Talk:List of fires/Archive 1

Rhythm Club Fire of 1940
I couldn't help but notice that the Rhythm Club Fire of 1940 was omitted from the historic fires article. The only thing this fire didn't have in common with the other structural or building fires is that its victims were all black. It's insulting to see that this fire is consistently ignored in the popular websites about fires. You could remedy this - there is enough information about it online to afford it some mention.


 * Why don't you add it to the list? Adam Bishop 08:12, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Also, the Great Fire of London 1666. 82.68.148.126 20:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Comment by another user: The Oakland Hills fire of 1991 item mentions a number of dwellings destroyed but this is inconsistent with the figures given in the main article for it. Anyone know the right number?

Added the Hotel Vendome Fire in Boston (1972), which resulted in the death of 9 firefighters, also the Great Chicago Fire of 1871 - listed as a city or area fire but not as a structure fire, altho the London Fire was - which I guess argues the question - should either be listed as structure fires? Irish Melkite 12:38, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Why 2008 Muzaffargarh bus caught fire don't additional this section? where occured on September 30, 2008. It is very important case, and add to this section. User:126.113.152.6, 01:18 GMT, February 2009. —Preceding undated comment added 01:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC).

Would this article be notable enough for mention in this article? NorthernThunder 04:32, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Since a few notable wildfires have indeed been included on this list, I changed the heading to more accurately reflect the article's contents. 204.52.215.107 04:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Is this fire a large enough event to be listed on this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooner750 (talk • contribs) 05:32, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest that the "Brimingham Church Fire" of 1902 be deleted, as there was no fire, but the people died because of panic/stampede because they thought they heard someone yell 'fire'. This was mentioned in the book "Book of Lists 3". Joeylawn (talk) 23:15, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup
This list needs a thorough cleanup -- lots of poor English/grammar usage here. --Rehcsif (talk) 18:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Why 2008 Muzaffargarh bus caught fire don't additional this section? Itis very important case, and add to this section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.113.152.6 (talk) 01:16, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Kinda hard to use
Perhaps sub headings seperating antiquity fires from modern fires?Ottawa4ever (talk) 01:17, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I divided the city fires into two sub headings, one for "Antiquity to 1899" and one for "1900 to present". H Padleckas (talk) 08:37, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Article length
Would anyone mind if two lists were created, one for structures and one for cities? that way we could seperate modern fires from antiquity more easily? Its hard to add additional categories and there are more recorded modern day fires any thoughts out there?Ottawa4ever (talk) 19:34, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Criteria for inclusion
This article is an absolute mess. I've removed a few patently non-notable inclusions (as per WP:BOLD), and a few which would be categorised as explosions rather than fires (should even 9/11 be on this particular list - seriously?), but it desperately needs some kind of cut-off point for inclusion, otherwise people are just going to add any old fire from their own location even when there is clearly nothing 'historic' about it in a wider sense. Fatal fires happen every day in every country and with the best will in the world they can't, and shouldn't, all be eligible for inclusion at will. Two examples I left on for now - 2008 warehouse fires in England and Mexico with 4 and 5 fatalities respectively. Tragic for those involved, certainly, but historic? Really?

I would suggest that in the buildings/structural fires section a minimum of 20 fatalities should be the cut-off in most cases, although exceptions could obviously be made for fires with fewer or no fatalities which are beyond question 'historic' (e.g. the Reichstag, or the London New Cross fire for the huge effect it had on race relations in the UK at the time). The key word though must be 'historic', either because of a high fatality count or some political/social impact above and beyond the fire itself.

Further, that a fire without an active wikilink to a specific article must be supported by an inline citation to merit inclusion.

