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Norm of the North
The entry does not meet the inclusion criteria for this article, explained in the infobox at the top of this talk page. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 00:28, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree.LM2000 (talk) 07:37, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Well that's unfortunate. I'll add it to the list of films that've been removed from the article then. – Matthew  - (talk) 16:51, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
 * It was already there. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 17:33, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Not right before I added it. – Matthew  - (talk) 21:10, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Films that haven't been added
I've compiled a list of films that received extremely negative reviews, but managed to avoid getting on this list.


 * Free Birds
 * Eight Crazy Nights
 * The Nut Job
 * Captain America (1990 film)
 * Saving Christmas
 * Norm of the North
 * Fat Slags (film)
 * Saving Christmas
 * Laserblast
 * Scary Movie 5
 * Date Movie
 * Epic Movie
 * Keith Lemon: The Film
 * Star Crash — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.187.101.176 (talk) 07:28, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Fred: The Movie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.147.160.30 (talk) 12:51, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Fred 2: Night of the Living Fred
 * Fred 3: Camp Fred — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:4A:600:23E0:CC4A:4A94:7B27:BDE1 (talk) 02:42, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * After Earth
 * Birdemic 2: The Resurrection
 * Foodfight!
 * Inappropriate Comedy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.80.199.81 (talk) 04:43, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Bio-Dome
 * The Cat in the Hat (film)
 * The Little Panda Fighter
 * Nine Lives (2016 film) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.87.197 (talk) 13:31, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hari Puttar: A Comedy of Terrors — Preceding unsigned comment added by SamTheBlurayStar (talk • contribs) 23:16, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Please consider adding these! — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheJoebro64

Additionally I would consider Cool World — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.255.40.36 (talk) 15:30, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

The Little Panda Fighter, as well as every other Video Brinquedo "film" should be on here as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.198.94 (talk) 03:49, 25 December 2016 (UTC)


 * My take on all of this is that being negatively received isn't enough. It has to be the baddest of the bad. This list represents a series of stock responses people have when asked for their most hated film. They are bad, not merely so bad they were panned via reviews. They have to fail not just on account of their subpar acting, hideous set design, horrid script, bad directing, etc. For many of them, for example, they have to deviate from whatever they started out as. Sometimes this is in the form of an adaptation, e.g. Fat Slags should totally be on here but not because it's terrible - one can make attempts at grossout humor or acting that utterly fail - but because it strayed so far from its source material (to wit: Apparently only  is based on the behavior of the comic's protagonists in any way). Others do not need to stem from source material and can be completely their own - Gigli springs to mind as a movie that started out as one thing but became another because of tabloid influence. These films must be notable, in part, for the negativity they generate; merely being negatively received but still notable by other standards is not enough. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist  (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 05:51, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * And my gut tells me we should give the Birdemic sequel a miss here because it seems to have more or less been made deliberately badly, to capitalize on the infamy of its predecessor, which was genuinely unintentional. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist  (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 05:52, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Well, Saving Christmas has been deemed one of the worst films of all time by several standards, including reviewers and holding the number-one spot on the IMDB Bottom 100 for a time. KirkCliff2 (talk) 15:17, 25 April 2017 (UTC) KirkCliff2 (talk) 15:17, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * A lot of these, including Saving Christmas, appear on Talk:List of films considered the worst/Removed films.LM2000 (talk) 07:38, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Films that don't qualify
Does anybody object to removing Frozen Assets and Intensive Care? Intensive Care is called the worst Dutch film, Frozen Assets is called worst of the 90s and worst comedy, but either is called the worst of all time.LM2000 (talk) 08:28, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Fantastic Four
This movie has a 9% on Rotten Tomatoes, based on 216 reviews. Rolling Stone, Yahoo! Movies, Toronto Sun and Indiewire listed it as one of the worst films of 2015, and it won the Golden Raspberry Awards for Worst Picture, Worst Prequel, Remake, Rip-off or Sequel, and Worst Director. Could it be added to this list? ~ TheJoebro64 (talk) 12:06, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * If you can directly quote a source as saying that it's one of the worst films ever, yes. Otherwise, no. All of the above is your interpretation of the data. (Note: worst film ever is not the same thing as worst film of 2015.) DonQuixote (talk) 13:14, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Entries must be considered by multiple reliable sources as the worst film ever made. Worst of their genre or worst of the year doesn't cut it.LM2000 (talk) 18:55, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I've removed it again. None of the sources cited called the move the worst film ever made. Worst of it's genre or worst of the year, yes, but not worst ever. Cjhard (talk) 22:12, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I added this to the list of films removed from this list since it has been removed at least twice in the past month. This is the third Fantastic Four film to make in into that list.LM2000 (talk) 10:32, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Page Criteria (was Deletion?)
I realize there have been eight (!) AFDs on this page, but I don't see how it possibly meets current article standards. All of these films have pages on their own, and there's no consistency as to why these films are considered "the worst" and not just an ordinary level of bad.

As a "List" page, it should only contain links to these movies, and not a full 2-paragraph description of each.

Power~enwiki (talk) 07:08, 20 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Just to be clear, I don't plan to nominate this for AfD at this time unless two people support it in this thread. Power~enwiki (talk) 18:00, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think deleting the page would be a good idea, but I do think the criteria needs to be changed a bit. I mean, the equivalent list for video games is much more inclusive due to recent criteria changes. ~ TheJoebro64 (talk) 14:19, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't recommend it for AFD. I mean, check that last one. It closed as a unanimous "keep" with over 15 !votes. That's how things have panned out with the equivalent lists for video games and music. It'd be more constructive to work on cleaning them up creating inclusion criteria and actively enforcing them. Sergecross73   msg me  20:47, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I can come up with a new criteria, if anyone wants me to. I mean, I think the criteria here is flawed: it only has three bullets (and really only lists two points), and look at the lists for music and video games; they're much more inclusive. ~ TheJoebro64 (talk) 22:33, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

