Talk:List of fictional pansexual characters/Archive 1

Suggestion
@User:PanagiotisZois, thanks for your work on this page. I hope the characters I listed above helped a bit. I was thinking that maybe we could eliminate the ref section and move the refs into the note section (while adding appropriate description of course)? I'm glad there are refs for everything, as compared to pages like List of LGBT characters in television and radio, which I'm still trying to wade through with all sorts of unsourced stuff. I'm currently updating the List of LGBT characters in modern written fiction page, and there are some pan characters on there, which I'll add in once I've fixed the sourcing on there. Also, I didn't know that Lando is pan. Cool. I'll have to rewatch Empire Strikes Back and Solo now, lol. --Historyday01 (talk) 16:01, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The characters you provided definitely help. Thank you for that; I still have some left to include. Now, the ref section, I would say, is a point of contention. I was thinking that maybe we could have a discussion on the subject somewhere (I'll have to look that up later). Part of me wishes to include the ref section so that we have reliable sources describing X character as pansexual. The problem with pansexuality is that it's a relatively "new" sexuality and often gets mixed up with bisexuality.


 * To give you an example of what I mean: Annalise from How to Get Away With Murder is pansexual. The series has shown her in relationships with both men and women. Let's say that we include that in her "Notes" section; stating that "Annalise has an ex-husband and an ex-girlfriend", or something along the lines of that. Who's to say the character is pansexual? Why can't she be just bisexual? And even if we include reliable sources describing her prior relationships in the "Notes" section, said source may never actually bring up her specific sexual orientation. Which we know with certainty as the writers' themselves confirmed it. I don't know, maybe I'm seeing problems where there aren't any. I definitely see that it can be kind of redundant to have the same source under both "Notes" and "Refs" (such as Sakura), but I still think it's necessary. PanagiotisZois (talk) 17:20, 26 June 2020 (UTC)


 * That makes sense. I personally like it all in one category, without a ref section, but then again, I haven't had many pansexual characters I've come across in my work on various pages. Ah yes, Annalise. I actually had some links I found about that (by accident), some of which could be included

Annalise, a pansexual attorney, stands by her trans colleague, Jill, and kills her husband shortly before their wedding anniversary party, claiming self-defense from his abuse.


 * That was the text I did have on that page, and I found a lot there. Maybe have a section titled something like "background"? We don't have to, but its just a thought. Eventually, when the television section is built out enough, I can copy over all the stuff, apart from the animations, to the List of LGBT characters in television and radio page, where I already created an asexual section. Speaking of animations, maybe the television section could be subdivided into a "live-action television" and "animation and anime" sections? I did that on the List of fictional trans characters and List of fictional asexual characters pages, for example. Historyday01 (talk) 17:45, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

I feel like Dean Pelton from Community should be included in the list; he is after all, described as a "pansexual imp" in the show. --24.151.42.197 (talk) 19:44, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

If you have a source for him being pansexual, feel free to add him. Historyday01 (talk) 23:35, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

"List of Asexual, Non-binary, and Pansexual characters in television and radio" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect List of Asexual, Non-binary, and Pansexual characters in television and radio. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 3 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Twotwicetalk 16:45, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Removal of content from List of fictional pansexual characters page
Again @User:Praxidicae, before your removal, this should have been discussed first, at least. That would have been the civil thing to do. I am, like the other pages, putting the removed content here. I would argue that all these deserve to be on this page, especially Snug Orbit and Unknown Lands (as they have secondary sources), and I'll work to create pages for all these webcomics, if at all possible. --Historyday01 (talk) 19:17, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Graphic art and webcomics

Possible entries
What do people think about these entries? Should they be included? Most I'd say no, but some of them I'd say possibly. In any case, I'd like your thoughts, peoples. These come from the List of animated series with LGBT characters: 2000–2004, List of animated series with LGBT characters: 2005–2009, List of animated series with LGBT characters: 2010–2014, List of animated series with LGBT characters: 2015–2019 and List of animated series with LGBT characters: 2020–present pages, for reference. --Historyday01 (talk) 03:01, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Rick Sanchez
in this edit, I think you actually do not understand what I'm saying. The Guardian is quoting a Comic-Con panel where the writers are giving joking responses in response to an audience question about upcoming revelations from the unaired season: "What, asked Quinn, could devout nerds use against their friends and loved ones when they got home?" Ridley, Roiland and Harmon make escalating jokes that Rick is "gay", "pansexual" and "anti-vaccination, big time", none of which manifested themselves in the next season (and Ridley's directly contradicts Roiland's). I don't know if you're actually familiar with Rick and Morty, but the situation is that Rick is not openly anything other than heterosexual, but because of his relationships with non-gendered beings (a planet and a hivemind, both of which are coded female) and a reasonable interpretation that in the latest episode he has a same-gender love, fan speculation labels him as anything from closeted gay to pansexual. Future episodes may give him a canonical sexuality but the current status is that Rick is quite clearly not self-identifying as pansexual and no writer has seriously characterized him as such. — Bilorv ( talk ) 10:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Bilorv, I haven't watched much of Rick and Morty (only a couple of episodes) and its not as much my cup of tea. One day I may change my mind, but for now I am swamped with trying to finish an array of animated series. In any case, I'd be willing to remove Rick Sanchez, but we keep it open if future seasons give him a canonical sexuality, and if it is shown, and noted, that he is pan, then we can re-add him. Pages like this list are relatively fluid, so entries can come and go as needed. Nothing on this list is set in stone. I do hope there are more pan characters in the future, and if you wouldn't mind leaving a comment on the "Possible entries" section above this one, I'd appreciate that. --Historyday01 (talk) 13:50, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I also hope there are more pansexual characters in future, but we mustn't exaggerate or resort to using fan speculation. Rick and Morty has many flaws, so I wouldn't even necessarily recommend it, but it does have some clever writing. I've added an entry above. — Bilorv ( talk ) 15:40, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, I totally agree we shouldn't exaggerate or resort to using fan speculation. It makes sense to add Rick Sanchez to that list of possible entries. Historyday01 (talk) 16:15, 18 August 2021 (UTC)