Talk:List of first human settlements/Archive 1

Oldest Remains Might Be 400,000 Years Old
And, found in Israel. Discovery News Article Phys.org Article NBCnews.com Video Frankly, I find it hard to believe, because it's Israel, which has a LOT to gain by faking an earliest human remains case (their tourism, and power entirely rely upon people believing in the Monotheist cults originally invented by the Hebrews to preserve history, smack-talk non-Hebrews, etc.). But, while I am personally skeptical, it should be mentioned that the oldest remains might be these teeth, rather than anything in Ethiopia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.117.188.59 (talk) 16:21, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

I second this comment and I propose that I now include it in the article, especially since nobody has objected to the idea since this comment above was published on here in June this year (see time stamp above). I will do it now. Please comment here before removing it if anyone has an objection. I will use the dailymail.co.uk article that I found as a citation to backup my comment which I assume would count as a valid secondry source, which in turn refers back to the primary source (i.e. findings of Professor Avi Gopher and Dr Ran Barkai of the Institute of Archeology at Tel Aviv University, published last week in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology). --197.229.68.167 (talk) 16:07, 16 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Last week? What are you talking about? And this is a perfect example of why we shouldn't use newspapers. See and . They never claimed the teeth were from homo sapiens or were 400,000 years old. And some of your text was copy and paste from a source. Dougweller (talk) 17:58, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

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Problems with American dates
The intro states "The Americas were populated by humans at least as early as 14,800 years ago,[6] though there is great uncertainty about the exact time and manner in which the Americas were populated" which isn't too bad. But then we get sections such as the one for Canada "25,000-40,000 BP", United States "50,000 BP" which says, with no cite, "Dr. Albert Goodyear carbon dates plant back to 50,000 years and sediment in Allendale County,USA." Allendale County, South Carolina says "possible evidence of a pre-Clovis culture dating back 50,000 years" again with no citation. Brazil has "41,000-56,000 BP" linking to Pedra Furada sites which says there are artefacts there "carrying the range of dates up to 60,000 BP." That's sourced to "Guidon, Niède. 1986 "Las Unidades Culturales de Sao Raimundo Nonato - Sudeste del Estado de Piaui-Brasil"; New Evidence for the Pleistocene Peopling of the Americas: 157-171. Edited by Alan Bryan. Center for the Study of Early Man. University of Maine. Orono."

All of this is controversial but is in the List as fact. Some help with this would be appreciated from anyone familiar with the literature. The linked articles probably need work also, especially the Pedra Furada one which needs updating. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 09:02, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

This is an americans theory and americans know everything.
But logic and commonsense tells us most of us the world humans live in Asian/India and not Africa. Please explain how you can tell the age/dating from your human fragments and show us a;; how you can tell there age through DNA. http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/evolution/chinese-academics-point-to-fossil-finds-as-evidence-modern-humans-evolved-in-southeast-asia/news-story/759392de611a3c7ffb5e57f97a2d4c1a
 * https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&gl=au&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=china&oq=china&gs_l=news-cc.3..43j0l10j43i53.1952.3433.0.3657.5.5.0.0.0.0.229.702.1j1j2.4.0...0.0...1ac.1.7H9_ywHdrmo#hl=en&gl=au&authuser=0&tbm=nws&q=china+has+the+oldest+human — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.109.165.182 (talk) 00:35, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Lithuania
The reindeer horn hammer find dated 41,000–43,000 BP is possible, but the cited source says it could be a Neanderthal artifact, not modern human. Goustien (talk) 06:14, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

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Criteria for inclusion
This is a neat article, but lacks a stated "criteria for inclusion". Otherwise it's open ended to any country in list of sovereign states, which is very long, and ultimately not very interesting/trivial? Green Cardamom (talk) 02:47, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, for starters additions must be well sourced, from an academic document, published journal article or equivalent. That pretty much eliminates the chance of superfluous additions, as it would be doubtful that a research journal would go into that form of meaningless, trivial detail (such information tends to come from unreliable blogs). --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 05:39, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No sorry I was not clear. If we look at Poland for example. If we went to the library and found a reliable academic book on Polish history (there are many), and read the first chapter, it would describe the earliest known human settlements in Poland. Then we did the same for Botswana. Then Mexico. And so on.. we could do this for every nation in the world, there are 100s. Is that the scope of this article? Or only a select few countries as representative? Green Cardamom (talk) 04:45, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If this is a list, I don't see any problem with including all countries - which, if organised properly, can be useful rather than trivial - since trends in settlement dates may become evident. I would say open it to all recognised countries - otherwise the article becomes open to bias. Perhaps organising by continent (or adding continent as a sortable column) would be helpful. Simon Burchell (talk) 09:23, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

