't even say that much. This article only lists people who die of acute-alcohol related causes, not long term effects, and it isn't clear which is the case here from either article.
 * More importantly, there was some discussion at the featured list nomination about the 'recentism' of the article. I.e, the first death is listed in the table is in 1811, but clearly, some people died of drugs before then. However, the concept of a 'drug overdose' is modern, and the number of historical acute drug deaths that can be reliably sourced is extremely low. I could actually only find one when I was first building this article (Promachus of Macedon - incidentally there's someone to add to the 'List of deaths through alcohol'). I wrote the paragraph in the lead about why drug overdoses are primarily a modern phenomena (due to isolated ingredients, inventions and policy - not to mention the rise of the media which has made it harder if not impossible to cover up drug-deaths) as a way of indirectly addressing why the list begins in the 18th century. There wasn't a clear consensus, though this seemed to address concerns and was evidently enough for the article to be promoted. I'd personally rather keep the list modern. Damien Linnane (talk) 14:11, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Please try to remember to ping me (I love the ping template). Thanks for a very detailed answer, I fully respect your decision. I was just fascinated about Béla's death date. --Bawanio (talk) 16:24, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Taylor Hawkins
I am adding him, but suspect better cites will become available. --PaulinSaudi (talk) 22:38, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

About candidates
Can people from pre 19th century be added to the list? Manavati (talk) 21:11, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Potentially, assuming reliable sources of course. Which is difficult since the concept of a drug overdose is a modern one. Damien Linnane (talk) 01:24, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

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Tempe Girl
Hi. Regarding your edit here, I understand what you're saying, but doesn't the fact the person has enough media coverage to warrant a Wikipedia article confirm their notability? This is a list of 'notable' deaths, not just celebrities. Tens of thousands of regular people suicide from drugs every year, but few of those gather considerable media coverage. One of those that did is Suicide of Kelly Yeomans, and it is in the list. What are your thoughts on her inclusion in the list? Is she notable? I'm interested to hear what other people think about this change too. Damien Linnane (talk) 23:36, 20 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @, the existence of a wikipedia article does not necessarily guarantee that an article meets the criteria at WP:N. Articles get created routinely which do not meet our notability criteria which is why we have a busy group of dedicated editors at WP:AFD. If you had looked at the Tempe Girl article recently, you would have noticed that there is an on-going discussion at Articles for deletion/Tempe Girl (2nd nomination) where there is currently an early consensus for deletion. I have no opinion on the Yeomans article because I have not looked at the sourcing for the article in relation to our notability guidelines. Best.4meter4 (talk) 00:35, 21 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @, I actually had looked at the article recently, though it's not on my watchlist, so I didn't notice that you nominated it for deletion yourself just minutes after your edit removing reference to it from this article. It certainly looks like your nomination will result in deletion, so I'm not going to contest this further. Damien Linnane (talk) 12:09, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

John Dye
Actor John Dye's autopsy is available online, it states that he passed from acute meth intoxication. I don't know how to add people to the list so thought I would add this here. 170.253.205.26 (talk) 20:30, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing that out. I've added him to the list. Damien Linnane (talk) 02:45, 26 May 2023 (UTC)