Talk:List of electronic literature authors, critics, and works

Needs cleanup badly
This needs cleanup badly to sort through which authors are truly notable as far as electronic literature goes as well as what defines someone who belongs in this list. Do we include people who only publish electronically or do we include people who publish both paper and electronically? Also, does electronic only mean people who publish ebooks or also people who publish spoken podcast novels? What is the criteria for belonging on this page? Should the people on this list have to prove that they are notable? My worry is that there are a lot of redlinked names on this page and I can't help but feel that not all of the people on here are notable. If I were to publish a review blog or self-publish a book through CreateSpace, would I be able to list my name here? This just seems a little bit like link cruft. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 05:17, 1 December 2011 (UTC)tokyogirl79
 * See below: New lede Northamerica1000 (talk) 04:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this note. We should not include works that are transmitted electronically--that is, works that do not rely on an extra element such as images, sound, navigation, etc. to convey integral portions of the text and meaning. LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 16:27, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Proposed deletion
This is such an open ended topic that it can be badly abused. Even before I cleaned the article up, the idea of what constitutes "electronic literature" is very open ended. Do we only include people who publish solely by ebook? Do we include the people who do podcast novels? How about newspapers that publish electronically? Do we also include people who write internet code? Even if we note this, then we need to worry about when we exclude people from this list. What makes a person notable enough to be included in the list? Tokyogirl79 (talk) 09:30, 1 December 2011 (UTC)tokyogirl79

Added to lede
"This list is specific to literature published electronically, and does not include web blogs, newspapers, directories, etc." Northamerica1000 (talk) 07:08, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

New lede
I feel that this list has merit for inclusion, and if it became too long, new articles could be created from subsections. I rewrote the lede further, making this list exclusive to works only published electronically:

"This list is specific and exclusive to literature published electronically, and does not include works published in book format, web blogs, newspapers, directories, etc."
 * — Northamerica1000 (talk) 04:31, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Revised lede
This is a list of electronic literature authors and works (that originate from digital environments), and its critics. Electronic literature is a literary genre consisting of works of literature that originate'' within digital environments. This list is specific and exclusive to literature and works originally published electronically, and does not include works published in book format only, web blogs, newspapers, directories, etc. However, this list may include works that have been published both electronically and in print.
 * — Northamerica1000 (talk) 09:02, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

If this is not the place, what is is the appropriate place for creators of literature that was generated electronically, but not necessarily published online? For example, Jackson Mac Low (amongst others) worked with computer generated texts back in the 60s; they were printed. There are antecedents in the 50s and late 40s whose end results also originally went to paper. There is a page for Digital Poetry - but that presupposes poetry as a category, and describes it as a subset of Electronic literature - which again asserts works originally published electronically. Michael Paulukonis (talk) 13:22, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I think my confusion lies in the use of both "works ... that originate within digital environments" and " works originally published electronically". Since the article for Electronic literature doesn't discuss publication, I'm unclear as to why a more specific usage is present on this list. Michael Paulukonis (talk) 19:09, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

EL publications?
I would like to suggest that this page might include notable publications specializing in electronic literature. I know of at least a handful that target native-digital literary forms (as opposed to plain vanilla epubs). For instance, Mediamatic Magazine and Triple Canopy (online magazine) come to mind as possibilities. Alafarge (talk) 01:17, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

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Electronic Literature authors clean up
I have used these criteria to add names to this list:

Electronic Literature is defined as "Electronic literature is born-digital literary art that exploits, as its muse and medium, the transmedia possibilities of the digital. It is, according to the Electronic Literature Organization (ELO), “work with an important literary aspect that takes advantage of the capabilities and contexts provided by the stand-alone or networked computer.” Amanda Starling Gould, 2012, A Bibliographic Overview of Electronic Literature, Electronic Literature Organization. https://directory.eliterature.org/article/4573#:~:text=Electronic%20literature%20is%20born-digital%20literary%20art%20that%20exploits%2C,contexts%20provided%20by%20the%20stand-alone%20or%20networked%20computer.%E2%80%9D

These authors are already in wikipedia and have written works that adhere to this definition of electronic literature. Justifications for my additions. Anna Anthropy is an American video game designer,[3] role-playing game designer, and interactive fiction author whose works include Mighty Jill Off and Dys4ia.

