Talk:List of ethnic, regional, and folk dances by origin

Category?
Maybe this page should be turned into a category?? What do u think? --Mattbray 11:52, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Groupings of countries/regions to continents & ethnic grouping
Some higher order groupings to continents, etc may make this page more friendly. There would be some items repeated.
 * Oppose deletion and categorisation Paul foord 00:37, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I actually think we should revisit this now. The page has a lot of red links. It really should be Category: Folk Dance, and then delete this page.Comhreir (talk) 03:11, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Kotsari
Kotsari was deleted from the list of greek dances. While the dance is also found in Turkish, Kurdish and Armenian traditions. It is also done by the Pontic Greeks. I've reversed the edit and put it back in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrewCarnie (talk • contribs) 04:22, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

There has been an agreed name for the Republic of Macedonia as a part of Wikipedia's NPOV theme, in which case 'Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia' is now changed to 'Republic of Macedonia'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.87.56.76 (talk) 12:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Tsamiko
Please read those sources, and for sure TSAMiko is not GREEkiko, but TSAMiko...: et al, et al, also you have some else on Talk:Tsamiko. Thanks.Balkanian`s word (talk) 18:55, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=kE1rg0bxXdEC&pg=PA89&dq=tsamiko&lr=
 * http://books.google.com/books?lr=&id=YQSCAAAAMAAJ&dq=tsamiko+albanians&q=tsamiko+&pgis=1#search_anchor
 * I think there's a pretty profound misunderstanding here. The name of a dance does not necessarily indicate its origin. For example, we have the Romanian dance Sârba (i.e. Serbian), It's clearly a Romanian dance, done the way the Romanians think that Serbians dance. Similarly the Serbians have Rumunsko Kolo and Bulgarsko Kolo. The Croatians have Crnogorka (in the style of montenegrans). The Tsamikos is not an albanian dance, it's an epirotic dance done in the style of their northern neighbors. There is, of course, a very similar dance done by the Cham people. But the Tsamikos is a Greek dance, BASED on the Cham dance. Note that By this same criterion criterion you are using here, the Macedonian dance čamčeto isn't a macedonian dance, and the Beranče is Albanian (From Berat). No one disputes that Tsamikos is based on a Cham style of dancing. But it's a mistake to take the term "origin" in the title of this article too seriously. "Origin" is a term meaning where people do it. I'd be willing to debate the title of this article, but Tsamikos (notice the greek ending) is a *GREEK* dance, not a Tsam dance. (the Cham dance it's based on belongs in the Albanian section). (Oh, and by the way the Cham lived in Greece...). Note that I"m not a Greek so I have no nationalist interest in this.Comhreir (talk) 01:02, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * How about the following compromise. We list Tsamikos both under Albania and under Greece and the Greek entry reads as follows:


 * Tsamikos also known as Epirotiko, originally of Albanian Cham origin
 * Comhreir (talk) 01:31, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) Actually you are just confusing the name with its origin. Tsamikos is the "greek word" for the dance, which has been internationalize; there is another word, Çamçe, which is used in Albanian, but this states nothing. It may be internationalized by Greeks, or by the Greek name, but this does not mean that it did not originate from Chams, as per sources.Balkanian`s word (talk) 10:04, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Balkanian, please reread my message above. I think you have completely misunderstood what I said. What I said had nothing to do with names. What I said is that Tsamikos is a Greek dance, originated by Greeks, that is meant to imitate how the Cham dance. This is different from Chamche. See Fut.Perf.'s note below.
 * "The" dance? As I told you yesterday, I doubt there even is any one dance we are talking about. I tend to agree with Comhreir's explanation. "Tsamiko" seems to be not just the Greek name for an originally Albanian dance; as far as I can see, it is a dance different from all the similar dances danced by Albanians. I have yet to see an example of Chams actually dancing a Tsamiko. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:13, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * This is a typical song .Balkanian`s word (talk) 10:36, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but that in my view settles it. That's not a Tsamiko. The Greek Tsamiko is always 3/4; this one is 9/8 (= 3/4 + 3/8). Those are different dances that share only the provenance of the name and some aspects of the style of movement. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:41, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Also the dance done by the performers in that video is not a Tsamikos either. A Tsmaikos has 3 measures travelling to the left, followed by one measure in place, then one measure to the R and 1 in place. It is also marked by a distinct hesitation step on the traveling. Neither of these two defining characteristics of a Greek Tsamikos are present in this (truly lovely!) Valle Çamçe. Lovely dance, but not a Tsamikos.Comhreir (talk) 18:47, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

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Salsa
This is NOT an American dance, it’s Cuban. This is an insult to Cubans to have it under the USA. 70.29.74.214 (talk) 04:15, 1 September 2023 (UTC)