If there are new criteria, I may recommend a page rename to List of films notable for negative reception; that page currently redirects here. There's nothing that needs immediate attention here, though. Power~enwiki (talk) 23:16, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I would prefer that title. "List of films considered the worst" is kind of POV, and attempts to rename the video games pages have been strongly opposed. ~ TheJoebro64 (talk) 13:20, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 * As you can see from above, moves to "List of films notable for negative reception" have also failed twice. That name may sound better but it's less accurate; this isn't a list of films notable for negative reception, this is a list of films considered the worst ever made! Films have been around a lot longer than video games and there are more of them, a list of films notable for negative reception would be unmanageable.LM2000 (talk) 19:13, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 * True, but I think the definition of "worst film" may need to be redefined. I'd be open to reworking the criteria to redefine this. ~ TheJoebro64 (talk) 11:38, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Saving Christmas
I think I've found enough sources for inclusion at this point but I wanted to bring this to the talk page since it has been discussed before. I remember quoting Christy Lemire's RT blurb during the previous thread; she compared this to The Room, and this source has her quoted as saying this was actually the worst movie she ever reviewed. It also made this worst 10 list, and has 0% on RT, with another critic there calling it "The worst holiday movie ever made." Another source listed it as the worst Christmas movie ever. IMDb's scores don't count for much but it did get a lot of press when this hit the bottom of the bottom 100. Thoughts?LM2000 (talk) 16:41, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2017
I want to add "The Emoji Movie" to the 2010s list due to its HORRIBLE plot-line stolen from other films in attempt to be a kids' classic. 47.221.16.171 (talk) 20:00, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
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THE EMOJI MOVIE
this is a no brainer right? 76.71.142.48 (talk) 21:43, 2 August 2017 (UTC)


 * The inclusion criterion here is having multiple independent reliable sources directly calling it the "worst movie ever made". Do you have sources? - Sum mer PhD v2.0 02:52, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
 * See previous section on this topic. Reach Out to the Truth 05:47, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Transformers: The Last Knight
So...anyone will see that this film will be potentially the first Bayformers film to be part of this list? Xyuehong (talk) 12:51, 8 August 2017 (UTC)


 * As repeatedly discussed, films included on this list must cite multiple independent reliable sources that directly refer to the film as the worst film ever made (or similar). - Sum mer PhD v2.0 21:16, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

That Hagen Girl
Growing up in the 70s, it was understood that Ronald Reagan and Shirley Temple made one of the very worst films of all time. This film was nearly always included in lists of worst movies, see for example The Book Of Lists. It seems strange that this movie is rarely mentioned nowadays. The film's characters find out they are not related after all and so they can become lovers. Politics aside, That Hagen Girl needs to be on this list as it has been historically considered one of the worst films of all time.Maurizio689 (talk) 04:10, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Currently our article on That Hagen Girl (1947) is stub-like:
 * The plot summary is one-paragraph long and way too brief.
 * The Production section is also one-paragraph long and claims that "Reagan considered it his least liked role". Which might not be that surprising, considering that this film caused his hospitalization with pneumonia.
 * The critical reception section has three paragraphs, but they are poorly developed. One quote by an anonymous critic, one newspaper review from 1947 (failing to mention that the reviewer was Bosley Crowther), and the inclusion of the film in the book The Fifty Worst Films of All Time (1978) by the writing team of Harry Medved, Randy Dreyfuss, and Michael Medved. Michael Medved has made a career as a film reviewer, but his opinions are on the dated side.
 * The Awards section mentions that the film has only won one Golden Globe Award, for the performance of Lois Maxwell in a supporting role. This is also the only award mentioned for the film in the Internet Movie Database, but the article fails to mention why this role was critically well received.
 * There is no box office section, but there is a source from 1948 which claims that the film earned 1,5 million dollars at the box office. By comparison, the most profitable film of 1947, Unconquered, earned 6,1 million. Dimadick (talk) 08:27, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I've looked at this film before when I was looking for movies to include on this list. My problem with its inclusion is that there seems to be a lack of individual assessment of it. It has been included in some books, but I'm critical of adding movies just because they were thrown on a list. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of these "worst ever" lists out there and our list would grow substantially if we added every movie that ended up on two or three of these. I've looked in newspaper archives to find reviews that call it the "worst ever" but I had no luck there.LM2000 (talk) 09:30, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Foodfight! again
Amid the hullabaloo regarding the Emoji Movie, The Daily Telegraph released an article this week in which they compared that film to Foodfight!, and declared the latter "the worst animated children's film ever made". It has also been included on worst lists from Screen Rant, Digital Trends and Mental Floss, and the only real review on Rotten Tomatoes said it was "in all sincerity, one of the very worst movies I have ever seen". These are linked on the reception section on the Foodfight! article. I agreed to the removal previously, as said it hadn't received notoriety from prominent critics. I think the Daily Telegraph article pushes this over the line. Any thoughts?LM2000 (talk) 04:41, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * The current inclusion criteria here require reliable sources calling it "the worst film ever made" (or similar). "The worst animated children's film", "one of the very worst movies I have ever seen", etc. say it is the worst film of a category. IMO, that doesn't meet the current criteria. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 16:56, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I think its merits for inclusion are just as strong as most entries. Two top ten worst lists (not worst genre lists, worst ever lists), the "the crappiest piece of crap" review, and a review which called it "one of the very worst movies I have ever seen" would usually be sufficient. The Telegraph review was the major publication to give it that "notoriety", but I do agree that it calls it the worst of its genre. There has been a lot of Foodfight! coverage this year for some reason, we can wait for even more coverage if others agree.LM2000 (talk) 06:19, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

The Emoji Movie
This film should be in this page, plus it has a 0% rating by Rotten Tomatoes


 * It has a 3% now, but it has a 9 out of 100 on Metacritic as well.


 * It's at 6% now, but also has an average of 2/10 stars and has been outwardly called one of the worst movies ever made. I think it qualifies.


 * This movie is horrible.