Adrianne Wortzel wrote an autobiography by using an algorithm and scrambled documents, similar to the Oulipo traditions. SOLACE AND PERPETUITY, A LIFE STORY, is an autobiography where memories are retrieved in an arbitrary order.

Alison Knowles created The House of Dust, known as the first computer-generated poem, a type of digital poetry, in collaboration with composer James Tenney in 1967. This is an important first in electronic literature.

Amaranth Borsuk' Between Page and Screen (Siglio, 2012), with Brad Bouse is a merging of a print book with a digital back story. "Between Page and Screen has reinvented visual poetry. . . . Such a book heralds the virtual reality of our own poetic future, when everyone can read a book while watching it play on television, each hologram standing in its cone of light, hovering above the open page." Christian Bok. http://sigliopress.com/book/between-page-and-screen/

Belen Gache Since 2013, she has developed the Kublai Moon project, an example of "distributed literature" or "literature across networks", through different media (blogs, automatic poem generator, invented typography, Vimeo, and other platforms 2.0) a linguistic sci-fi saga that tells the story of the moon trip of the narrator's alter ego together with Commander Aukan and robot AI Halim.

Camille Utterback's work includes Text Rain (1999), created in collaboration with Romy Achituv, in which participants use their bodies to lift and play with falling letters projected on a wall, and Shifting Times (2007), — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoveElectronicLiterature (talk • contribs) 02:50, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Cathy Marshall might also be listed under critics, but her seminal work Forward Anywhere is a good example of early preweb hypertexts.

Claire Dinsmore founded and published Cauldron & Net, a collection of electronic literature, from 1997 to 2002. These files are now being served on the NeXt, an online digital repository and museum sponsored by the University of Washington  — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoveElectronicLiterature (talk • contribs) 23:27, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Dene Grigar should also probably be under critics, but she has written electronic literature, so I added her to the authors. She is most notable for her archiving work in digital literature. 6 Drunken Boat Panliterary Awards.[12] "Fallow Fields: A Story in Two Parts" was published in The Iowa Web Review,[13] while the NEH funded her Fort Vancouver Mobile project.[14] — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoveElectronicLiterature (talk • contribs) 02:08, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

J.R. Carpenter has been writing electronic texts since 1993. She made her first web-based work for Netscape 1.1. in 1995. Since that time her pioneering works of Electronic literature have been published, performed, and presented in festivals, galleries and museums around the world, including: Montreal Museum of Fine Arts, Dare-Dare, OBORO and StudioXX in Montreal; Images Festival and Museum of Contemporary Canadian Art[14] in Toronto; Arnolfini[15] in Bristol; Palazzo delle arti Napoli in Naples; Machfeld Studio in Vienna; The Web Biennial in Istanbul; Open Space, San Francisco Museum of Modern Art in San Francisco; and Bibliothèque nationale de France and Le Cube in Paris.

Judith Pintar is the author of CosmoServe, an interactive fiction (IF) that simulates the interface of Compuserve Information Service (CIS), the first major online service provider before and during the early years of the World Wide Web.[2]

Kate Armstrong: See the projects list for a lot of her projects that use generative text.

Kathy Mac wrote one of the first pieces of electronic literature, Unnatural Habitats, from Eastgate Systems. Are we allowed to quote from the publisher's site?

Mabel Addis is an early forerunner and important in the history of narrative games, a form of electronic literature.

xyz (2009) combined Mary Flanagan's interests in virtual environments and interactive writing, allows participants to build poetry in 2-dimensional game worlds. Player-writers navigate three different worlds, each representing one axis and containing 1/3 of a larger text. As the players construct stanzas, they are projected onto a central screen combining the three disparate texts into one new work.

Melinda Rackham's carrier won The Mayne Award for Multimedia,[2] part of the Adelaide Festival Awards for Literature. In an interview with Eugene Thacker in CTheory, Rackham speaks of dealing with the body at a molecular level "infectious agents... steaming open protoplasmic envelopes, penetrating cellular cores, crossing species boundaries, and shattering illusions of the discrete autonomy of ourselves"[3][better source needed]

Nancy Buchanan produced two interactive computer pieces about pressing social issues: Peace Stack (named with reference to the authoring platform, Hypercard, exhibited 1991 in World News, Beyond Baroque Gallery, Venice, CA and at the Muckenthaler Cultural Center, Fullerton, CA), and S&L (S&L: Transactions in the Post-Industrial Era, Walter/McBean Gallery, San Francisco Art Institute, 1991).

