Talk:List of earthquakes in Germany

Main part of German article
The main section of the German article, covering the geology of the "Cologne Bight," needs to be translated and added to the start of this article, before the mention of the 2009 quake. Only the list of quakes has been thus far transferred over, so context and in particular discussion of the role of mining explosions is lacking. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:37, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I have now added this, plus some material on the entirety of seismic zones in Germany, but I don't know enough about the field to be sure it is accurate and well enough explained. Article needs to be looked over by someone who knows some geology. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:07, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It doesn't look too bad, I'll give it a more thorough look when I have time - need to check exactly where the Rhine Graben runs. I've downloaded a copy of the EU wide earthquake catalogue (426BC to 1983AD) from here, so I may be able to add some details. My plan would be to turn this into a table, as the catalogue has lat longs dates times magnitudes intensities for most of the events listed in the article - unfortunately nothing on damage or casualties. Mikenorton (talk) 23:00, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I found that I didn't know enough about the geology so I ended up creating a page for the European Cenozoic Rift System. I'll look at it again now. Mikenorton (talk) 21:25, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, great! I am really wondering how the Leipzig seismic zone fits into the picture.Yngvadottir (talk) 21:31, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Part of the problem with the various sources is nomenclature - the Lower Rhine Graben contains both the Cologne Bight and the Lower Rhine Embayment and they may all be referring to the same thing (or not). The area of high seismicity in western Saxony appears to be associated with the western end of the Eger graben, but I haven't found a source yet that says that. I'll keep looking. Mikenorton (talk) 22:02, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Rename to 'List of earthquakes in Germany'?
As this article is mainly a list, perhaps it should be renamed as suggested in this section title. Mikenorton (talk) 21:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * See above section; the main part of the German article needs to be added. If no one else does it, I will, but it will take me a day or two to get to it. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:37, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Translation credit
As it stands, most of this article is translated from the de.wikipedia article Erdbebengebiet Kölner Bucht. 2 sections summarize material from de.wikipedia articles on specific historic quakes. See the translation statements at the end of the article. The interwiki link to the main German article has now been removed both there and here. The article needs to say more about the seismically active areas in Germany outside the Cologne Bight, but it doesn't yet, so I'd like to make perfectly clear that I based the article on translation of that article. Credit where credit is due. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:27, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * A good point, such credits are even mandatory to maintain the GFDL license. I've moved the credits to this talk page though for two reasons. The translation/ref template has been criticised again and again for being mistaken as a self-reference to Wikipedia (which can easily be avoided by placing it into "External links"). What was more important to me though, is that translation/ref does not show the names of the source article but displays "the corresponding article" by default, which is confusing when you use more than one of those. translated page is explicitely for use on talk pages though, so let's show the credits here. De728631 (talk) 20:51, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Move
Closed as no consensus towards renaming to proposed name. Although I saw support for another name. May be relisted at a later time. 
 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was no consensus Jojhutton (talk) 16:11, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Earthquakes in Germany → Seismology of Germany — This article pays much attention to the geology and other aspects of German seismology; it's not simply a list of earthquakes, which would be possible with the current title, and which would be mandatory with a "List of earthquakes in Germany title". Yes, there are a few "Earthquakes in [country]" articles, but almost no countries have them, so I don't see that as very weighty. | Relisted billinghurst  sDrewth  15:52, 21 July 2010 (UTC)|Relisted billinghurst  sDrewth  17:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC) Nyttend (talk) 03:32, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * If it is moved, then it should be to Seismicity of Germany - seismology is the study of earthquakes, whereas seismicity describes the occurrence of earthquakes. Still nothing wrong in my view of calling it List of earthquakes in Germany - compare List of earthquakes in New Zealand, nothing wrong with having several sections of explanatory text up front in a list article.Mikenorton (talk) 08:04, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I feel strongly that it should not be moved to List of earthquakes in Germany, but not so strongly about a move to Seismicity of Germany. I don't see much difference between that and the current title, which I developed the article to fit after it was created.Yngvadottir (talk) 18:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


 * At this point there is not a firm proposal/consensus, so relisting, and there is no agreed position, it will probably be closed without consensus. billinghurst  sDrewth  15:52, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Title
There has been discussion in the past of whether this article should be moved to List of earthquakes in Germany, but the idea never gained consensus. An editor just moved it to that title; I've reverted the move pending discussion. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:55, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 7 March 2015
Earthquakes in Germany → List of earthquakes in Germany – As this is a list article, and we have many other lists of earthquakes (by country and even by US state), I made the move (March 7) to conform to the rest (before it was moved back to its current title). There is no reason not to use the list title. Some of our list articles incorporate a brief synopsis of the area's faults and overall seismicity; that's fine to do. Dawnseeker2000  21:07, 7 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Discussion


 * Move to List of earthquakes in Germany – The remainder of our list articles use the "List of" prefix (please hover over the link to see the target page). Items in bold are the list articles that have some discussion on the regional tectonics. Yngvadottir's statement (and reason for moving the article back – about keeping the title as it is) because the "scope of article is broader" isn't making sense to me. If that logic is to be followed, we'd have to move (all the bold) articles with an appropriate preface to a title that excludes "List of..." because they have a tectonic summary. We're not going to do that. In my opinion, all of these articles need some sort of preface to the list (as this one does). Over time, these articles will all have a tectonic summary preface and, like I said, my move today was for uniformity. The words "List of" do not (in any shape or form) limit these "List of earthquakes in..." articles. Dawnseeker2000   21:12, 7 March 2015 (UTC)


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 * Move - I have previously argued for just this change. I do note however that if the sections describing the seismicity becomes long enough, then two article may result, as has happened with Earthquakes in New Zealand and List of earthquakes in New Zealand, with the former only retaining the most notable earthquakes. Mikenorton (talk) 11:06, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Mild oppose - this is more of an article on the topic of earthquakes in Germany with notable occurrences, which happens to contain an embedded list, rather than a straight-up list with no prose content. Ivanvector (talk) 18:50, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * As I've explained above, all these articles will have prose at some point. It's just a matter of time (There's only a few of us actively doing this). The intent is to have lists along with as much explanation and detail as our worn fingertips will allow. They would be (and are) severely lacking without. Dawnseeker2000   01:56, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hence why I said "mild oppose". I think it would be better generally if an article could be written about earthquakes in Germany since it seems to be a somewhat notable topic, and then the list split out into its own article. However I think that this sentiment has been better explained already, so I'll change to Move per, and don't let me hold this up. Ivanvector (talk) 02:25, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

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