 * In addition, it's now No. 10 on IMDB's Bottom 100. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Kip (talk • contribs) 16:25, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by The Kip (talk • contribs) 17:01, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

It is still in its opening weekend, and far too early to call it one of the worst films of all-time. Trivialist (talk) 17:25, 30 July 2017 (UTC)


 * More to the point, this article's inclusion criteria call for multiple independent reliable sources directly calling the fill "the worst film ever made" (or similar). RT and Metacritic scores do not meet this goal. IMDb users' scores don't either and, as site user ratings, are generally not used on Wikipedia at all. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 21:27, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment. The Internet Movie Database has a list of Lowest Rated Movies, which includes the 100 films with the lowest ratings on the website. The Emoji Movie is included, but is not actually the lowest rated. The film with the lowest rating on the website is Kod Adı: K.O.Z. (2015), the Turkish propaganda film. Dimadick (talk) 07:09, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Maybe in a few weeks or months we'll include The Emoji Movie. MechMaster Katzenstein (talk) 21:35, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * IMDb scores are not acceptable per MOS:FILM.LM2000 (talk) 00:47, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

AfD on List of animated films considered the worst
I have nominated List of animated films considered the worst for deletion here: Articles for deletion/List of animated films considered the worst. It seems likely that some people who are watching changes to this article will have opinions on that so please feel free to express them. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:12, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

THE EMOJI MOVIE
THE WORST FUCKING PIECE OF CRAP TO EVER CRAWL ITS WAY TO THE SURFACE OF THE EARTH. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.139.205 (talk • contribs) 22:39, August 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * As repeatedly discussed, films included on this list must cite multiple independent reliable sources that directly refer to the film as the worst film ever made (or similar).

Many critics are advising people to not watch this movie and it's also being referred to as a disaster and it's easily the worst film of 2017 hands-down as many critics said but the film is probably one of the worst ever and there is one review that states "it is one of the darkest, most dismaying films I have ever seen, much less one ostensibly made for children." Optimistic Wikipedian (talk) 23:22, 7 August 2017 (UTC)


 * As repeatedly discussed, films included on this list must cite multiple independent reliable sources that directly refer to the film as the worst film ever made (or similar). - Sum mer PhD v2.0 01:19, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

The Emoji Movie is certainly up there, rating 12 of 100 on Metacritic and getting slammed overall. I'm sure we can all do humanity a favour by putting it on the list. But my main point is HOLD YOUR HORSES until a few weeks or months has passed, by when sources calling it "worst ever" has (likely) appeared. We're doing this by the book, and there is after all no hurry to put it on here. We don't want to put a Template:Current on this list, do we?Gaioa (talk) 11:31, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

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Transformers
What about Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen? It the worst movie ever seen on Earth or Cybertron! It not only disappointed the critics/normal watchers, even the TF fans! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.72.163.55 (talk • contribs) 18:30, October 1, 2017 (UTC)


 * As repeatedly discussed, films included on this list must cite multiple independent reliable sources that directly refer to the film as the worst film ever made (or similar). - Sum mer PhD v2.0 23:49, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

The Star Wars Holiday Special
This should be on here. 24.217.122.12 (talk) 03:39, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * As repeatedly discussed, films included on this list must cite multiple independent reliable sources that directly refer to the film as the worst film ever made (or similar). Further, I think we are all assuming that "films considered the worst" must be films. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 04:06, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

It's already in the List of television shows considered the worst so we can't include it in here MechMaster Katzenstein (talk) 01:14, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Also, not a film. Trivialist (talk) 01:26, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

The Emoji Movie
I'd say the The Emoji Movie is a worthy candidate for this article. It had a 0% rating on Rotten tomatoes when it was released, which has since been increased to only a 10% rating, and the most common criticism is its derivative nature and its similarity to other recent animated movies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.224.66.196 (talk • contribs)
 * To be blunt, it doesn't matter what you say. It only matters what you can cite. So, please, cite a reliable source. DonQuixote (talk) 20:51, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure if we can include it. The biggest problem the film has is that it's based on a trend and was never needed. MechMaster Katzenstein (talk) 21:01, 11 October 2017 (UTC)


 * As repeatedly discussed, films included on this list must cite multiple independent reliable sources that directly refer to the film as the worst film ever made (or similar). - Sum mer PhD v2.0 23:00, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2017
Include a section on Foodfight, which has gained infamy as the worst animated film ever made. 79.68.12.150 (talk) 22:37, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I've also recommended that Foodfight be added, but you need to provide multiple reliable sources that call it the worst film (not just animated) of all time.LM2000 (talk) 00:07, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

put Foodfight! back on here
Foodfight! was removed on here, can you put it back on here please?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foodfight! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.72.210.21 (talk) 21:50, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Please cite a reliable source calling it one of the "worst films of all time". DonQuixote (talk) 21:57, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Well there is one film that some consider worst than FoodFight. Take a look at this http://awful-movies.wikia.com/wiki/Where_the_Dead_Go_to_Die MechMaster Katzenstein (talk) 00:16, 24 October 2017 (UTC)


 * As repeatedly discussed, films included on this list must cite multiple independent reliable sources that directly refer to the film as the worst film ever made (or similar). - Sum mer PhD v2.0 02:41, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Fantastic Four (2015 film)
i have heard that Fantastic Four (2015 film) is considered one of the worst superhero movies of all time, displacing Batman and Robin as the nadir of the modern comic book movie genre. here are the resources:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fantastic_four_2015/

http://screenrant.com/bad-movies-ruined-by-studio-recuts-interference/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjHt7VbxGBo

https://letterboxd.com/ezrashugereview/list/top-50-worst-movies-of-the-2010s-so-far-2010/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwHRUxr7Aqg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.72.210.21 (talk) 22:01, 23 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes the film is bad but also it caused the franchise to end. But I don't know if we can include it MechMaster Katzenstein (talk) 00:14, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

As repeatedly discussed, films included on this list must cite multiple independent reliable sources that directly refer to the film as the worst film ever made (or similar). - Sum mer PhD v2.0 02:42, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * People should read the list of films removed from this list before making proposals here, two (three if we count Foodfight twice) of the recent proposals appear there. A fun fact: Three different Fantastic Four films appear in that list.LM2000 (talk) 04:19, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Strange Magic (2015) and Emoji Movie (2017)
http://nypost.com/2015/01/22/strange-magic-is-jaw-droppingly-terrible/

This movie (Strange Magic, 2015) was seemingly pulled under the rug, never to be mentioned in a lot of areas.

