Talk:List of emoticons/Archive 2

Whatever happened to WP:COMMON?
This talk-page and revision history is severely lacking common sense. A list of emoticons shouldn't need very strong reliable sources. I don't advocate people adding emoticons willy-nilly, but this is not a very serious article. Lyoko is Cool (talk) 06:02, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I see where Bility is coming from (WP:NOR, blah de blah), but I would also like to point out WP:IRS: "The reliability of a source depends on context. Each source must be carefully weighed to judge whether it is reliable for the statement being made and is the best such source for that context." Also, WP:COMMON and WP:IAR: "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it." Seems like if there ever was a case where WP:IAR applies, this would be it. I think the sources for the removed content were good enough, - ryan  d  20:35, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Common sense would be to apply WP:COMMON and WP:IAR when it is unambiguously helpful to do so. This list has been semi-protected three times and numerous concerns about original research have been raised since its creation. If there were a finite amount of emoticons and there was no other way to get them, then yes I'd agree with you both. However, this particular subject is ever-expanding and is made up of items that can be created by any individual. To me, common sense is to restrict what is allowed on the list to avoid bloating it with uncommon, originally researched emoticons. — Bility (talk) 23:26, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Reliable derps

 * 2chan is user-generated content where anyone can say anything. Pretty much the definition of "unreliable". -Bility

You do realize that you're saying this on wikipedia, right? Is this site reliable because we have responsible moderation to ensure that emoticons are truly emoticons? ¯\_(ಠ⌣ಠ)_/¯ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.178.61 (talk)
 * No, Wikipedia is not a reliable source in Wikipedia's definition. — Bility (talk) 20:30, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

crop seeding digested food brained editors
I'm going to be a real anus and make sure the editor knows this one fact...

IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE A LARGE EDIT USE A SANDBoX AND DONT REMOVE CONTENT UNTIL THERE IS FECAL MATTER TO REPLACE IT WITH

THANK YOU

GOOD CROP SEEDING DAY

ADDENDUM "list of emoticons" implies that it is a list of emoticons. not including EMOTICONS because of UNREALIABLE SOURCES is blatantly retarded... do you understand what an emoticon is? do you understand what wikipedia is? wikipedia last I checked was an encyclopedia... a COMPENDIUM OF KNOWLEDGE

FOR SOMETHING LIKE EMOTICONS YOU TAKE THE MOST COMMON OCCURANCE WHEN IT OCCURS PAST A THRESHOLD AND DECLARE THAT THE CONTENT

FUCK YOU I LOVE CAPS LOCK WHEN IM ANGRY IT LOOKS LIKE SHOOT- I MEAN SHOUTING

STOP USING MY COMPUTER WHEN IM NOT IN THE ROOM — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.107.47.138 (talk) 22:01, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

I used this page as a reference point for lots of emoticons, I come here today and they're all gone. How can you have a reliable source for an emoticon? I guess I'll just update my bookmark to the past version of the page seeing this silliness to "clean up" a list of emoticons is happening. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.184.33.244 (talk) 01:48, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * There are 10 sources on the list as of this response, so it's definitely possible. — Bility (talk) 10:34, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

I disagree with the language above, but I do agree with the point. The emoticons that have been deleted are useful in many ways, and they break the monotony of regular emoticons such as ":)" or ">_<". The Eastern emoticons especially are very useful. Please don't clear emoticons merely because of unfounded sources. Mccallister8 (talk) 03:11, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * "Usefulness" is inherently subjective and is why we use reliable sources, so those decisions aren't made by the editors making the articles. — Bility (talk) 10:34, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

I also disagree with the language but concur with the point. Emoticons themselves are, with few exceptions, inherently non-sourced because of the process of which creates them. Removing a majority of the content after the page itself surviving two deletion attempts appears churlish to me. I found the Eastern/2chan ones to be particularly useful and informative because I did not even know about 2chan - but I did know what an emoticon was and that if I wanted a reasonably reliable and explanatory compendium, Wikipedia was the place to go. Please revert. Morncreek (talk) 03:45, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The last AfD was almost two years ago and I prefer to see the edits as cleanup rather than just removals. I did add emoticons from one of the surviving sources that weren't on the list and I've gone out and found others, both Western and Eastern. I think we agree that Wikipedia should be a "reasonably reliable and explanatory compendium", although I try to use the policies and guidelines that are backed by the community's consensus to define "reliability". I really have tried to find good sources for the 2chan emoticons and others I removed, by the way. If anyone provides a good source I'd be happy to add them… — Bility (talk) 10:34, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

there is no reason to remove commonly accepted emoticons from this list. Following this ultra strict adherence to the rules would require the whole page be removed, and this abuse of guidelines is trolling

you dont need a source if millions of people use something as a standard... and calling out power tripping is necessary — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.107.47.138 (talk) 18:06, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * "commonly accepted" is established through reliable sources. "Following this ultra strict adherence to the rules" has led to almost 200 sourced emoticons. I'd be interested to see where you get your numbers in regards to "millions of people use something as a standard". If it's so common, surely a reliable source has written about it? — Bility (talk) 22:06, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

These deletions over emoticons is getting annoying. ಠ_ಠ (oh wait, can't use ಠ_ಠ because it's not notable herp derp.) Emoticons are serious business.  Agent Vodello OK, Let's Party, Darling! 21:09, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

you must at least acknowledge that the "editor" of the "list of emoticons" page is deleting content with no good reason.

an emoticon is created by a group of creative individuals and then it spreads, it IS internet culture and having a whole section dedicated to "internet culture" requires a comprehensive list of emoticons.

you should define what an emoticon is

you should define what you want in internet culture (information without a source? thats impossible? the source is the community or millions of people using it as an accepted standard)

most importantly.... when an editor deletes large sections of content that many people use daily willy nilly citing "its got no source" is a sign of someone who doesn't understand the internet... he says he found sources for the "other east asain emoticons" ...

sounds like he just didnt like the way it looked and tore it down without thought for others.

at the very least, revert it, have the guy USE A SANDBOX to make a new article and replace the reversion — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.107.47.138 (talk) 14:40, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