Finally, there should be a standardised format, along the lines of:


 * 1946 - Winecoff Hotel Fire, Atlanta, Georgia (December 7) - 119 fatalities
 * 1947 - Ballantyne's Department Store fire, Christchurch, New Zealand (18 November) - 41 fatalities

I would be quite happy (and would have time in the next few weeks) to go through, and standardise, the list if there are no objections. Any comments? Draggleduck (talk) 07:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I like most of this. One thing i would add though is sometimes theres also an engineering impact to these fires. Even though a building doesnt have a large fatality event it may be included in many peer reviewed journals outlining the signifigance to other buildinsg behaviour. Thats why WTC 7 is an important fire (that for the time being, is not proven to be an explosion. I think above all the criteria for inclusion is secondary sources. If the fire cant be sourced and cant be sourced as to why its importnat to the article it will be removed. At least thats my two sense i do agree theres a danger that any old fire of lil importance isnt included. I agree high fatality and political/impact are important crtierias. Perhaps though historic is the wrong word to use on this article title thoughOttawa4ever (talk) 16:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * One very easy criteria is if theres a wiki artilce developed for them, then include them. This is a typical criteria used for city pages for notable peopleOttawa4ever (talk) 16:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I wish to propose a removal of all terrorist acts and act of war listed on this article, why? during those times, fire will always happen. If nobody or have anything to say within a week, I will steps in and remove them myself. Donnie Park (talk) 20:35, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If the resulting fires are notable (sourced as to why the fire itself is notable) then no; leave them in. Ie the structural fires in the world trade center complexes. Ottawa4ever (talk) 21:06, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Appending to this, some sacks and burning of cities are indeed notable city fires that have occured as well, so the above decision at least to me seems just to broad. Ottawa4ever (talk) 21:08, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Dawson City
Dawson was destroyed by fire three times, the first I think in the early "spring" of 1899 (it was 40 below +) and twice more before, I think, 1902; the current town, or what's left of it, is from the third rebuilding. Don't have the exact dates or would add them. While other small towns in Canada also had fires, these were significant due to the importance of the town and that they happened during its gold rush heyday).Skookum1 (talk) 13:29, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I would agree that major fires in dawson requiring rebuilding would be notable from a canadian perspective. Ottawa4ever (talk) 19:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

FYI sources
For those interested this site seems to list many events which could help with referencing/expanding Ottawa4ever (talk) 19:39, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Recent tagging
This edit is unique; but i think (my poinion alone) in some ways it may be the wrong tag/ or rather the wrong solution. Most of the recent additions are based on associative wiki articles which define the fires as notable. Where they arent and are not covered in enduring lasting coverage they are lacking notability, or are merely in the news. I think those who have no article or have no enduring qualities should be removed from the list. Further the points raised 'historical perspective' How can something 1 year old really be defined as historical, that in a sense i think is valid to tag on, but things can be historical an event which has a reprocussion can only be a few weeks old, but the remedy i think is just to re-name the article and clarify it as in 'List of notable fires'. These are just some random thoughts here to start a discussion of thoughts. Ottawa4ever (talk) 12:23, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Added Peshtigo Fire
Why it wasn't on there is beyond me, it is the deadliest fire in US history!!! Splent (talk) 00:42, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

1997-1998 Indonesian Forest Fire
From the referenced wikipedia article: The 1997 forest fires in Indonesia that lasted well into 1998 was probably among the two or three, if not the largest forest fire in the last two centuries of recorded history. Weallcock (talk) 23:33, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Indonesian Forest Fire of 1997-1998

Chile potential resources
99.181.147.68 (talk) 04:45, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Piñera Defends Response to Chile Wildfires by Simon Romero and Pascale Bonnefoy Jan.3.2012; NYT excerpt ... "The wildfires are believed to have begun in the majestic Torres del Paine National Park last Tuesday, and they broke out in other areas over the weekend."
 * Efforts to Fight Fires in Southern Chile Continue January 03, 2012 Voice of America
 * Chile police investigate 'intentional' forest fires 3 January 2012 BBC
 * Massive fires rage across Chile First posted: January 03, 2012 03:10 PM EST Toronto Sun
 * Chile's fire-swept Torres del Paine park could reopen this week by Laura Bly, USA Today
 * Chilean forest fires claim life 6:05 AM Wednesday Jan 4, 2012 nzherald.co.nz

duplicate entries
Under header 1976-2000, there are the following apparently duplicate entries, which some ambitious knowledgeable editor may care to merge: — Preceding unsigned comment added by H Padleckas (talk • contribs)
 * 1995—Dayananda Anglo Vedic private school fire, Mandi Dabwali, Haryana, India, 538 killed on December 23
 * 1995-Dabwali tent fire, Haryana, India, 540 killed on December 23