Also, The Emoji Movie (2017) is certainly a contender, with numerous negative critic reviews. (Point of this section was mainly to put a light on Strange Magic, which is pretty unknown) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.223.6.135 (talk) 05:14, 11 November 2017 (UTC)


 * As repeatedly discussed, films included on this list must cite multiple independent reliable sources that directly refer to the film as the worst film ever made (or similar). - Sum mer PhD v2.0 15:21, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2017
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 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  Terra  (talk) 09:47, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

WHAT???
Why is Dragonball Evolution not on this list? It it worst than most of those movies combined even worse than Alone in the Dark. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6001:E4CC:5900:8125:63BD:3252:64BA (talk) 22:46, 6 January 2018 (UTC)


 * As repeatedly discussed, films included on this list must cite multiple independent reliable sources that directly refer to the film as the worst film ever made (or similar). - Sum mer PhD v2.0 22:58, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Epic Movie
Epic Movie is a 2007 American comedy film directed and written by Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer and produced by Paul Schiff. It was the first film to be distributed by Regency Enterprises. It was made in a similar style to Date Movie, Friedberg and Seltzer's previous film, but as a spoof of the "Epic" style of films, hence the name. The film mostly references The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, the Harry Potter films, Tim Burton's version of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Pirates of the Caribbean, and X-Men. The song "Ms. New Booty" by Bubba Sparxxx gained commercial attention for being featured in Epic Movie.

Epic Movie was panned by critics. On Rotten Tomatoes the film has an approval rating of 2% based on 64 reviews with an average rating of 2.3/10. The site's critical consensus reads, "A crude comedy with nothing new or insightful to say about the subjects it satirizes." On Metacritic, the film has a score of 17 out of 100 based on 17 critics, indicating "overwhelming dislike". Audiences polled by CinemaScore gave the film an average grade of "C-" on an A+ to F scale.

A. O. Scott of The New York Times called the film "irreverent and also appreciative, dragging its satiric prey down to the lowest pop-cultural denominator" and added, "The humor is coarse and occasionally funny. The archly bombastic score . . . is the only thing you might call witty. But happily, Jennifer Coolidge and Fred Willard show up . . . to add some easy, demented class." Mick LaSalle of the San Francisco Chronicle thought "only a complete idiot could think Epic Movie is remotely funny or worth making at all." Describing it as "so bereft of anything resembling wit or inspiration", he wondered, "What were the perpetrators, uh filmmakers, thinking?" In the Los Angeles Times, Alex Chun called the film "nothing more than a disjointed series of scenes and references cobbled together as a backdrop for sophomoric humor," and Ronnie Scheib of Variety said it was "epically unfunny" and "unlikely to join the list of blockbusters it lampoons." The Radio Times said "There's very little that's epic about this senseless parody, but then there's very little that's funny about it, either... It's mind-numbingly, tediously unamusing and is so devoid of imagination it even parodies self-mocking films."

Please provide multiple reliable sources which describe this as the worst movie ever made, which is the criteria for the article. I've seen this film included in some lists of worsts but I think we would need some independent reviews for it to be a solid candidate.LM2000 (talk) 03:12, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Fateful Findings
Fateful Findings is a 2012 independent technothriller written, directed and produced by Neil Breen. Breen also starred in the film and took on most of the crew roles, including film editor, sound editor, accountant, caterer, set designer, wardrobe, makeup and casting. The film follows an author-turned-hacker with supernatural powers who uses his abilities to reveal government and corporate secrets while struggling with his wife's drug addiction and his attraction to his stepdaughter, ending with an extended press conference scene where politicians and businesspeople confess to corruption and kill themselves before an applauding crowd. Writing for Film Threat, reviewer Mike Hodges described it as "the worst movie ever made", comparing it unfavorably to Troll 2 and The Room. Nathan Rabin, writing for Rotten Tomatoes, said Fateful Findings threatens The Room's position as "best worst movie", while reviewers of the the podcast The Flop House said "Move over The Room, move over Birdemic" and Mystery Science Theater 3000 head writer Elliott Kalan described it as the "good-est bad movie maybe I've ever seen".

Was surprised this wasn't here already. Smurrayinchester 16:50, 1 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Since we have the critics calling it the worst, and it doesn't seem to have been removed before, I've added it. Smurrayinchester 18:15, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks like a solid entry. Good job!LM2000 (talk) 00:23, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Elektra
Elektra is a 2005 film based upon the Marvel Comics character of the same name, and a spin-off to the 2003 film Daredevil. The film follows Elektra, who was killed in the events of Daredevil, coming back to life and must protect a man from The Hand. The film received extremely negative reviews from critics. In a 2016 retrospective, i09 wrote the film was "infinitely more terrible that you remember". They jokingly compared it to "a nihilistic experiment in how long an audience can keep watching something before giving up on life", panning its acting, script, music, choreography, and visuals, and said "Nothing about Elektra works. Every single aspect... is the worst". Empire also panned the film, writing that, although it was better than the previous year's Catwoman, it was still below the quality of Daredevil, "which isn't saying much". On Rotten Tomatoes, the film was the lowest rated film based on a Marvel property until 2015's Fantastic Four scored lower. It is frequently called one of the worst superhero films and one of the worst films ever.

Here's a proposed entry. Elektra—the spin-off no one wanted! JOE BRO  64  23:02, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Support the inclusion of this dreadful film. - Samf4u (talk) 13:22, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

mother! should not be there
The inclusion of mother! on this list is unjustified. The films there should not be divisive, but universally panned. Yeah, some critics reacted to it very negatively, but that's true about many, many other films that are not in this list. Even the critics cited didn't actually call it the worst film ever. Rex Reed said that it's "the worst movie of the century". But the century is fairly new - most movies in this article are from the last century. Kyle Smith called it " "the vilest movie ever released by a major Hollywood studio". But many movies on this list were not released by a major Hollywood studio. Razzie nominations are brought up, as if they mattered - so how come the six movies that were nominated for Worst Picture in this year, all of which had a far worse critical reception than mother! are not included in the article? As for the F Cinemascore rating; 19 other movies got such a rating and only two of these (Alone in the Dark and Disaster Movie) are included here. I Know Who Killed Me for instance isn't included, even though it also got an F, its critical reception was far worse than that of mother!, it made even less money and it won Worst Picture at the Razzies. In sum, some critics hating the film really doesn't justify its inclusion here, when many other critics are calling it a masterpiece. The warning on the top of this page says that before adding a film "Ensure that it is widely considered one of the worst films by a broad spectrum of both casual and professional film critics". That's most definitely not the case with mother!. Aquila89 (talk) 14:56, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Jaws: The Revenge
As repeatedly discussed, films included on this list must cite multiple independent reliable sources that directly refer to the film as the worst film ever made (or similar). - Sum mer PhD v2.0 01:09, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Well what do you know... JOE BRO  64  01:19, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I know that the editor repeatedly restoring the edit without discussion was edit warring. What do you know? - Sum mer PhD v2.0 02:05, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * The only one of those sources that call it the worst of all time is whatculture, which is unreliable.LM2000 (talk) 02:20, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