-- everyone can write a book. everyone can write an article on some news side. so why do you ignore "knowyourmeme" as reliable source with the reasoning "everyone can edit it"? the side is DEDICATED to be some sort of reference book for internet memes. the interest in "google search" values alone should be a source for the credibility of the meme, there are also plenty of examples. the side has standards itself like wikipedia. how can you give any other reliable source for an internet thing then the internet itself? in this case you have to understand that it's hard to give 'reliable sources' that fit your view. as one said, clinging blindly to the guidelines is not appropiate here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.197.122.252 (talk) 18:28, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a good question. In this case the internet is a primary source and we need a neutral secondary source that has done the filtering, interpreting and drawing of conclusions. This allows editors of the wiki to collate and report on those sources instead of performing original research. As for the reliability of sources, while anyone can write a book or article, not every book or article is reliable. Reliable sources have a history of fact-checking, accuracy and editorial oversight. So books or articles written by random, anonymous people are just as unreliable as posts to knowyourmeme, etc. I think what everyone is getting hung up on is the existence of these emoticons. Everyone, including myself, would surely agree they exist and may even be extensively used, however we're not inherently reliable, non-original sources ourselves just because we use the internet and see things on it. — Bility (talk) 20:07, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

so ... you're saying to everyone... done use wikipedia for lists of emoticons because we dont give a shit about how much you have to search to find a nice list... if it isnt reliably sourced you wont find a NICE WELL FORMATTED list here
 * If you're looking for utility, you'd be better off with a site that is dedicated to listing emoticons. Wikipedia has a much different purpose. Here are some sites you might find useful: Hiroette.com, Japanese Emoticons, Evoticon. Hope that helps! Cheers, — Bility (talk) 22:11, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

DID HE JUST GIVE A SOURCE FOR EVERYTHING HE TOOK DOWN?!?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.107.47.138 (talk) 12:52, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * As I said before, I have looked for sources for everything I took out. Finding sources for emoticons is no sweat—it's finding reliable sources that is much more difficult. — Bility (talk) 19:30, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

- Blity or Bilty, I really dont know why you are in the internet editing internet-related articles without any common knowledge of the internet. I agree with EVERYONE on this page (except the crazy wtf people) who are against what you did. Like srsly. Some people just write Wiki articles with no sources at all. We are all ranting about this. C'mon. Dont give me that "oh you need sources bullshit". Because the only sources you'll be getting is from us saying "there are no sources! They are just there! We just use them! They got popular!" think of it like a phenomenon. Most phenomenons don't have sources. MOST. They just appear. Like emoticons. We <3 this page and look what you did. You ruined it. Someone probably got your address and is writing a death threat to you this very moment. Go to edit article about boring things that not too many care about. You don't belong in the cool part of the internet. Be a book editor. Gtfo. Hope something bad happens to you this year.hugs and kisses. xoxo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.199.225.72 (talk) 06:43, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

^^^^^ I agree with the last guy, like ten-fold. Preceding unsigned comment added by 15.67.97.148 (talk) 11:53, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

open message to bility: a supportive reply to "whatever happened to WP:COMMON?
please excuse the long rant and lack of grammar in this somewhat informal setting, but i have many points to make because this is completely ridiculous. i never comment on a wiki but im outraged at what i see here -- some guy trying way too hard to follow the rules and ruining a perfectly good page for everyone else. hey bility, if you 'find this page completely useless' as you previously stated, why are you editing it and making it WORSE for those who find good use for its content? i used to come to this page for emoticons all the time. i come back and its butchered. i read the talk logs and im outraged. sourcing an emoticon is just plain silly, as it is an open-source type concept which we all can create or add to, so long as the emoticon in question looks good and is an accurate representation.

bility, please stop ruining this page for others. in the rules it clearly states to USE COMMON SENSE in matters such as these. sure, a source is needed for a piece of information, but an emoticon is not information in that sense, it is an ever-evolving form of expression, conveying an emotion rather than an idea or thing, and emotions do not have a source outside of ourselves. how does one source an expression except from those who use the expression in question? therefore, how can one be selective in which sources they allow when each one of us is in fact a source as much as the next? seems a lot to me like bias.

anyways, im sure you dont use this page yourself, as you stated it was 'useless', so really, what are you thinking? its really just not cool, nor is it practical, and there certainly isnt much common sense involved when everyone is telling you to stop and youre still acting like someone besides you thinks its a good idea.. so, maybe people should only edit pages they truly care about? that sure would improve the quality of this site. think about what i said, and hopefully one day i wont have to access the good old page through archives anymore. ;~;

p.s. you are clearly just riding on your own high horse and ignoring everyone elses reasoning. you can dance around interpretable clauses all you want, but in the end what matters is how USEFUL a page is for EVERYONE, not how well it correlates with one individuals perception on what the world is or should be. i honestly couldnt believe it when i heard you trash the article as 'useless'.

p.p.s. wouldnt the idea be to make this list as large (within reason, of course, but its not too hard to tell a stupid emoticon from a cool one, and even then, who honestly cares?) and USEFUL as possible, as a highly inclusive single reference point for emoticons, especially the ones that cant be entered regularly on a keyboard, that most western users would otherwise have a harder time finding and compiling? it sure is pretty useless right now with all those gone. yeah, im totally gonna come here to copypaste a (^.^), (-_-)or a :3 ... riiiiiight...

p.p.p.s. whats up with acting like those which are derived from 2ch arent part of this as much as the rest? id say those emoticons enjoy a similar amount of use as the rest of the ones on the list, or would if access to them was easier. and besides, they can be quite USEFUL on many different sites and places.

p.p.p.p.s. building off my earlier statements that each one of us is a potential source for emoticons as much as the next, is the simple fact that there are multiple people who utilize a certain emoticon not verification enough as to the validity of its existence?

bottom line - USEFUL, USEFUL, USEFUL! a wiki should be USEFUL! how are you improving an article by reducing its usefulness? what, am i going to get tired from scrolling down too much? ..please... get over it. the more people see the changes, the more voices of disapproval will roll in. i wonder how long this will take..? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.122.151.71 (talk) 03:50, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your thoughtful post on the matter. I know you've read my rationale before, so I won't harp on it, but let me address a couple things. First, I'm not the only one who wants this list cleaned up and verified—other users have closed edit requests and reverted restoration of the list. So while I am watching this page and trying to respond to complaints in order to explain things, I'm not alone. Second, I don't think Wikipedia was ever meant to be useful in the way you're defining it. This is a compendium of neutral, verifiable human knowledge with weight given in accordance with prevailing modern thought. If you just want a list of emoticons to copy/paste, I gave some links in a section above (Hiroette.com, Japanese Emoticons, Evoticon). Lastly, while I find the list itself of no use to me personally, I have come here many times to answer edit requests and so it has come to my attention that this list needs a watchful eye. I'm not here because I like the content of the list, but merely because it's an opportunity to safeguard an article that it seemed no one was taking care of.
 * As I said, I know nothing I say will convince you this is how the list should be, but the rules governing content really are there for a reason. It's exactly for reasoning like "id say those emoticons enjoy a similar amount of use as the rest of the ones on the list" that we use reliable sources and not the opinions of editors. Instead of arguing amongst ourselves about what should or shouldn't be on the list, a neutral outside source governs inclusion and helps ensure the validity of the entries. I'm sorry it's now more inconvenient for you and others, but I think the article has come more in line with the guidelines and policies of the wiki since the changes. I hope with the links above you're not too put out, and I hope everyone keeps bringing sources to our attention so we can continue adding to the list. Cheers, — Bility (talk) 06:26, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

