Talk:List of fiddlers

Rename
Shouldn't this be called "List of Fiddlers"?
 * Done. Just plain Bill 15:25, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

split to multiple articles
if no one objects, I'll split this into "Fiddlers (by region)" and "Fiddlers (alphabetical)" lists and update the template. new additions will have to be added to two artices, but template links seem a more appropriate place to chose which list you want
 * After we all fall off the same cliff, will there be a way, right there where they will see it, to alert future stewards of the 'pedia to this need for double entry? This is the sound of me not objecting... Just plain Bill 02:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I've asked the bot writers if they can help us out - I'll hold off on the split for a week or two to see if anyone takes an interest -- Eitch 17:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Notable recorded fiddlers from Fiddle article

 * This section is comprised of content yanked directly from the Fiddle article, which has no business being a mirror of this article. Those truly relevant should be incorporated into this article.  My personal preference would be to only include those notable enough to have a Wikipedia article – no red links – rather than everyone who ever rosined a bow.  If a redlink deserves it, create the article.  --Kbh3rd talk  20:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)''

For a more comprehensive list of fiddlers, see List of fiddlers; for a list of All-Ireland Fiddle Champions, see Fiddle champions.

 Fiddlers from Fiddle article - sections already entered


 * Fred Carpenter
 * Stuart Duncan ✔
 * Betse Ellis
 * Johnny Gimble✔
 * Red Herron
 * Bobby Hicks✔
 * Buddy Spicher✔
 * Paul Warren (no references to notability in article)
 * Chubby Wise✔
 * Winston "Scotty" Fitzgerald✔

Alternative

 * Jonathan Segel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hernan43 (talk • contribs) 12:20, 15 December 2010 (UTC)  (no mention of "fiddling" on this violinist's article &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 17:07, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Appalachian/Piedmont

 * Vernon Derrick✔ (Jimmy Martin's fiddler) THIS ARTICLE HAS NO REFERENCES.
 * Rayna Gellert✔
 * Bruce Greene ✔(collector of Kentucky tunes and styles)
 * Ed Haley✔
 * Tommy Jarrell✔
 * Clark Kessinger✔
 * Brad Leftwich✔
 * Bruce Molsky✔
 * Uncle Charlie Osborne✔
 * Bridget Regan ✔from Flogging Molly
 * Doc Roberts✔
 * John Salyer THIS PAGE DOES NOT DESCRIBE A FIDDLER

Bold text====Bluegrass====


 * Darol Anger✔
 * Kenny Baker ✔(Bill Monroe's fiddler)
 * Byron Berline✔
 * Dewey Brown
 * Sam Bush✔
 * Vassar Clements✔
 * Clinton Gregory (also country)✔
 * John Hartford✔
 * Aubrey Haynie✔
 * Bobby Hicks✔
 * Alison Krauss (also country)✔
 * Martie Maguire (also country)✔
 * Benny Martin✔
 * Mark O'Connor (also jazz, Texas)✔
 * Ricky Skaggs (also country)✔
 * Jim Van Cleve✔
 * Sara Watkins✔

Blues

 * Eddie Anthony (also jazz) PAGE DOESN't SAY FIDDLER
 * Andrew Baxter✔
 * Lonnie Chatmon of the Mississippi Sheiks (also old-time) DOESN't HAVE ARTICLE YET

Cajun

 * Dewey Balfa✔
 * Al Berard
 * Harry Choates✔
 * Sady Courville
 * Michael Doucet of Beausoleil✔
 * Wade Fruge
 * Doug Kershaw (also country)✔
 * Dennis McGee✔
 * Louis Michot of The Lost Bayou Ramblers
 * Joel Savoy✔
 * Kevin Wimmer of The Red Stick Ramblers THIS LINK LEADS TO A FOOTBALL PLAYER

Contra dance (including New England)

 * Sam Amidon
 * Sarah Blair
 * Ruthie Dornfeld
 * David Kaynor
 * Dudley Laufman
 * Randy Miller
 * Rodney Miller
 * Lissa Schneckenburger
 * Sue Sternberg
 * Harvey Tolman
 * Becky Tracy