The Emoji Movie
I hope I could include The Emoji Movie to the list because of negative reception. 💩 --73.184.6.244 (talk) 00:07, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Please read the notice at the top of the page and all the other discussions about The Emoji Movie not meeting the criteria. JOE BRO  64  00:11, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Boom in the Moon
Boom in the Moon may be a good candidate. According to the Boom in the Moon section, Kevin Brownlow considered it the worst ever made and Charles Tatum of eFilmCritic.com said it was the worst of the 1940s. Also, Leonard Maltin said it was "rock bottom" and a Film School Rejects list said it was considered by some to be the worst ever. LM2000 (talk) 07:39, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

The Emoji Movie
There are countless sources claiming 2017's The Emoji Movie as the one of the worst films of all time. It should no doubt be placed on the list

Critics panned The Emoji Movie, calling it "unfunny and a waste of time". On review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes, the film has an approval rating of 9% based on 108 reviews, with an average rating of 2.7/10. The site's critical consensus displays a no symbol emoji ("🚫") in place of text. On Metacritic, which assigns a normalized rating to reviews, the film has a weighted average score of 12 out of 100, based on 26 critics, indicating "overwhelming dislike". Audiences polled by CinemaScore gave the film an average grade of "B" on an A+ to F scale.

David Ehrlich of IndieWire gave the film a D, writing: "Make no mistake, The Emoji Movie is very, very, very bad (we're talking about a hyperactive piece of corporate propaganda in which Spotify saves the world and Sir Patrick Stewart voices a living turd), but real life is just too hard to compete with right now." Alonso Duralde of TheWrap was also critical of the film, calling it "a soul-crushing disaster because it lacks humor, wit, ideas, visual style, compelling performances, a point of view or any other distinguishing characteristic that would make it anything but a complete waste of your time".

Glen Kenny of The New York Times described the film as "nakedly idiotic", stating that the film plays off a Hollywood idea that the "panderingly, trendily idiotic can be made to seem less so". Owen Gleiberman of Variety lambasted the film as "hectic situational overkill" and "lazy" while viciously criticizing the film, writing: "There have been worse ideas, but in this case the execution isn't good enough to bring the notion of an emoji movie to funky, surprising life." Writing in The Guardian, Charles Bramesco called the film "insidious evil" and wrote that it was little more than an exercise in advertising smartphone downloads to children. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:48F8:3026:108A:1C36:D0BD:C349:3FFC (talk) 16:56, 16 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I Agree — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:A8BD:2E00:DCC4:4FF6:A168:840E (talk) 00:32, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

As repeatedly discussed, films included on this list must cite multiple independent reliable sources that directly refer to the film as the worst film ever made (or similar). - Sum mer PhD v2.0 01:18, 9 March 2018 (UTC)


 * There is no doubt in my mind that this movie belongs in this article. All that's needed are some sources. — python coder   (talk &#124; contribs) 22:41, 6 April 2018 (UTC)


 * The lede lists the Razzies as a possible source for entries in this article, and the Emoji Movie won 4. — python coder   (talk &#124; contribs) 20:13, 11 April 2018 (UTC)


 * As repeatedly discussed, films included on this list must cite multiple independent reliable sources that directly refer to the film as the worst film ever made (or similar). - Sum mer PhD v2.0 20:34, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * And Razzies are an annual award, this is about the worst of all time.LM2000 (talk) 02:49, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


 * So if we can find multiple sources that designate it as a "worst ever" movie, we can add it to the page? Maximajorian Viridio (talk) 18:54, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


 * The specific wording is "Ensure that it is widely considered one of the worst films by a broad spectrum of both casual and professional film critics. There are hundreds of 'bad' or even 'crappy' films, this page is for the worst." - Sum mer PhD v2.0 19:57, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Unencyclopedic
Unlike list of films considered the best, this is just totally unsourced discussion. Interesting discussion, but still, nothing to do with an encyclopedia. It should go the way of list of films considered the best and just refer to polls and whatnot of films considered the worst. Renard Migrant (talk) 13:20, 15 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Given the number of editors working on this article, you will likely need a more substantial argument than that.


 * One issue that will likely come up is that I kinda doubt you'll find such polls. Lots of people try to see the "best" movies and continue to generate press decades later. Even if you don't actively seek them out, they end up playing a lot, showing up in undergrad film classes, etc. Citizen Kane comes to mind.


 * Truly horrible films don't get that. Battlefield Earth doesn't regularly pop up on anyone's radar, outside of snarky blogs and fan publications. As a result, they aren't seen as often. A survey of worst films from audiences would likely miss gems like Room. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 18:00, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

"Currently"
This term is worthless and should be avoided when listing scores from Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic and the like, not only because the word itself is redundant, but because the scores are not routinely checked. Racidity (talk) 20:01, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

The Emoji Movie (2017)/What qualifies a movie for this list?
I was a bit surprised that The Emoji Movie (2017) wasn't on here, though I recall it having a strong negative critical response (4% on Rotten Tomatoes after its opening weekend) because of its very poor writing and its extensive, controversial advertising. Does a movie need to have a fairly general consensus of "this is the worst film" in order to be included here? Compynerd255 (talk) 22:29, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Numerous notable critics must describe it as one of the worst ever to qualify for this list. JOE BRO  64  22:39, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Where are russian films?
Seriously, is this "Worst films" or "Worst American films" ? 😡 Where are RUSSIAN movies, like ДЕТИ ПРОТИВ ВОЛШЕБНИКОВ, with the worst animation ever, and ВЗЛОМАТЬ БЛОГЕРОВ, who is just a screen record? PLEASE ADD IT! But noone of your corrupted Capitalist reviewers, like Red Tomato, can't say this films are the worst, because the American thinks that he are the kings of the world, and doesn't watch Russian FILMS!!!!!!!! And many Russian reviewers, like BadComedian, have reviewed this, but American thinks that they are the kings, and thy do not care about Russian reviewers! But I think that if BadComedian is in AMERICAN Wikipedia, so he is a real reviewer. 2A01:E35:2F41:D2D0:19A3:20A1:181D:3662 (talk) 17:20, 1 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Well, someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.