but... you still cant source an emoticon. there really is no such thing as an 'invalid' emoticon, unless its something that doesnt make sense. i suppose we have more important things to worry about nowadays, but it still irks me that people really think that something like an emotion can possibly be sourced in the same way as a piece of data. i suppose i see your point on making this article somewhat of a general overlook of the most prominent ones, but really, accomplishing such a task is going to be pretty much impossible because of the inevitable inclusion of bias, as the content will be based on the content of whatever sources are deemed 'acceptable' (that microsoft site probably pulled those emoticons from some other site/sites that we are now labeling 'unverifiable') and this makes it a case of low sample rates, and low sample rates produce uninformed, narrow-sighted conclusions in any area which they manifest, which generally hinders our growth either individually or as a whole. this list itself may not be a big deal, noones going to draw incomplete conclusions based off a list of emoticons, and if they do it wont matter, but it certainly is reflective of a larger issue and resulting dispute within our society that we have yet to find a truly effective way of dealing with.

i always thought it would be interesting to see a wiki with two pages for each topic - the 'verifiable' content, and a collection of 'unverifiable' content and misc user notes with a disclaimer that they are not to be taken for fact until researched or properly sourced. i see alot of capability in a platform such as that, as it seems to capture the best of both worlds. perhaps that doesnt fit the focus of this site, and perhaps there would be some logistical problems in implementing such a feature, though i cant for the life of me see what they might be, but that is my 'better idea'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.122.151.71 (talk) 19:28, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's definitely possible to source emoticons, since the whole current list is sourced. If you read our verifiability policy, you'll see that in handling this kind of "larger issue", we simply rely on verifiability, not truth. We all know emoticons exist and are commonly used, but that's simply not enough to be on a Wikipedia article. Conversely, as long as it's sourced, even an emoticon that no one uses can be on the list. It's a known and acknowledged weakness of Wikipedia, but the alternative has its downsides too, and community consensus prefers the current inclusion rules. So, even though individual editors here and elsewhere may agree with you about emoticons in general, we are working toward a different purpose when it comes to Wikipedia articles. — Bility (talk) 22:35, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

can ayone tellme how to do the right side up darkened in heart
please help — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.63.255.110 (talk) 19:20, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * +: ♥. Make sure you're using your number pad (not the numbers across the top of the keyboard) and you have Number Lock on. Cheers, — Bility (talk) 21:29, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 January 2012
Would like to add the following Emoticon ;/ to represent disappointment

Skhadem1 (talk) 19:00, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Bility (talk) 19:24, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Why remove all the east asian emoticons?

 * Dear (Bility)

So from what i understand is that you want a book or research paper done by a third party in the relevant field and published by a third party in the relevant field (Who? The Internet Research Journal or the Journal Of emoticons... That doesn't exist?), and yet one can not use any evidence that it does exist because it only exists on a public forum (or any other public source) on the internet?

Great, So lets obey the standards of Wikipedia, Lets now: Delete this page. Delete the category of Internet Memes and culture. Delete any page about culture.

Doesn't this seem wrong? I wonder what else can be considered original research and verifiable...

Sounds like Wikipedia's content policies needs to be challenged.

Matthewburmeister (talk) 01:00, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You're free to challenge any content policies you like (Village pump (policy) might be a good place to start). You can see examples of valid sources for emoticons at the bottom of the list. — Bility (talk) 01:21, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Dear Bility,

could you please include back the east asian emoticons? i find this page useful for copy pasting/reference said emoticons and now that they are removed, this page seems to have lost a huge chunk of its usefulness :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.142.175.25 (talk) 16:36, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy to add any emoticon to the list if you can provide a reliable source to go with it. In the meantime, you can see everything in the history. — Bility (talk) 16:54, 26 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Dear (Bility)

Stop wanting a 'reliable source' for EMOTICONS. That is the single most retarded thing I've heard on wikipedia, wanting a reliable source for Emoticons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.174.38 (talk) 00:18, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It's part of one of our content policies (Verifiability). You can try changing the policy, but until then everything on the wiki should be verifiable. The reason it's so important on this list is because of its susceptibility to original research, making any additions likely to be challenged if unaccompanied by a source. — Bility (talk) 00:36, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah and the policy doesn't cover everything. If you want to get technical then you can say NONE of the sources for emoticons are reliable. So we should remove the page all together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.174.38 (talk)
 * Which sources do you find unreliable? — Bility (talk) 18:10, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

This may be a good resource for east asian/japanese emoticons: http://club.pep.ne.jp/~hiroette/en/facemarks/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.133.248.154 (talk) 09:09, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking that up! It has already been removed as unreliable, since it is a personal blog, but let me know if you find anything else! Cheers, — Bility (talk) 09:31, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