In 1993, Buchanan began work on a more elaborate interactive project, Developing: The Idea of Home. Incorporating images, video, audio and text recognition, it is a meditation on the significance of what home means in the contemporary era of rapacious land speculation and environmental degradation. Incorporating materials from many of her travels, including Namibia and Banff, Alberta, where she had a residency.

I think we could put Olia Lialina into critic, too. But I put her with authors as she wrote Boyfriend Came Back From The War is a 1996 hypertext narrative of a couple that meet when the male comes back from a war. The female talks about cheating, and there is some mention of marriage. The user can select their own path. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoveElectronicLiterature (talk • contribs) 02:21, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Sarah Smith with Eastgate Systems (1991). The King of Space. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoveElectronicLiterature (talk • contribs) 03:00, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Tina Escaja is considered a pioneer in the field of Electronic literature in Spanish.

Yael Kanarek has been developing an integrated media project called World of Awe since 1995. At the core of World of Awe is "The Traveler's Journal"—an original narrative that uses the ancient genre of the traveler's tale to explore connections between storytelling, travel, memory and technology.[2]  — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoveElectronicLiterature (talk • contribs) 14:35, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

CRITICS Astrid Ensslin has published books through MIT press on electronic literature aspects (e.g., Canonizing Hypertext: Explorations and Constructions, Bloomsbury Acadeimc and Professional, July 2007; Literary Gaming " Astrid Ensslin examines literary videogames—hybrid digital artifacts that have elements of both games and literature, combining the ludic and the literary.") MIT Press, March 14, 2014; and Pre-web Digital Publishing and the Lore of Electronic Literature Cambridge University Press 10 March 2022.

J.Yellowlease Douglas' thesis, Writing Coastlines: Locating Narrative Resonance in Transatlantic Communications Networks[1] "contributed to the creation of a new narrative context from which to examine a multi-site-specific place-based identity by extending the performance writing methodology to incorporate digital literature and locative narrative practices, by producing and publicly presenting a significant body of creative and critical work, and by developing a mode of critical writing which intertwines practice with theory."[1]

Janet Murray's major book is Hamlet on the Holodeck: The Future of Narrative in Cyberspace, which asks whether the computer can provide the basis for an expressive narrative form, — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoveElectronicLiterature (talk • contribs) 02:12, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Jessica Pressman is a scholar who studies electronic literature including digital poetry, media studies, and experimental literature. She creates works that examine how technologies affect reading practices that are displayed through several media forms.[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoveElectronicLiterature (talk • contribs) 21:29, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

??? I want to link to Laura Borras, but I only know of her electronic literature work and do not know if this is the same person as the President of the Parliment of Catalonia?? Help??

Lisbeth Klastrup's early research was on hypertext fiction.

Marie-Laure Ryan is an independent literary scholar and critic. She has written several books and articles on narratology, fiction, and cyberculture and has been awarded several times for her work.[3] LoveElectronicLiterature LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 02:11, 16 August 2022 (UTC).

How many works do we want to list?
We could go on and on and on about works about electronic literature--is that a good idea to do? LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 00:45, 19 August 2022 (UTC).
 * I think we should encourage better Wikipedia coverage of works. One way of doing so is to list articles which have already been written. I've been expanding this section on the basis of the articles I could find. We should also make sure they are included in the appropriate subcategories of Category:Electronic literature works.--Ipigott (talk) 15:13, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

How do we want to list works?
I deleted this text: They are created by digital poet and net-artist Jason Nelson whose career has been devoting to exploring interface, interactivity, and surrealism within electronic literature. We could have this type of desription for every single article. How do we want to address works? Please help us with this project at WP:WELW. Thank you. LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 13:22, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

==I need help with citations. Not sure why my isbn number for Hayles 2008 is messed up? The fly leaf states ISBN 13:978-0-268-03084-1?

Do we want to list ALL writers who do not have a corresponding wikipedia page?
There are over 400 writers that we could mention here. I do have a list of women electronic literature writers that we are working on. What should the criteria be for listing authors on this page? LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 15:55, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I think we should concentrate on those who already have a Wikipedia page. After all, the list is intended by facilitate access to articles. In line with Wikipedia lists, any who do not yet have a page should be adequately referenced.--Ipigott (talk) 15:16, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Really need to split out critical works
Hi I am starting a list of critical works important to our field. We should probably have a new page for these. @Lijil Can we leave them here as I am also mining each of these for notable references to important works, and then figure out a way to merge this with ELMCIP data? Thanks!