Good point, I should have noticed that. I got rid of the first one, since mine actually links to the relevant article. DoctorKubla (talk) 17:11, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Jafeluv (talk) 06:47, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ottawahitech (talk • contribs) 14:06, 4 June 2013‎ 14:06, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * List of fires → Timeline of fires


 * Oppose why? I don't see any good reason for that name. -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 05:00, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
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Phoenix, BC, 1909
Why was this taken out? "* 1909—Phoenix, British Columbia destroyed by fire, then rebuilt"......there's too many intervening edits to search through.Skookum1 (talk) 09:50, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

1947-Ballantyne's Department Store fire
There was no justification for the capitalisations in "Department Store" since the company and the building were known simply as "Ballantyne's". I have lower-cased the "D" and "S". Akld guy (talk) 21:43, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Fires in the XVIth century
According to Wikipedia FR, much more fires occured during the XVIth century See at : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronologie_des_grands_incendies#XVIe.C2.A0si.C3.A8cle

1524 : pillage et incendie de la ville royale de Leżajsk (Pologne) par les troupes de Kantymira Murza.

1524 (24 mai) : Grand incendie de Troyes. Le feu, parti dans la soirée, vers 10 heures du soir, de la maison d'un apothicaire nommé Moussey, se propage très rapidement à plus de cinquante autres maisons, et en divers lieux et quartiers de la ville et dure 28 heures, jusqu'au 26 mai à 3 heures du matin. Vingt-deux rues furent la proie des flammes, et on évalue à 3 000 le nombre des maisons brûlées. Un certain nombre d'édifices publics, ainsi que sept églises furent détruits.

1530 : incendie des villes de Sceaux et de Bagneux (dans l'actuel département des Hauts-de-Seine, France), les villes sont détruites partiellement.

1532 : premier incendie de Tábor en Bohême du Sud.

1544 : incendie et destruction de Vitry-en-Perthois par les armées de Charles Quint. Le roi François Ier en confia la reconstruction à l'architecte et ingénieur militaire italien Girolamo Marini, originaire de Bologne. La ville fut reconstruite sur l'emplacement du village de Maucourt à quelques kilomètres au sud et devint en l'honneur du roi de France Vitry-le-François.

1555 : un grand incendie détruit les toits et le haut des murs de l’hospice du Grand Saint-Bernard.

1546 : incendie du Grand Bazar (kapalı çarşı) d'Istanbul (Turquie).

1559 : deuxième incendie de Tabor.

1559 : incendie de La Charité-sur-Loire, destruction de la cité monastique.

1559 (18 mai) : incendie dit des Grandes Écoles à Bourges, qui commença dans un immeuble jouxtant les locaux de l'université, à proximité de la cathédrale. Entourée de tous côtés par les flammes, celle-ci fut sérieusement endommagée : les toitures des chapelles furent détruites, ainsi que les orgues, et même la façade fut touchée, avec la destruction du lanternon du pignon.

1560 : un incendie ravage l'Abbaye de Saint-Maurice d'Agaune en Suisse.

1577 (20 décembre) : incendie du palais des Doges à Venise, au cours duquel est détruite la salle du Grand conseil, ainsi que de nombreuses œuvres d’art, signées notamment de Titien, Le Tintoret, Paul Véronèse, qui la décoraient. En huit mois le palais fut reconstruit à l'identique.

They should be added to the list.

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