who the FUCK removed all the good emoticons. there isn't even that one with the eyebrows. whoever you are, please stop coming here and fucking shit up for no good reason — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.188.56.238 (talk)
 * I'd be happy to put anything back for which you can provide a reliable source. — Bility (talk) 18:10, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Dear Billy, you keep asking for a reliable source for the removed emoticons, what is considered a reliable source considering we're talking about internet meme and slang? If the entire internet isn't a reliable source, shouldn't 99% of wikipedia's content regarding internet phenomena be removed? Sincerly, a confused user and first time poster in the discussion page(s). PS: Where do we post sources, the "sup son" emoticon ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ most certainly have sources on how it became widespread (for the interested it's due to the professional StarCraft II player SeleCT of Team Dignitas). 188.114.162.15 (talk) 00:39, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Identifying reliable sources has information on what is considered a reliable source. You can post your sources right here and I'll add the emoticons to the list for you. Or, if you'd like to sign up, you can edit the list once you have become autoconfirmed. Hope that helps, — Bility (talk) 01:31, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if it'd be classified as acceptable sources, but here's the best I could muster: Probably the most renown western StarCraft page has an small note about his signature smiley on the player's wiki-page . His team's official webpage sell shirts with the smiley . Blog about a tournament where incidently SeleCT is captured doing his signature pose . A picture of said player doing the pose again . Not exactly a reliable source, but knowyourmeme have an entry regarding the smiley and a small tidbit on it's history . Sean "Day[9]" Plott uses it in one of his dailies . Finally a picture of fans using it on banners to cheer for their hero . It's hard to give concrete sources on it's usage online as it's primary used within the StarCraft II community, which more than often communicate through chats on livestreams or in-game on battle.net. I completely understand if it's not deemed reliable sources, but I think it'd be a shame not to include a relative new emoticon where we actually know who made it popular. Kind regards, the now less confused user. 188.114.162.15 (talk) 19:24, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Hey there, I've never edited or wrote anything in wiki, so I may not know exactly what I'm talking about concerning terms and policies and the like, but are we not just able to mark certain emoticons, or even tables of them, as or  (sorry, don't know how to add commands as text instead of commands) to state that certain articles or not credible/lack a reliable source? I know there are articles out there that lack citations, and are marked as such to inform users that this information may not be 100% reliable. As long as there was warning, does that not cover wikipedia's bases? 173.59.16.39 (talk) 17:15, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi and welcome. Those tags are not so much warnings to readers (though they can function that way) as indicators to other editors the things that are wrong with the article and should be fixed. The tag for "unsourced" even mentions that anything not properly cited can be challenged and removed at any time.  The idea is to have every article at the same high level of quality (independent and reliable sources, no original research, neutral point of view, etc.) and not allow articles to exist in a poor state unless we're working to make them better.  There are a lot of articles and a lot of improvements that need to be made all over the place so the work is never done and always in progress. SQGibbon (talk) 21:32, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Missing Emoticons
I would add these to the list, but the article is uneditable. Is that a word...?

Shark: _/\_

Person: \o/

Shark attack: _/\_\o/_

Shark attacking a cheerleader: _/\_*\o/*_

Marylin Monroe:
 * -.)B

Skateboarder: do<-<|:

Frog:
 * -)15:46, 22 January 2012 (UTC)*

That's all I have. I found a bunch of them in The Big Book of Girl Stuff by Joey King. They've been pretty useful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beingfunny (talk • contribs) 15:46, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

--

Hey, I'd like to add an obvious one that I use fairly often.....


 * -S

IE worried, difficult situation, don't know what to do!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.53.32.105 (talk) 10:46, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

2channel emoticons
Since the 2channel emoticons were removed from this article, I have copied them over to my userspace. I'll redirect that page back here if/when they are put back in this article (which, in my opinion, they should be). - EvilHom3r (talk) 07:12, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I suggest you read the user pages guideline and if you're not actively working on updating and sourcing it for the purpose of returning it to this list, tag it with, as it won't survive at miscellany for deletion. — Bility (talk) 16:49, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Please put back the 2Chan emoticons, they are different than the East Asian ones. ((Edit request on 27 December 2011))
Hi! I've always used this page to copy-paste emoticons from the 2Chan/Channel section all the time (including my friends after telling them) and now seeing it dissapear makes me really mad (you're lucky I'm not cussing yet) and if you can just undo revision/add the section to where they used to have "stereotypical mexican/japanese/taiwanese character" and others with the Japanese unicode font added (the section was called as "2channel emoticons)". The new ones are not even Japanese, more like Filipino/Malaysian to me. . .（ ´,_ゝ`). This bothers me so much, and I'm pretty sure there are others complaining out there. >:/ Just please leave "Asian/East Asian" and "2Channel" as two different sections because they are (you don't want me to explain do ya?). I know there has been some vandalism and millions of nonstop edits going on, but this page needs the 2Chan section back. Me and probably other people would GREATLY appreiate that.⌒☆ ヽ(●＾ヮ＾●)ﾉ SpikyGoose (talk) 23:26, 27 December 2011 (UTC) (stupid 30year old wiki people-mods always do it wrong)  SpikyGoose (talk) 23:26, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. In this case we need reliable sources for any emoticons you wish to include. The Asian emoticons are under a sections titled "Eastern", and I'll replace the unsourced sentence about "East Asia". — Bility (talk) 23:51, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