More to the point, what costitutes a settlment? Two jawbones doesn't seem like enough. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 17:17, 22 March 2018 (UTC). All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 17:17, 22 March 2018 (UTC). 17:17, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I propose that List of islands by modern settlement date be merged into List of first human settlements. All the information on that page is already, or should be, included here in the sections "Holocene" or "Modern." Goustien (talk) 01:07, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I approve of it as the creator of the islands list.--Simen113 (talk) 01:12, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Why there are 2 different timescales used??
first author is using BP timescale to switch to AD in the other part? It does not make any sense! BTW the earliest Paleolithic human activities in Poland is about 800,000 years old. Can somebody fix these errors? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.204.183.31 (talk) 12:24, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, for starters, due to the nature of archaeology, standard dates for the oldest settlements are generally given in years before present. However, for recent events it is often easier for the reader to put the date in perspective if the calendar year is given.  800 BP doesn't mean anything to me at first glance, but 1200 AD immediately puts images of medieval Europe in my head.  This is a convenient reference.  Anyway, the dates are clearly marked, so I disagree with the need to standardize them.


 * As for the 800,000 BP date in Poland (Stone-Age Poland), that refers to Homo erectus. This list is only for modern Homo sapiens, not Homo erectus or Neanderthals. Goustien (talk) 19:09, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Because the scale goes up to AD 1974, and it would be peculiar to give the date of 1974 as "-24 BP". Dates known from the historical record (as opposed to the archaeological one), such as the settlement of Iceland, should be given in the AD epoch. --dab (𒁳) 13:18, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Discrepancies between map and list
The map and list have apparent discrepancies, such as when the list includes several asian pre-60k entries while the map shows post-60k dates.

I realize the map is showing vectors where larger patterns have been observed, while the list is inclusive of individual discoveries that may not align to those patterns and trends. So, while there isn't a likely 'fix' that makes the map fit all the list entries, perhaps an explanation would help, and/or individual markers/blips for entries that don't neatly fit the larger trends (yet?). Or the map could be revised. Or a second map could show individual (vs trend) sites from the list. ArtDent (talk) 17:30, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Also, the map shows migration out of eastern africa at 200kya when the Jebel Irhoud site shows it had already spread much before that. It's time for a new map. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jebel_Irhoud — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rubecuber (talk • contribs) 11:28, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Callao Cave
Callao Cave is Homo luzonensis not Homo sapiens (Jkrn111 (talk) 09:04, 2 March 2022 (UTC))

When was this last updated?
When was this last updated? 107.77.197.64 (talk) 22:06, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Levalloisean implements within the 30-, 15-, and 10-foot terraces in Egypt predate Taramasa Hill
In the 3.1	Africa (section) of the Levallois technique article on Wikipedia I found this:


 * Egypt: Within the banks of the Nile River, excavations have located Levalloisean implements within the 30-, 15-, and 10-foot terraces. Within the 30-foot terrace, the implements were originally thought to be early Mousterian, but were later reclassified. The 15- and 10-foot terraces again were classified first as Egyptian Mousterian, but later as developed Levalloisean.

Seems to predate Taramasa Hill but since I'm no expert on this subject I'd like someone who is to verify if it is considered a human settlement and worth adding here as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bongoven (talk • contribs) 10:08, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Help me understand what's posted about settlement at the "Frankish Castle" on the island of Paros in Greece.
I visited the island of Paros in Greece last month. Signage on the interesting "Frankish Castle" suggests findings there document continuous settlement stretching back more than four thousand years. In short the signage makes the following assertions:


 * Roughly a thousand years ago in 1260 a Venetian Duke built this castle from remains of the ancient temple of Athena existing in the 5th century BC (roughly a thousand seven hundred years before the Duke's time).
 * It says that nearby a Neolithic settlement from two thousand BC was excavated.

That places settlement at the castle environs stretching back at least four thousand years.

I see no mention of the site in this list of settlement sites.

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Al samuel225 (talk) 15:39, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Lepenski Vir is not on the list...
Why for God sake Lepenski Vir is not on this list? Бојан Радусиновић — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uyashiba (talk • contribs) 07:19, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Move to " list of early human settlements"
I think this would make significantly more sense, as first implies the absolute first one, that is incompatible with a list. Geardona (talk) 04:58, 28 December 2023 (UTC)