 * We CAPITALIST PIGS insist that we have the worst, most corrupted films in the WORLD!!!!!!! (Realistically, this is the English Wikipedia. Many of our editors speak English, read English newspapers and watch English films. Truly horrible films generally don't get the distribution deals with Disney that Studio Ghibli got.) If you would like to add a really bad Russian film, please ensure that it is widely considered the worst films by a broad spectrum of both casual and professional film critics and cite at least one of the most reliable ones explicitly calling it "one of the worst films ever". - Sum mer PhD v2.0 18:43, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Doom
Why there is no Doom movie listed? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_(film) In 2009, Time listed the film on its list of top-10 worst video games movies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.86.198.19 (talk) 00:40, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Because it's not considered the worst movie ever made.LM2000 (talk) 04:18, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

mother!
I added the film mother! (entry below) a while back. It was removed by, who did have a reasonable argument (also below). I just want to check what is considered a "broad spectrum" of negative reviews. A couple of films on the list have majority positive reviews on Rotten Tomatoes (see I Spit on Your Grave and Mommy Dearest), but are fairly indisputably popular picks for "worst movie". Is a minority of critics calling the film "the worst ever", plus the worst Cinemascore rating ever and Razzie nominations, enough to meet the requirements? Smurrayinchester 09:26, 8 June 2018 (UTC)


 * mother! (2017) Directed by Darren Aronofsky, the Biblical and Gaian allegory mother! divided critics and audiences. Despite a Rotten Tomatoes score of 69%, the film attracted several strongly negative reviews from critics, with Rex Reed in the New York Observer calling it "the worst movie of the century", Kyle Smith in the conservative National Review describing it as "the vilest movie ever released by a major Hollywood studio",, and Michael Heaton for The Plain Dealer naming it "the worst movie I have ever seen". The Daily Telegraph noted that social media reaction was similarly split, with "some calling it a masterpiece, others proclaiming it the worst film they've ever seen", and the film was one of only 20 ever to receive an F grade, the lowest, from movie audiences as tracked by CinemaScore. Aronofsky and stars Jennifer Lawrence and Javier Bardem were all nominated for the 38th Golden Raspberry Awards. Peter Bradshaw for The Guardian, who had given the film five out of five stars in his review, suggested that the film suffered more from mis-marketing and the audience expectations from casting Hunger Games star Lawrence than its own merits or flaws. A deliberately non-committal review from The Globe and Mail gave the film lowest and highest marks simultaneously, and suggested that it was "a once-in-a-lifetime film, whatever that means to you".
 * The warning on the top of the talk page says that before adding a film "Ensure that it is widely considered one of the worst films by a broad spectrum of both casual and professional film critics". That's most definitely not the case with mother!. Some critics really hated it, but it had a mostly positive reception (69% on Rotten Tomatoes, 75 score on Metacritic). No broad spectrum. Aquila89 (talk) 08:06, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Remove Titanic: The Legend Goes On
There is only one source which calls it the worst movie ever, ONLY ONE. I really think it should be removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.41.175.89 (talk) 16:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2018
Should The Emoji Movie be added?, It's actually hated by pretty much everyone even critics 207.172.180.75 (talk) 18:12, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Many movies are hated, this list is for movies considered literally the worst ever. Please see the inclusion criteria at the top of the page. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 18:50, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2018
I think Fantastic 4 (2015) should be added because it was widely panned by both critics and audiences and has appeared on many worst lists. 207.172.180.75 (talk) 23:17, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Please cite at least one. DonQuixote (talk) 23:20, 11 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: As repeatedly discussed, films included on this list must cite multiple independent reliable sources that directly refer to the film as the worst film ever made (or similar). - Sum mer PhD v2.0 13:25, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 October 2018
Request to add more movies to the list 24.18.126.239 (talk) 00:13, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DonQuixote (talk) 02:23, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Dirty Grandpa
Hello, i've found a few quotes that suggest Dirty Grandpa to be one of the worst movies ever, but I'm not sure if they are good enough to qualify for this list. Pete Hammond of Deadline said "Dirty Grandpa is not just the worst movie [DeNiro] has ever been in, but it may be the worst movie anyone has ever been in." Mike Ryan of Uproxx said " Dirty Grandpa is the worst movie I’ve ever seen in a movie theater." Richard Roeper of the Chicago Sun Times said: "If “Dirty Grandpa” isn’t the worst movie of 2016, I have some serious cinematic torture in my near future." At least the first one might qualify it for this list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Epomis87 (talk • contribs) 08:44, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I think the first two count for certain. The Roeper quote would be good to support the claim/ Smurrayinchester 21:13, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2018
I was wondering if any of you guys can put The Emoji Movie to this list because it's considered so. Thanks. --222.96.39.245 (talk) 11:30, 28 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --DannyS712 (talk) 11:47, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

The Emoji Movie
I think The Emoji Movie (Winner of multiple Razzie Awards as well as receptor of critical savaging due to its concept - Being based on icons used in messaging applications - and execution) gives it enough merit to be featured here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.248.35.90 (talk) 15:34, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Repeatedly suggested, but does not meet the inclusion criteria at the top of this page. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 18:43, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2018
Can you guys please fix the following line from the That's My Boy section please?

"The film has been widely panned due to its comedic portrayal of incest, ephebophilia, statutory rape, and gerontophilia."

Adam Sandler's character was in middle school when he impregnated Susan Sarandon's character. According to this website, that would make Sarandon's character a hebephile, not an ephebophile because the latter is attracted to teenagers between the ages of 15-19, not middle school students between the ages of 11-14. Thanks! 47.196.6.94 (talk) 22:14, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Pajeet 💩 06:37, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Punctuation quibble
Quote from article:


 * The Incredibly Strange Creatures Who Stopped Living and Became Mixed-Up Zombies?!! (sometimes billed as The Incredibly Strange Creatures) is a 1964 American monster movie ...