You've utterly destroyed a pretty useful reference for 2chan/Japanese emoticons. Considering 2chan is where these actually originate from, wouldn't that be considered a reliable, primary source? Do you even know anything about emoticons as they are used on the internet, or do you just enjoy screwing up wikipedia pages for fun? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.51.20.63 (talk) 01:16, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit (05:51, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Um...they are not read from top to bottom. They are read horizontally, usually left to right. The Asian language is read from top to bottom at times, but never the emoticons. I never mentioned that. :/ I found a great site with the 2Channel emoticons showing the most commonly used, and like others said, they can be varied and have different variations and styles made by the user; http://matsucon.net/material/dic/ *in sarcastic voice* too bad you can't read Japanese, it would've helped you understand more. So in a short and helpful description from us more internet savvy people like me, we can tell the difference between emoticons like these(a): :3 these(b): ^w^ or  'w' and these(c): (｀･ω･´). Emoticon Group A Is the popular standard American-origin emoticons, these are extremely rare to be seen in Japan, I've only seen it used once but only becuase the user wanted to put a Western emoticon for interest or style. Obviously, they are these: :), ):, :O, :*, xD, and :3 Emoticon Group B As an insulting way, people (commonly Americans) would describe people who use Group B emoticons as |"weeaboos", commonly used by non-japanese people who are Otaku, or people who are obsessed with anime that arn't Japanese. Non-Japanese Asian countries tend to use these emotions like Korea, and sometimes in Japan these would be used as the standardized version of American emoticons like ":)" → "^^" or "^_^" and ":,(" → ";__;" or "T__T". Those are your happy little "Eastern Emoticons". (with that saying, I think you should rename it as "Asian Emoticons") Emoticon Group C Group C would be used by the majority of Japanese. You can see these in NicoNico Douga (Japanese video website), 2Chan/2Channel (Japanese version of 4Chan, also the site where most of Group C emoticons originate from), blogs, Twitter, and sometimes on TV programmes and commercials. I can post some screenshots from Twitter and other sites, but with the tacky rules on posting images, I think its too much of a hassle for me. Anyways, the most common are (`･ω･´) (feeling perky), キタ━━━(゜∀゜)━━━!!!!! (kita, meaning "I got it!!"), Σ(ﾟДﾟ；) ( ﾟДﾟ) (surprised, confused), (ﾟAﾟ;) (´д｀) (worried, sad ), (*´ω｀*) (´ー｀) (*ﾟ∀ﾟ*) (・∀・) (happy, carefree), and (*´Д`)ﾊｧﾊｧ (haahaa, sexual stirring/masturbation/fapping) [sources: Matsucon.net (resource for 2Channel-based emoticons) and |One of my favorite pages where I always got my 2Channel emoticons from].
 * Convinced? What else is there to convince you? Throw a bunch of internet memes at your face to get you to understand? A petition signed by the C.E.Os of Tumblr, Youtube, Facebook, 2Chan along with the President of the US and Prime Minister of Japan? Look at all the complaints you have gotten since you made this drastic change (Dec. 24). I am trying my best to sound resourceful and convincing; this is one of my favorite pages in Wikipedia, and most people wouldn't know where else to go for a list of unique emoticons in a trusted popular website that is not in a foregin language. I can provide ideas, and maybe redesign some of the emoticon lists, add definitions for the emoticons and use Matsucon.net and other web resouces, all I am asking is to revert it back to when there were three sections each. But I guess we can remove some of the unpopular or biased, and add other ones, like the popular Western-Asian fusion emoticon "Look of Dissaproval" [ಠ_ಠ] and its variants (ಠ_ರೃ ಥ﹏ಥ ಥ⌣ಥ ಥ‿ಥ ಡ_ಡ ಠ⌣ಠ ಠ‿ಠ ). But for now, this is what I think of this new article. .|. t(-_-t) ("middle finger", gained popularity around July-August, soruces? My peers on Facebook and some users in Youtube and Tumblr. [this would be categorized in the Asian Emoticon section]) Basically, all emoticons come from our imagination and creativity, and based on how creative it is shows the popularity like the "middle finger". Furthermore, almost all emoticons including the ":)" face are all user-generated content. Science nor history created them, people of the internet did. Face it, everything you see and hear these days probably originated from the internet! ;) (and now I can sleep, with that being settled)  SpikyGoose (talk) 05:51, 29 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Regarding "they are not read from top to bottom. They are read horizontally, usually left to right", I'm trying to explain that you don't generally need to tilt your head and read left to right to understand the Asian emoticons. If you have a better way to get that across I'll be happy to add it. As for matsucon.net, it appears to be a personal hobby site (in the author's words), and I doubt it would be considered a reliable source. I'm well aware there are plenty of resources for lists of emoticons on the internet, including the ones that were taken out as unreliably sourced, however the same issue is present with these unreliable lists. Your last paragraph is a good example of why this list was originally semi-protected and why it has been cleaned up: you are essentially advocating adding original research to the list. When you say we can "remove some of the unpopular or biased, and add other ones", ask yourself who gets to decide what is unpopular or biased and you will quickly understand why we use reliable sources to make those decisions. And as an added note, is for uncontroversial edits backed by consensus, not for announcing you are unsatisfied with the response. You have the attention of the editors of this list and talk page, please don't reopen the request when you respond. Thanks, — Bility (talk) 10:19, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

The damage to the content of the List of Emoticons has rendered it less useful. I do not appreciate some officious jerk pulling rank on a page that they don't even value. Perhaps that is the source of such a bad decision, and shouldn't be permitted to change it. They get their dirty mits all over it and just mess it up, with excuses no better than a nazi bureaucrat for what non-sensical act of butchery they made on a very valuable resource.

He should be kicked out of Wiki editors for being an overly officious prig. Extremely officious. And I am offended by their pettiness in trying to now justify such a poor decision. Egos.. You shouldn't let people edit a wiki when their hubris is this big. They will make any excuse to retain their "power". or save face from their own act of cretinous stupidity.

The changes to this page have really pissed me off, add me to the list of people who find the change entirely non-sensical, and go play in another sandbox and mess up another page. You're done here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.103.112.246 (talk) 23:49, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

+1 to the above. Get out crappy editors — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.98.138.144 (talk) 04:58, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

WHAT SAY WE TAKE THIS TO REDDIT? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.42.92.28 (talk) 17:38, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Suggested compromise
A lot of people (such as myself) came to Wikipedia for a comprehensive list of emoticons. Unfortunately, that's not what we found here, as any "unreliably sourced" entry was removed; at this time, that means a (large?) number of commonly-used items are missing.

On the other hand, I agree that the original list had become too unwieldy: there has to be some way to keep the list a manageable size (or at least, prevent it from growing every time someone wants to post their favorite variant). Previously, the obligation was on the remover to provide a reason for deletion; now, it's up to editors to provide a source — it seems to me that both those are extreme positions and that there should be room for both points of view.

As a compromise, what about having two pages: the current article (a list of emoticons that can be linked to a reliable source) and a companion article (list of emoticons included by popular demand, but without sources). This would allow Wikipedia to remain true to two important principles: reliability and comprehensiveness. It would also make it easier for people to know which emoticons to research, i.e. those that are arguably missing from the current list. 76.199.137.188 (talk) 23:14, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The obligation has always been on the editor who wishes to include information, see WP:BURDEN. The second, unsourced list couldn't be in article space, but it could go in someone's userspace I guess. By the way, I've never seen "comprehensiveness" as a Wikipedia principle. Verifiability however is one of the core content policies. — Bility (talk) 16:33, 27 January 2012 (UTC)


 * That's right. Afterall, the purpose of an encyclopedia is not to contain information that is accurate or comprehensible; but rather biased, often erroneous information referenced only from unrelated, third-party sources. Zargabaath (talk) 10:48, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Specific emoticon additions, changes and subtractions
I understand that reliable sources are a necessity to post information, but I've seen books written about internet culture by 50 year old men who don't know the different between e-mail and forums. I've seen books and lists of emoticons specifically siting emoticons with the incorrect term, or listing emoticons that I have never seen in my vast travels into the net. I seriously think the writers of this book just come up with their own and say it is being used commonly.

My proposition. Can we use this thread to make suggestions and changes based on our own expirience? Cause in this case, alot of us who were on the internet when it was in it's infancy and continue to use it today are a much more reliable source than we give credit. In a perfect world, we would have something like urban dictionary to see if people agree with what it means. Does urban dictionary list emoticons?