Country

 * Fiddlin' John Carson✔
 * Charlie Daniels✔
 * Doug Kershaw✔
 * Alison Krauss✔
 * Martie Maguire✔
 * Ricky Skaggs✔
 * Gid Tanner✔
 * Bob Wills✔

Jazz

 * Svend Asmussen
 * Stephane Grappelli
 * Mark O'Connor (also bluegrass, Texas)✔

Southeastern

 * Clayton McMichen

Texas

 * Chris Daring✔
 * Larry Franklin
 * Johnny Gimble✔
 * Mark O'Connor (also bluegrass, jazz)✔
 * Buddy Spicher✔
 * Benny Thomasson✔

Canadian

 * Tania Elizabeth
 * Mitchell Grobb
 * Don Messer✔
 * April Verch

Cape Breton

 * Joseph Cormier✔
 * Ashley MacIsaac✔
 * Buddy MacMaster✔
 * Natalie MacMaster✔
 * Winston "Scotty" Fitzgerald✔

Quebec

 * Jean Carignan✔
 * Olivier Demers
 * Omer Dumas
 * Pascal Gemme
 * Joseph-Ovila La Madeleine

English

 * Stephen Baldwin
 * Phil Beer
 * Jon Boden
 * Eliza Carthy
 * Pete Cooper
 * Barry Dransfield
 * Lisa Knapp
 * Seth Lakeman
 * Ric Sanders
 * Jonathan Sevink
 * Dave Swarbrick✔
 * Kathryn Tickell
 * William "Jinky" Wells
 * Chris Wood

Clare

 * Paddy Canny
 * Bobby Casey
 * Junior Crehan
 * Mrs. Ellen Galvin
 * Martin Hayes
 * P.J. Hayes
 * John Kelly
 * Patrick Kelly✔
 * Martin Rochford
 * Joe Ryan

Donegal

 * Neillidh Ó Baoighill
 * James Byrne
 * Vincent Campbell
 * John Doherty
 * Danny O'Donnell
 * Mairéad Ní Mhaonaigh✔
 * Proinnsias Ó Mhaonaigh
 * Tommy Peoples✔
 * Paul O'Shaughnessy

Sliabh Luachra

 * Julia Clifford✔
 * Paddy Cronin
 * Denis Murphy (Irish musician)✔
 * Padraig O'Keeffe✔

Sligo

 * Kevin Burke✔
 * John Carty✔
 * Michael Coleman
 * Kathleen Collins
 * Paddy Killoran✔

Mexican

 * Juan Reynoso

Scottish

 * Aly Bain (Shetland)
 * Duncan Chisholm
 * Melinda Crawford
 * Johnny Cunningham
 * Andrew Dodds
 * Colyn Fischer
 * Alasdair Fraser
 * Dougie MacLean
 * Aidan O'Rourke
 * Bonnie Rideout✔
 * Eilidh Shaw — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monxton (talk • contribs) 22:32, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

convert to categories? and, which categories?
Now and then over the past months I've made a couple categorizing edits that I then go nowhere with. Here's my proposal — if we can agree on something, we can all start doing the edits:

1. I think the content of this article could all be better done in categories, except for the redlinks. So I think we should make sure every one of the bluelinks is categorized, remove them from the list, and retitle the article "Fiddlers who need articles."

2. Then we need a system of categorization. There's already
 * Fiddlers
 * Fiddlers by genre
 * Genres
 * Fiddlers by nationality
 * Nationalities

where each fiddler is put in a nationality and a genre category. That's good, but I think it could be nice to expand this to


 * Fiddlers
 * Fiddlers by genre
 * Genres
 * Nationalities
 * Fiddlers by nationality
 * Nationalities
 * Genres

with each fiddler put in a nationality and a genre category, and a genre-within-nationality and a nationality-within-genre subcategory (so you click on "bluegrass" and see an alphabetical list of all the bluegrass fiddlers and a list of country subcategories). That would be useful if you wanted to compare the sound of a certain genre across countries — so you could easily get the names of, say, Scottish fiddlers from Scotland and Scottish fiddlers from the U.S. Now, I myself have been known to take an article out of a parent category if it's already in a child category —it runs against the "folders" metaphor, and seems redundant— but I think that in this case it would really add information.