"?!!" at first looks like some random characters typed by someone. However, at the target article it says 'sometimes "!!?" is appended to the title' (note that the punctuation marks are the other way around). If the punctuation marks -- in whatever order they are supposed to be written -- are considered here to be a part of the film's name then they should be part of the link too, i.e. like this:


 * The Incredibly Strange Creatures Who Stopped Living and Became Mixed-Up Zombies?!! (sometimes billed as The Incredibly Strange Creatures) is a 1964 American monster movie ...


 * Removed the punctuation for clarity. --Prospero One (talk) 16:14, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Reliable source for Holmes & Watson?
The quote "disgrace and insult to the legacy of Sherlock Holmes" is unsourced; is it okay to add this source: []? --2A00:23C5:6E52:9400:6916:AAE8:2076:C8A4 (talk) 15:21, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * That movie just came out. It's highly unlikely that there are enough reliable sources calling it one of the worst movies ever made. DonQuixote (talk) 16:33, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Sources called it lots of things: "worst reviewed film", "worst film about Holmes" and "worst film of the year". All of these fall short of calling it the worst film ever made. I've removed the section. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 19:29, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * A lot of the recent additions to this list have been pretty poor. We need a variety of sources which indicate that a wide spectrum of critics describe these films as the worst ever made. Anything short of that doesn't belong here.LM2000 (talk) 07:47, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 16 January 2019

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to any particular title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 08:12, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

List of films considered the worst → ? – I see that this has been discussed before, I but I personally can't stand that title. Is there seriously no better title (ideally one without Layman's terms) that we could use? Geography Aholic  talk  21:07, 16 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment There's no consistency to the titling of these articles across Wikipedia. For example, there is a List of video games considered the best, but not a "List of video games considered the worst" - instead it's called List of video games notable for negative reception. Even worse is their content - for example, List of music considered the worst contains the album Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band... The entire lists of worsts category needs to be overhauled/scrutinized. Klock101 (talk) 22:15, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Sgt. Pepper is supported by cites wherein commentators describe it as the worst album. The Beatles *can* be criticised. Bad example. 2A02:C7F:8EA3:B00:841B:D6E:52E5:5E86 (talk) 13:32, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Not a bad example. That album has been considered one of the best and worst. I bring it up because putting it on a list of either oversimplifies the issue in a biased manner. I couldn't care less that The Beatles are being criticised. Klock101 (talk) 16:01, 17 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Got one: "List of notable films with negative critical reception" Espngeek (talk) 23:43, 16 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I should chime in that the current page title is what got my interest in reading this page. :) But either how it is or "List of films notable for negative reception" would be fine by me. Bchill53 (talk) 00:17, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Anything with "negative reception" in the title should be shot down. This list isn't about films with "negative reception", it's about "the worst". That name has been rejected twice previously.LM2000 (talk) 00:23, 17 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Why not Worst films of all time or Worst films EVER!!! per WP:COMMONNAME. Why get worked up over something that's supposed to be biased. Timmyshin (talk) 02:25, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
 * That or well researched Espngeek (talk) 13:03, 17 January 2019 (UTC)


 * If it's to be something revolving around "negative reception", then there's no point in an article. One can just go to Rotten Tomatoes and see which films scored less than 50%. 2A02:C7F:8EA3:B00:841B:D6E:52E5:5E86 (talk) 13:32, 17 January 2019 (UTC)


 * General Oppose since I find the article title satisfactory. If we were to change it in any way, "worst" should still be kept. "List of worst films of all time", for example. We word it "considered the worst" as a matter of pseudo-attribution, but maybe this can be re-discussed. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 15:15, 17 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I think this should be changed because the titling of this article is inconsistent with the name of other "Worst" pages on this site. "List of films notable for negative reception" is much better. Zombie812 (talk) 18:55, 18 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Rename — Yes, I do agree that "List of films notable for negative reception" is a much better title. Lamp301 (talk) 06:51, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose This is a weird RM because there is no clear proposal but I want to make it clear I oppose the "negative reception" request. That name misses the mark on what this article is about. I agree with Erik that it's really essential to keep the word "worst" in there somewhere. Video games have not been around as long as film, let alone music, and there are not as many of them; this makes it possible for there to be a manageable list of video games notable for negative reception. Films and music are a different ball game... this article is long enough and only covers the bottom of the cinematic barrel.LM2000 (talk) 07:15, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Rename to "List of films notable for negative reception" – As the number of bad movies grows and grows, it becomes less and less likely that they will be considered the "worst ever" because there are so many worse ones they are compared to. The Emoji Movie, for example, is notable for negative reception, but was not usually considered the worst film ever made. The same would probably go for Gotti. Alexschmidt711 (talk) 16:02, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Maybe "List of films notable for overwhelming negative reception" or "List of critically panned films" would work? Alexschmidt711 (talk) 16:03, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * First, The Emoji Movie and Gotti are too recent to consider if they truly count among the worst. Furthermore, there are many very bad movies every year, and there needs to be explicit mention that a film was considered the worst, including beyond a given year. The second template at the top of this talk page, has guidelines to follow to accomplish this. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 17:20, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose renaming. I don't love it either, but the nominator has not come up with a better alternative, and the ones suggested by the other rename !voters are even worse: particularly the suggestions with "notable". UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:46, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Rename to List of films considered to be the worst by year. That is effectively what this list is, and it cleans up the WP:NPOV problem it may have. Feel free to drop the "to be" part, but leaving the "by year" is necessary to what I am suggesting. Every year, movies come up that are considered to be the worst. What this article has always done is catalog the remarks made in WP:RS. Regardless, this needs to be relisted with a suggestion that makes sense and is new. We need a proper alternative, and I like mine. I will also accept some others suggested here. Just please, Relist. Thank you. &#8213; Matthew J. Long -Talk-☖  18:59, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * , your thoughts, please? &#8213; Matthew J. Long -Talk-☖  (ping me) 19:02, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I do not find "by year" to be useful here. It strikes me as implying that there is a worst film every year, where this list shows that some years are not covered at all, and some years have more than one film. The grouping is simply by decade for ease of navigation. It seems better to have a WP:SPLIT discussion where some sections are separated out due to size concerns. No idea what these sub-pages could be called. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 19:53, 22 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose this article isn't about films notable for negative reception or worst by year; it's about films considered the worst. Ribbet32 (talk) 03:04, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I oppose, too. Espngeek (talk) 13:15, 25 January 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Remove Bat Pussy, A Story About Love, The Underground Comedy Movie and Himmatwala?
Bat Pussy is named "worst adult film ever" and "worst porn film ever" but are we sure this is enough to regard this as one of the "worst films" ever? Remember that Titanic: The Legend Goes On was omitted because it was named "the worst animated movie ever" which was considered not close enough to being one of the "worst films" ever.