My first suggestion. (-_-) is not "Secret smile." This is supposed to mean a person closing their eyes and not smiling or frowning. I've seen this commonly used to represent: Tired, Frustrated, Sighing, Deep thought, Contemplation, meditation, exacerbated, annoyed etc. The last thing in the world this means is "secret smile." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottiekaz (talk • contribs) 00:43, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You can use this thread to suggest whatever you like; a reliable source is still required for any additions to the list though. I know the secret smile thing is stupid, but that's what's in the source. If you look at the first line of the verifiability policy ("verifiability, not truth"), you'll see that we are not attempting to create 100% correct material. — Bility (talk) 16:40, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

2=-) is a much better Elvis. Sorry I don't know of any source that confirms that. Why not source a picture of Elvis? You're kidding us if you're going to try to source things that are supposed to be pictures with text. Try sourcing pictures that recreate the emoticons. "Secret Smile" is just misleading to people reading this article. -MagGray — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.54.61.124 (talk) 19:14, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

New Ideas
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.../.._..._.\....

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 * .....__......|..

.\.../....\.../...

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.....|....|...... The Way of the Fist — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sensei239 (talk • contribs) 21:33, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This is perhaps the ugliest 'emoticon' I have ever seen.Pierricbross (talk) 22:50, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Please assume good faith at all times:'(. Androzaniamy (talk) 21:28, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 February 2012
"where is it?" Wrong translation

should be "Where am I?" "Who am I?"

Joshihiro (talk) 19:43, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done — Bility (talk) 02:50, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 February 2012
Please add the emoticon <:3D~ to the lists on this page; it is a mouse. Thank you.

88.108.125.81 (talk) 00:14, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: What emotion does mouse represent? Celestra (talk) 02:36, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

What emotion does squid ( <コ:彡 ) represent? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.253.126.203 (talk) 22:18, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I wish I knew the term for that kind of falacy. It is similar to other stuff exists, but on a smaller scale. Celestra (talk) 15:38, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not a fallacy, the IP is questioning the contradictory inclusion rules you've implied. — Bility (talk) 17:15, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * There is only a contradiction if you ascribe to the fallacy that the existence of items in the list which do not belong implies that other items which also do not belong can be added. I saw the "other stuff", but I read the title and the text and declined the request based on those. Thanks for asking. Celestra (talk) 21:30, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The contradiction exists whether you want to say "fallacy" in every post or not. What other conclusion would the IP draw from his request being denied as not an emoticon by someone who also doesn't remove the same type of examples from the list? — Bility (talk) 21:54, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no contradiction. The request was declined on its merits, without regard to whether other things which do not belong in the list exist there. Please take the rest of the discussion elsewhere; it doesn't belong on the talk page. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 01:17, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

"Western" and "Eastern" categories?
I can't believe I'm seeing something so generalised and stereotypical on wikipedia. Shouldn't we be using more accurate categorisation instead of just lumping everybody in the world into two vague, not really defined groups? Yazman (talk) 13:48, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Pretty much in agreement with the above. Why are the Japanese emoticons like .....φ(・∀・＊) grouped together with the shitty (oops! can't say that word on a christian website! lol) weeaboo gaia emoticons like ^_^... It's a damn horrible idea to put everything in a magical category container called "Eastern" like it's some kind of magical solution that works. You may as well say that United Statians are Yuropeans, and that Argentina is 100% white. Many of the 2ch emoticons are designed for pages using Shift_JIS encoding and default fullwidth fonts, they aren't even remotely related to the weeaboo gaia nonsense you'd find at your typical "SUGOI SUGOI ANIME CLUB BAKA NEKO :3 xD ^_^" or "KOREAN DRAMA FAN CLUB XDXDXD SOSHI CALL ME OPPA XD" website that is usually encoded in ISO-8859-1 or UTF-8, and defaults with a font like Arial or Comic Sans.. Japanese people don't use ^_^, gaia weeaboos hardly use 2ch emoticons. What the hell is going on here? --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 13:27, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

This is indeed BS, and Gaia isn't even "Eastern" in any way, shape, or form. It's a website created by a group of Californian comic book artists, of which two happen to be of Chinese descent. Anyway, I've been going back to like the November 2011 version of this page to get my emoticons since they screwed this up. (╬ ಠ益ಠ) Anonymous 12:20, 3 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.44.250.152 (talk)

Microsoft's J problem
http://lifehacker.com/5574668/get-rid-of-the-smiley-j-problem-in-microsoft-office-applications --Espoo (talk) 07:28, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting, I've never seen this before. — Bility (talk) 15:30, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Better way to separate them?
I wonder if there's a more readable way to present the emoticons. A space-delimited list of emoticons in fixed-width font can be a little difficult to read. It'd be easier to have within the first column each emoticon in its own cell in the table. Even alternating colors for emoticons within a row (red for first emoticon, blue for next, then back to red) would make it more readable (and would help most people, even if colorblind, and for those who are colorblind, it degrades into the current display anyway). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.36.155.197 (talk) 19:03, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I think this is a little too cumbersome, especially with alternating colors. Some entries have 14–18 emoticons, which is a lot of columns to keep track of and others have only one or two, which would look odd. Any other ideas? — Bility (talk) 15:30, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Why not Zoidberg?
(\/)(o,,,o)(\/)

I would've included this in the list (below Ronald Reagan) but I wanted to make sure someone agreed with me. Also, I don't have a reference for it. (And, really? References for emoticons?) Runfromfire (talk) 03:51, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, per verifiability we need a reference. I agree it looks kind of like a crab man, so I can see how a case could be made that it's Zoidberg. :) — Bility (talk) 15:30, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Where is Brohoof?
Wiki why do you forget the best one /) (\ Urban Dictionary Brohoof — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.119.232 (talk) 04:09, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Hideki Matsui and Snoopy
I've seen Hideki Matsui にしこり and Snoopy でつ written in hiragana. Please add these if there's a good source. --Shinkansen Fan (talk) 02:31, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

table flipper
(ﾉಥ益ಥ）ﾉ﻿ ┻━┻

┬──┬﻿ ¯\_(ツ)

┻━┻ ︵ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ︵﻿ ┻━┻

┻━┻ ︵﻿ ¯\(ツ)/¯ ︵ ┻━┻

┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)

(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.108.58.203 (talk) 21:32, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Flipping the table over; an expression of rage/frustration

