Talk:List of ethnic groups in Vietnam

Number of recognized groups
There are 54 government-recognized ethnic groups, but there are 55 in this list. Which one is extraneous? Badagnani 06:53, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

OK, it's the Shan. They're not on the official list of 54 under the name "Shan." Does anyone know if they're unrecognized, or listed under a different (Vietnamized) name? Badagnani 07:10, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Shan=Sán Chay. --Velázquez 16:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I just checked this out. The Shan speak a Northwest Tai language and the Sán Chay speak a Central Tai language. I had asked whether Shan lived in Vietnam, not some ethnic group that has a language in the same family, but not Shan. My question still stands: do Shan live in Vietnam? If so, we need sources. Badagnani 00:21, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

having one alphabetical list in addition to having a list by population
Really unnecessary to have an own list for alphabetical listing. Most people do know the alphabet...Tridungvo 00:12, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It provides the easiest way to identify the groups in alphabetical order. We provide this for the Thai and Burmese ethnic groups as well.  Badagnani 00:22, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

True, but it is unnecessary. People don't need the same information listed twice. That the Thais and Burmese don't do it is hardly an argument. I don't see the americans doing it Tridungvo 00:45, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe it is helpful to our readers to have the list presented in alphabetical order. Badagnani 00:46, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Why is that? I don't see the Chinese or the Canadians doing it. It is bad to use so much space to list the same information twice. It doesn't give any valuable extra information. Please consider reverting (i don't know how to do it yet. maybe u can explain to me. promise that i won't revert until the discussion is ended however) Tridungvo 00:51, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I think there should be just one list. not two. having one for alphabetical listing, and one for the population number is really not necessary. Tridungvo 00:55, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


 * There are three: by alphabetical, ethnic group, and population.  I myself use all three in my research; not having the others creates quite a bit of difficulties.  Regarding space restrictions, Wikipedia is not paper.  Badagnani 00:57, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

To use them in research is one thing, as you need to categorize and analyze in depth. however, to present in an article is another thing. imagine you are reading this article and have to go through everything twice. really bothersome. the simple is often the best. i don't really see the average wikipedi-user having a need for seeing a population group given alphabetically. i really think we should follow the canadian or chinese model to make it more user friendly. and please, explain how u revert. Tridungvo 01:08, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


 * You have a good point, but many people around the world use these lists for research. If, for example, looking for a particular group it can be hard to find if there's no alphabetical list (particularly in the Myanmar list, which contains many more ethnic groups than the Vietnam one).  To revert, you go to the page you want to revert, go to the top and you'll see a tab labeled "History."  Click that and you'll see all previous versions of the article.  Click the previous version you want to revert to then click "Edit."  It will ask you something like "Are you sure you want to revert to an earlier version"?, then click "Save page."  Badagnani 01:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Meo Ten
does anyone know about those the French refer as "Méo Ten" (Black Meo) or the Méos? Paris By Night 08:21, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * they are the Mèo people (Miao people in chinese) Paris By Night 08:39, 24 May 2007 (UTC) In Vietnam they are the H'Mông Đen or Black Hmong in English.AldenAnderson (talk) 21:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Caucasian
I would think a country with over 87 million people would have some caucasians. Are there any estimates on how many? Ffda (talk) 17:44, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * There are about 80000 foreigners currently residing in Vietnam. About half of that are Koreans and another 25% or so are Taiwanese, Japanese, etc.  So my guess is about 20000. 19:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

The Cham people?
It takes someting for both the Brahmanist Cham in Central Vietnam and the Muslim Cham Bani of the Mekong delta. Takima (talk) 23:21, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Racism
http://books.google.com/books?id=Zr58XN0uEEQC&pg=PA160&dq=moi+vietnamese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dw1YU_2mOIKMyAT3-IDYDw&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=moi%20vietnamese&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=ZcLQcquYkcIC&pg=PA145&dq=moi+savages+vietnamese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MxRYU8TjBsmcyATZpIDQBg&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=moi%20savages%20vietnamese&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=uPH86IxSwjsC&pg=PA62&dq=moi+savages+vietnamese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MxRYU8TjBsmcyATZpIDQBg&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=moi%20savages%20vietnamese&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=qh5lffww-KsC&pg=PA182&dq=moi+savages+vietnamese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MxRYU8TjBsmcyATZpIDQBg&ved=0CDwQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=moi%20savages%20vietnamese&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=2_zKFyHlBk0C&pg=PA28&dq=moi+savages+vietnamese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MxRYU8TjBsmcyATZpIDQBg&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=moi%20savages%20vietnamese&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=9WLfsdeJgHsC&pg=PA102&dq=moi+savages+vietnamese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MxRYU8TjBsmcyATZpIDQBg&ved=0CEIQ6wEwAw#v=onepage&q=moi%20savages%20vietnamese&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=moDNlFBglpoC&pg=PA7&dq=moi+savages+vietnamese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MxRYU8TjBsmcyATZpIDQBg&ved=0CEkQ6wEwBA#v=onepage&q=moi%20savages%20vietnamese&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=zQxWAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA227&dq=moi+savages+vietnamese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MxRYU8TjBsmcyATZpIDQBg&ved=0CFQQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=moi%20savages%20vietnamese&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=h8cRgWpCXUoC&pg=PA102&dq=moi+savages+vietnamese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MxRYU8TjBsmcyATZpIDQBg&ved=0CE4Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=moi%20savages%20vietnamese&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=fOQkpcVcd9AC&pg=PT269&dq=moi+savages+vietnamese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MxRYU8TjBsmcyATZpIDQBg&ved=0CGYQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=moi%20savages%20vietnamese&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=KclCL2yZVRAC&pg=PA1504&dq=moi+savages+vietnamese&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MxRYU8TjBsmcyATZpIDQBg&ved=0CGAQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=moi%20savages%20vietnamese&f=false

Pamela McElwee

“‘Blood Relatives’ or Unfriendly Neighbors? Vietnamese – Ethnic Minority Interactions in the Annamite Mountains,” Journal of Vietnamese Studies, 2008, 3(3): 81-116. Part of special issue on “Ethnic Minorities in Vietnam”, Philip Taylor, guest editor.

http://www.academia.edu/192968/Blood_Relatives_or_Unfriendly_Neighbors_Vietnamese_-_Ethnic_Minority_Interactions_in_the_Annamite_Mountains

http://www.academia.edu/296296/Becoming_Socialist_or_Becoming_Kinh_Government_Policies_for_Ethnic_Minorities_In_the_Socialist_Republic_of_Vietnam

http://rutgers.academia.edu/Departments/Human_Ecology/Documents

http://www.pamelamcelwee.com/recent-publications/

Rajmaan (talk) 19:32, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

https://books.google.com/books?id=GIcPFZ-w89YC&pg=PA52#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://www.swordsantiqueweapons.com/s497_full.html

Michaud, Jean. 2013. “French Military Ethnography in Colonial Upper Tonkin (northern Vietnam), 1897–1904”. Journal of Vietnamese Studies 8 (4). University of California Press: 1–46. doi:10.1525/vs.2014.8.4.1.

http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1525/vs.2014.8.4.1?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

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