Talk:List of famous basses

Who the heck placed Chali 2na in the list?! He isn't a singer. Rappers are not really singing, they are only speaking with a rythim and their voice is completely independent from the music (melodically). This man is not really a singer and just because he has a deep voice and performs "music" does not mean he should be placed on the list next to men who are genuine basses. Where are the citations to support the statement of this man bass-profundo range? Do you even know what a basso-profundo is? The fact that this man's voice is deep and maybe in the bass range is completely irrelevant. There are many men that have bass speaking voices but are not singers and couln't sing if their lives depended on it. A bass singer is so much more than that, to be a bass singer you actually have to sing and have to hit as a minimum, the E below the Bass cleff, and you have to do this singing (the majority of true basses hit notes much lower than that!). I don't doubt this man has a low speaking voice, but just because he is involved in the performing industry and has a low speaking doesn't mean he is an actual bass! Besides I think the bass list is getting out of control and should be restricted to only a few true basses. You want to hear an actual basso-profundo or bass? Download Bulgarian opera singer Boris Christoff, who has been named the best bass singer that has ever lived! Kiske 00:32, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Same thing with Harry Shearer! Not because he has a low speaking voice does it mean he is a bass! To be a bass you have to be a real singer!...not a rapper, not a voice artist, not a broadcater...a SINGER! No more low speaking people will be accepted in this list if they don't actually sing! This list is referring to famous singing basses! People actually have to be singers to be added to it! Just stop!Kiske 00:37, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Harry Shearer does sing bass, with impressive range, in 'A Mighty Wind'. He pulls off some good folk harmonies and has a resonant bass voice. He has also sang several times on the Simpsons, in various character voices. Though he is best known as an actor, he has a fine bass singing voice that shouldn't be discounted.

Conversely, Louis Armstrong was not a bass. He did have a unique gravelly and throaty sound, but to my knowledge never sang in a bass range. If anything he was a baritone, probably, but not even a low one. - Timmerbo, October 25, 2006

I had to specify singing basss in the article to prevent anyone from placing rappers or broadcasters on the page! I also added Johnny Cash, who is a true bass!Kiske 00:39, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Famous pop singers and their range
Someone deleted the whole section of pop singers citing WP:OR policy so I decided to restore it for further research on my user page: Doxent 16:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

According to the NOR rule:

"An edit counts as original research if it does any of the following:


 * It introduces a theory or method of solution;
 * It introduces original ideas;
 * It defines new terms;
 * It provides or presumes new definitions of pre-existing terms;
 * It introduces an argument, without citing a reputable source for that argument, that purports to refute or support another idea, theory, argument, or position;
 * It introduces an analysis or synthesis of established facts, ideas, opinions, or arguments in a way that builds a particular case favored by the editor, without attributing that analysis or synthesis to a reputable source;
 * It introduces or uses neologisms, without attributing the neologism to a reputable source."

Discerning one's vocal range doesn't meet any of these criteria. To a proper musician this is a matter of simple observation. Since the guideline "does not prohibit editors with specialist knowledge from adding their knowledge to Wikipedia," to claim "original research" is out of line.

CleffedUp 09:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)