Dis-en Historie on Kjærlighten is just considered the "worst Norwegian film ever", not necessarily the worst film ever. Also, Harald Kolstad calls it the worst film he has ever seen, which has been argued to be not enough the meet this list's criteria. The film has one but needs more of a spectrum of critics.

The Underground Comedy Movie is referred to as "the least amusing comedy ever made" but that cannot really imply it is one of the worst movies ever made. Other reviewers have called it "the worst film I have ever seen" but you have suggested that does not mean it would be the "worst movie ever".

Himmatwala does not have its primary review suggesting it is one of the worst. Also, IMDb is one source but there needs to be more; its award for "Worst Film of the Year" does not mean it is one of the worst movies of all time. 2A00:23C5:6E52:9400:C46B:82E9:415D:D088 (talk) 13:25, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I think that if a critic says that a film is the worst they have seen then that's as good as if they declare it the worst of all time. It simply isn't possible to have seen every movie ever made, so any critic that uses that terminology can only mean that it was the worst that they've personally experienced. With that, I'd say keep Dis and Underground. Dis was the "worst Norwegian", Kolstad's worst, "the largest turkey" and "the most reviled film". It also made the Total Film list, though that isn't mentioned in its section. Underground has very few reviews but the fact that two high quality critics said it was the worst they had seen and another called it the least amusing is probably noteworthy.
 * I'd be sad to see Bat Pussy go; I think it's an interesting addition, but I've long feared that it was only considered the worst of its genre -- if pornography is even a genre. We need more non-US films, so I'm not happy about taking Himmatwala out either, but I don't think any sources refer to it as the bottom of the barrel. Humshakals barely qualifies.
 * I also think Titanic: The Legend Goes On should be restored but that's a story for another day.LM2000 (talk) 19:17, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Adding KinoPoisk as a source for bad films
Because it's not "worst movies in USA" but it's "worst movies ever", we must consider sites from other countries, that don't automatically post their film reviews on American sites. For russian site, we must use KinoPoisk. It's a Authoritative source and it's actually the biggest film review in Russia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.122.228.142 (talk) 22:23, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Is KinoPoisk a reliable source? Based on the article it sounds like IMDb and we don't use IMDb scores per MOS:FILM. Exceptions can be made if it's covered in reliable secondary sources, like some occasions with IMDb in this article.LM2000 (talk) 05:25, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Adding "Взломать Блогеров"
Взломать блогеров is an awful film. We can't even imagine something worse than this because it's not a movie, it's just a record of a computer desktop and it's just horrible. It has 1/10 on KinoPoisk and it has a lot of negative reviews on YouTube, including from people that are in ENGLISH Wikipedia like BadComedian and in the journalists. Please add this. And remember that your USA isn't all the world and other countries exist, too! 178.122.228.142 (talk) 22:31, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Please cite reliable sources that call it one of the worst films ever. Also, keep in mind that YouTube reviews aren't generally considered reliable sources. DonQuixote (talk) 22:43, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Aren't you enough smart to watch it yourself on his Wikipedia page? 🤦 I don't, want to translate all in English, just watch at Взломать блогеров (use Google translate) (there is enough reliable sources, and yes, BadComedian is a good reliable source, and just because he's a youtuber, à youtuber, not à blogger, doesn't mean he's not professional!). there is primary and secondary sources, wiki quotes and much more. Even the fact that it is in Wikipedia means that it normally has reliable sources.178.127.211.54 (talk)™
 * Please don't consider it as an insult. It was a question, not an insult! And even the Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation did criticized this, so it's really one of the worst movie in Russia, and in the world too.178.127.211.54 (talk) 07:54, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * We need sources that specifically call this the worst movie of all time. I put the article through the translator and there's a lot of criticism but nothing that calls it "the worst". I'm not sure if KinoPoisk or BadComedian are reliable in their own right (KinoPoisk has user generated scores like IMDB, so MOS:FILM is a factor, and BadComedian is just a youtuber), but it seems their criticism caused reliable sources to cover the story. I do think we need an addition source that explicitly calls this the worst film ever made before it qualifies though.LM2000 (talk) 09:02, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * OK thx but I think that noone explliticly says that it's the worst (BadComedian says but he's just 1 person) (but he's not just a simple youtuber, he was on the TV, has 3M subs and has a page on English Wikipedia...) OK 178.127.211.54 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:10, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Do you know of a Russian equivalent to Rotten Tomatoes where there's a database for reviews for professional critics? It makes it easier to search for "worst" reviews when they are all in one place. Regardless, you're right that the English encyclopedia can do a better job covering Russian films. I'm not sure if we can get To Hack Bloggers listed on this article but we can at least get it an article on the English Wikipedia. If it's not notable for being the absolute worst film ever made then it's at least notable for its negative reception.LM2000 (talk) 09:53, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * My search hasn't come up with much for To Hack Bloggers, but I discovered enough for Kidnapping, Caucasian Style! and Guardians (film) so that they may qualify. They're both borderline cases but it will be nice to have more foreign language films on the list.LM2000 (talk) 23:26, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Sharknado?
Is Sharknado worth being put on this list? There are some sources that claim it to be one of the worst films/movie franchises of all time, however, the problems I have with this one are: 1. It's a TV film, and I'm not sure if TV films qualify for this list. 2. It's more in the category "So bad it's good", similar to The Room and Plan 9, and it seems that it doesn't take itself too seriously and seems to be intentionally silly and 3. many negative criticism< rather point to the whole franchise rather than a simgle movie. What are other's thoughts on this? Epomis87 (talk) 15:02, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd have to see the sources, but I'm more inclined to opt not to include. TV doesn't really count here, that's why the Star Wars Holiday Special isn't on here. Besides that, it's a goofy parody in the tradition of Attack of the Killer Tomatoes. The Room and Plan 9 are so bad it's good but that's not what their directors intended, Sharknado was totally deliberate.LM2000 (talk) 07:15, 7 March 2019 (UTC)