Should we just have lists like:
 * Electronic Literature Writers
 * Electronic Literature Women Writers
 * Electronic Literature Works
 * Electronic Literature Works of Criticism
 * Electronic Literature Publishers, Collections, and Journals?? LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 22:27, 18 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I suggest that for the time being, we try to improve coverage on this page but sooner or later it would be good to have separate lists as you suggest. We already have List of women electronic writers which we should continue to improve. It's important, not only because women are pretty active in the field but because Wikipedia needs to improve coverage of women. As you suggested in an edit comment, I think it would be useful to include some of the names under Further reading in the Critics section, which could be improved with summary information on each name. Strictly speaking, Further reading should come right at the bottom of the page, after references, and should above all include works which provide useful overviews. I also think it would be useful to work on the Awards section. We could immediately draw on the listings presented on Electronic Literature Organization and on New Media Writing Prize. And how about the UKLA Digital Book Award or the Digital Book World Awards which both address publishing? We should look carefully at the names in these and similar award listings as they often form a basis for creating new biographies. Would you like me to make a start on any of this? (cc )--Ipigott (talk) 09:01, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * See also my replies to earlier queries.--Ipigott (talk) 15:22, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you a thousand fold for cleaning up the award section!! LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 16:39, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you a thousand fold for cleaning up the award section!! We would really need to look at each award and category for the Book Awards, as these are often for e-pub books (books that could be printed out, that do not use another medium as an integral part of the work, etc.) and thus are not electronic literature. I had listed out the only Woollahra Digital Literary Awards that pertained to digital literature specifically. The rest are more for e-pub books or digital art. I realize that lines are fuzzy, but we can draw most distinctions. Should we re-list the electronic literature specific Digital awards in Woollahra? I would have to comb through that award listing again to recreate it. LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 16:45, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that in this listing we should provide too much detail for each award. Further details could of course be added to the corresponding Wikipedia articles. On Woollahra, as the awards are restricted to Australians I did not think we should give this more attention than the others. You can see the award winners by clicking on the reference. But nothing has been lost. If you click on "View history" at the top of the page, you can turn up "List of electronic literature authors, critics, and works: Revision history". If you click on 19 November, you'll be able to see and restore your text. If you would like me to restore it, just let me know. Thanks for all the other improvements you've been making.--Ipigott (talk) 08:35, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did not want to give the Woollahra awards more attention. I had originally had an article based on the New Media one that listed all of the Woollahra awards. But this article was denied when I submitted it, so I had just extracted the salient ones for Electronic Literature. Maybe we should just re-submit a page with the Woollahra awards? Or maybe we should have a listing like this:
 * New Media Prize
 * Electronic Literature Organization Awards
 * Other Awards for Electronic work
 * Wollahra?
 * Thank you so much for working with us! LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 23:00, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Early prototype hypertext writers
This category would include a lot of our writers, as well as most experiments with visual typography, text and art intermingled (such as William Blake, Book of Kells, etc.) So is it worth going through and listing each early prototype hypertext writer? IF so, should we just do a separate list? LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 16:49, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I already started Category:Precursors_of_electronic_literature but it only has a few in it now. Is that what you mean by early prototype hypertext writing? Lijil (talk) 13:24, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, we have a subheading right now on this list of electronic literature authors, critics, and works that lists just a couple of early prototype hypertext writers. It might be best just to have that category and link to that category rather than manually listing these early works? OR maybe we can write up something that explains that there are many early hypertext prototypes (maybe summarize Landow 2006, Hypertext 3.0)? Thanks! LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 23:03, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Categories
@LijilLet's figure out categories. I think that we can have both the parent and the child categories on each electronic literature work. Readers may want to generate an entire list of works and thus would go to (Category: Electronic literature works) or (hypertext fiction) rather than seeing the date on a work (Category: 1990s electronic literature works). So I think we can have more than one category listed for each work? "Categories allow articles to be placed in one or more groups, and allow those groups to be further categorized. An article belonging to a category should contain a link to a page that describes the category. Similarly, a sub-category belonging to a parent category should contain a link to the parent category's page."Wikipedia:FAQ/Categorization - Wikipedia We will need to figure out categorization as we incorporate ELMCIP data into Wikipedia.... LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 20:47, 24 November 2023 (UTC)