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

and of course, "righting the table" after one has calmed down:

┯━┯ノ(º₋ºノ)

These (with variations) seem to be quite common; 140,000 hits on Google for "table flip ascii". See also Know Your Meme

108.49.158.121 (talk) 11:10, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Knowyourmeme is not a reliable source. — Bility (talk) 15:26, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * It's not about whether or not KnowYourMeme is a reliable source. This citation is only given because it is "required". There are other sources that provide the same definition, and if you really want "evidence", why not use screenshots of these emoticons being used? I could give you hundreds of compilations of usages on Facebook, Reddit, forums, Twitter, and many other sites, but who knows if that really counts as "reliable" sources (as if that matters for this topic and context and as if those reliable sources are even up-to-date or accurate, which they are not). For such a topic as this, I seriously think the standard WP:RES will need to have exceptions/updated guidelines/policies for these kinds of articles (involving internet content or neologisms/internet phenomena, etc.) - M0rphzone (talk) 07:59, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * And also (referencing to the previous section), why not allow Urban Dictionary as a reliable source? Do the user votes not represent a way to test for reliability and accuracy? It's user-generated, alright, but the difference in upvotes or downvotes should give enough "evidence" for the entry(ies). Do we really have to resort to a significance test for the differences? seriously... - M0rphzone (talk) 08:06, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Maybe before getting worried about whether a source is reliable we should be worrying about whether the sources listed actually contain the references we're claiming they do. Most of the "smiley variants" aren't mentioned in their sources at all, and some have a different meaning in the wiki article vs. the source. Some are obviously wrong -- "-_-" is listed as "secret smile" under the "western smileys" section, but it's an eastern smiley (related to "^_^") meant to denote a kind of exasperation/unamusedness, and the "reliable source" is an urban legend about Monica Lewinsky on appscout.pcmag.com. At least knowyourmeme is a real reference for the real meaning of the table-flip emote, and provides actual evidence for its usage. --173.180.104.68 (talk) 05:04, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Eastern emoticons section
14 out of 58 of the eastern emoticons are offer no English translation. 24% of your table is complete crap.

I imagine that "(ー_ー)!!　(-.-)　(-_-) ( 一一)　(；一_一)" all add up to "shame" -- I see sunken eyes. I see an repeating motif of the famous anime sweat-drop. Yet the meaning column offers me but one explanation "[11]" [11] does not equal shame.

That is not what an encyclopedia would offer.

If you offer a column named "meaning" you are obliged to provide it.

This page currents suggests that the following thought is sensible:

^m^   |    [11]

What?

Someone clearly cut-and-paste every entry from a another source. He or she was inadequate to the task of translation, so he or she left a bunch of garbage noise on your website.

This is supposedly the encyclopedia of the future. Why allow this garbage?

Believe in the future with me. Fix this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.212.116 (talk) 05:43, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The linked numbers are references to the sources for those emoticons. If you're able to give definitions of the emoticons, please do so and I'll add them to the table. No need for histrionics. — Bility (talk) 09:28, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Inaccurate or unreliable references
Unfortunately, many of the references provided for the emoticons are inaccurate or contain unused emoticons. Many are not correct, such as the "secret smile" definition for (-_-), which is a wrong definition. Others such as the "Jimmy Carter" or "Bill Clinton" emoticons are rarely (if ever) used at all and should not be included just because the source contains these emoticons. Other (possibly accurate) entries are being added, except they are not cited with reliable or decent sources. (Someone familiar with emoticons and their meanings and usage should write an article in a reliable site so that this article can be cleaned up and correctly and accurately cited, not with this half inaccurate, unused mess). - M0rphzone (talk) 05:50, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I've removed the supposed "Secret smile" emoticon. I don't see why there is a need to include this BS emoticon in the list especially since it's inaccurate. And if you want to check the search results for it, I got 5 results for "secret smile emoticon" and 22,000 results for "secret smile" "emoticon". The first result on the page with 22,000 results does not even mention a "secret smile" emoticon looking like (-_-), and the others below it don't either. It doesn't look like this emoticon is used at all. - M0rphzone (talk) 06:10, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * And Bility, I highly suggest that you refrain from pushing your POVs by speedy reverting any and every entry unsourced from the presently existing citations. I think other admins should look at these issues as well, since you're the main one responsible for removing entries, and providing a biased, single-user, one-sided opinion. And yes, of course WP:RES says to include reliable sources, so why don't you find some then? So you say the burden lies on the one who added the content according to WP:BURDEN to justify your actions as well? I see no reason not to attempt a search for sources and adding them (if you have not).


 * But since reliable sources are relatively hard to find for these entries, I suggest creating a editcopy of the current page and moving all new entries to that copy, then finding reliable citations for the entries. - M0rphzone (talk) 06:10, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Editcopy created. Please help verify/cleanup existing entries and add new ones (preferably with decent citations to provide a starting point for search). - M0rphzone (talk) 06:49, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Alright, so take a look at these Urban Dictionary entries for these emoticons: -.-, -_-, (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻, etc. The upvotes are clearly greater than downvotes, and if still picky and unconvinced, someone could check the differences to see if they are significant enough. - M0rphzone (talk) 08:15, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Update: I found a website with some lists of emoticons: and. This site seems to be reliable. - M0rphzone (talk) 08:15, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

HEY BLITTY READ THIS AND STOP BEING A NAZI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONSENSE#Use_common_sense

Note to editors
When you remove entries added without reliable sources, will you at least take the effort to move it to the /editcopy version, where they can be listed while others of us at least try to find references for them? Just removing them doesn't help make this article better; this article is becoming increasingly outdated and not comprehensive (in terms of topic coverage). - M0rphzone (talk) 22:49, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 April 2012
please add the emoticon: Dali Lama S8-)

72.235.145.98 (talk) 20:09, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Bility (talk) 20:22, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONSENSE#Use_common_sense — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.26.100 (talk) 01:08, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Adding the sup son ? / Shrug emote : ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ?
Does the emoticon ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ( Shrug / Sup son ? / Sometimes used to troll an opponent in online game ) deserve to be in the list ?

PS: It's my first time doing an edit request, so sorry if I do it wrong.
 * Not really, as it is not widely user (to my knowledge0. Find a source suggesting widespread use, and then it will. Mdann52 (talk) 10:42, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 July 2012
The page is missing the Hitler smiley. Offensive perhaps, but it does still exist ... There are many variations but at a minimum I suggest changing

to

Thanks.