Thoughts? — eitch 23:33, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Note that some of these are being discussed on WP:CFD. Having a list is not a reason to create a small number of categories and a large tree that serves no apparent navigation need.  Also the lack of comments here is not an indication of support. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Please do put in a word at the discussion Vegas mentions [ Edit: That discussion hasn't been touched for months, and it's really a place for current deletion proposals. This article talk page is the place to have this discussion, for now. ] (here's a link). Basically, I started categorizing fiddlers because this list has a bunch of problems (see the linked discussion for more on that). Now every fiddler in the list ( as of the June 3 2008 version [ Edit: Brought up to date for the July 13 2008 version Sept 25 08. ] ) has been categorized! I didn't go as deep-structured as I suggested above - it's mostly
 * Fiddlers
 * Fiddlers by genre
 * (genres)
 * Fiddlers by nationality
 * (nationalities)
 * In the course of that, I double checked every fiddler in this list against their article…
 * Many were mis-filed (they'd be listed here as bluegrass, but the article would explain that they rock) - in all cases of that, the article was convincing, and I followed the article.
 * I didn't make a "jazz fiddlers" category, since there's already a "jazz violinist" category which (I checked) includes everyone in the "jazz" section here.
 * Likewise, I put "rock fiddlers" in the already established Category:Rock violinists.
 * I put articles in the folk fiddlers list in more informative categorizations (as of this writing, there still are some fiddlers categorized only as "folk").
 * Some were bad links - I collected those, and they (along with a very few fiddlers I don't know how to categorize) are listed on my list of fiddler redlinks. My thought is that we can list all the various redlinked articles which have come and gone from this list there.
 * Exceptions to the structure:
 * Following Old-time music, the old-time fiddlers category has subcategories for Appalachian style, non-Appalachian south, Texas, and Western swing. As the number of fiddler articles grows, we can add a Midwest subcategory.
 * Following Category:Music of Canadian subdivisions, the Canadian fiddlers category is divided into Cape Breton, Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and Quebec.
 * You can browse the categories from the parent Category:Fiddlers. I think it's time to retire this list. What do you think? — eitch 23:26, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Update: I've added all the redlinks that were in the list on the Fiddle article (the list was moved here - see above) to the List of fiddler redlinks. — eitch 02:45, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * edited: — eitch 17:35, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It is community consensus that lists and categories should co-exist. Editors should not favour one and try to delete the other, this is considered disruptive. See WP:CLN. -- neon white talk 14:10, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Not every topic has both a category and a list. Encouraging discussion shouldn't be considered disruptive. This list is full of misinformation --many fiddlers listed here are misfiled; some genres are misnamed (e.g. "Argentinian," "Old-timey")-- and as a list is dysfunctional --the American subgenres are not alphabetical; genres and subgenres overlap in unsystematic ways (e.g. hot club independent of jazz; English independent of UK; folk, folk-rock, and traditional/rock). Certainly there's nothing wrong with having both a list and categories... But if we want to both reflect the information in the linked articles (as the categories do) and keep this list, a major overhaul is in order. — eitch 19:05, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I tried browsing the categories and I couldn't see the information on one page; it was inconvenient. I think the list should be kept.  However, the page is a bit confusing the way it is laid out with locations mixed in with styles.  What about a sortable table?  The reader could then arrange the info to suit him or herself.  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 09:39, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Persistent addition of red link
SherryLN (talk) has been adding Sierra Noble to this page. Quite possibly this fiddler is notable enough to merit a Wikipedia article, but it doesn't exist yet. I have asked the user to consider creating such a page before adding the link again, without response. It is possible that the user feels bitten and does not care to talk about it. I do not think this needs admin intervention just yet. Perhaps someone else would care to drop a friendly word on the user's talk page? Could use a little help here. __ Just plain Bill (talk) 22:08, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Never mind; the link is now blue. Thanks, to the one who brought the article into the main space. __ Just plain Bill (talk) 14:10, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Sortable table
I have made a sortable table of fiddlers for the top of the page. Users can sort by name, nationality or main fiddling style. This eliminates the need to make a section "Fiddlers by nationality"

The section "Fiddlers by style" needs fixing up. Some of the American categories are dubious, but I don't know enough about this to make the changes. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 05:03, 22 February 2013 (UTC)