Alan Larkin (talk) 13:10, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Mdann52 (talk) 10:43, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

TROLLFACE





 * I have often interpretted it as being unsatisfied with something, as in, having to give someone bad news. I suppose I use it to express frankness. Does anyone else concur? Ungeniusman (talk) 03:47, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Other interpretations?
I've always thought >.> and <.< were squinty pointed eyes, signifying suspicion... if not, it seems unfortunate that squinty suspicious eyes have no emoticon? -- Mecandes (talk) 21:49, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm under the impression that they signify that when posted one after the other a few times, as in (<.<) (>.>) (<.<) (>.>) -- Ungeniusman (talk) 03:56, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

2channel emoticons?
Where did they go? Why isn't there a discussion on the talk page about it, since clearly there is some disagreement? I would like to state that I think that they should be included, seeing as to how they have now extended far beyond 2channel, and are now used in many other venues, by many other people. So. -- Ungeniusman (talk) 03:55, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, having looked through the history bit, I have something to say, to all of you and also to Bility: Wouldn't citing a number of 2chan conversations be exactly the best source? Perhaps not... but because this /does/ exist, and it can be corroborated by so many of our users, I feel like this may be a case for Ignore All Rules with regard to Original Research. At the same time, a system to validate which emoticons are "canon" needs to be set up, and in the end the best thing may be for someone else to make their own website somewhere validating, archiving, and maybe even citing these. BUT ANYWAY. -- Ungeniusman (talk) 04:30, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Why not Zoidberg?
If there is a list of emoticons, why not Zoidberg.

(V)(V)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=%28V%29%28%3B%2C%2C%3B%29%28V%29

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/need-a-new-emoticon-why-not-zoidberg.jpg

THEgRAPEKING (talk) 04:47, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Can't use urbandictionary or an imagemacro as sources, but knowyourmeme has a good page on it, so added.
 * I recommend you create a new username. I enjoy dark humor, but not at all hours of the day (ie. don't force it on me, plskthnx). -- Quiddity (talk) 07:16, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

The Abraham Lincoln
!=] :/}Btkblevins (talk) 14:34, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

EVE Online
Is there an appropriate place to discuss some of the more unusual emoticons that have sprung up in certain places? EVE Online has developed its own unique form of emoticons. As far as I can tell, they're used nowhere else, but they are very widely used in the game. Almost universally in fact. They are mostly intended to depict a person's head and arms, without going into details of facial expression. They're similar to the eastern emoticons in that they're not rotated, but the designs are much simpler and more reminiscent of the western emoticons. They're an interesting hybrid I think. I've included a few examples in the table below. --Cecilkorik (talk) 06:16, 23 August 2012 (UTC)


 * As long as you can include a reliable source, you can be bold and pretty much add all sorts of information. The problem with this article is that people tend to make their own unreferenced additions, which is a verifiability problem. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 08:17, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

<3 smiley
What does <3 mean? I see it everywhere but it's not listed here. Sometimes <333 etc.

Also I think the :O) smiley should be included out of respect for the cute nose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phthalo123 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Not all rotation is clockwise! <3 = ♥ (It looks better/worse depending on the typeface used)
 * <333 is the usually intended as the equivalent of !!!!
 * (To quote Terry Pratchett: "Multiple exclamation marks [...] are a sure sign of a diseased mind.")
 * I'll try to find a WP:Reliable source for those. -- Quiddity (talk) 19:26, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, nothing 'reliable' is making itself visible to me, but this blog post gives some interesting variations (all of which I've seen inthewild) that may interest you and anyone else reading this thread.
 * However, it's already mentioned in heart (symbol) and emoticon, so I think I'll take that as a sign that it's "attributable" per WP:NOR's wording, and add it here. -- Quiddity (talk) 19:45, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

A couple of notes I've picked up over time
The >_> emoticon can also be used as a sign of mild disbelief or disgust. ._. by itself can be a sign of being stunned, or alternately, a blank stare. ono is another sign of sadness. No, I can't edit these in myself. :< Leafbarrett (talk) 10:32, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Googly Eyes
Another emoticon I've seen around lately is the googly eyes: 6_9 or 9_6.

It's usually used to express confusion and disorientation. Or a mild concussion. --71.64.26.168 (talk) 01:12, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you, the finger.
,,|,, ~G.S.Coletrane  2001:558:6040:4F:18CF:F281:FE63:2B57 (talk) 22:05, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 October 2012
Another variation of "Fish, something's fishy,[6] Christian fish [4]": <

Lewiskev (talk) 13:04, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 14:36, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 October 2012
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Lifted arms with hands turned sidewards 188.193.254.150 (talk) 09:30, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 20:52, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

blitty needs to read the wikipedia common sense article for editors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONSENSE

ILL REPEAT A FEW IMPORTANT PARTS FOR HIM

Wikipedia has many rules. Instead of following every rule, it is acceptable to use common sense as you go about editing. Being too wrapped up in rules can cause loss of perspective, so there are times when it is better to ignore a rule. Even if a contribution "violates" the precise wording of a rule, it might still be a good contribution. Similarly, just because something is not forbidden in a written document, or is even explicitly permitted, doesn't mean it's a good idea in the given situation. The principle of the rules is more important than the letter. Editors must use their best judgment.

Why isn't "use common sense" an official policy? It doesn't need to be; as a fundamental principle, it is above any policy.

stop being a nazi!

ONE OF THE FIVE PILLARS IS THIS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_%22Ignore_all_rules%22_means

Don't follow written instructions mindlessly, but rather, consider how the encyclopedia is improved or damaged by each edit (see also Use common sense, below).

The spirit of the rule trumps the letter of the rule. The common purpose of building a free encyclopedia trumps both. If this common purpose is better served by ignoring the letter of a particular rule, then that rule should be ignored (see also Wikipedia:The rules are principles).

(╬ ಠ益ಠ) DO NOT FORGET LEST YOU BE REMOVED (╬ ಠ益ಠ)

OH YEAH

HERES THE SOURCE IN CASE YOU NEED IT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.26.100 (talk) 01:10, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Western
In my opinion, the following smiley should be added to western emoticons:



in between other "drunk" smilies %-) and #-) having meaning of "mouth too full of beer or whisky".

Mikko.nummelin (talk) 22:05, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Eastern emoticons
Users from East Asia popularized a style of emoticons endemic to their region.

2channel emoticons
The Japanese language is usually encoded using double-byte character codes, which can be reproduced as ASCII art.