Talk:List of flautists/Archive 1

Deleted names
Hi - I'm interested to know why my additions of two players to the flutists page were rescinded by another user. Thanks. Canamets (talk) 23:10, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It appears that I was the editor who deleted the names you added. My edit summary read "-redlinks", which means I deleted red-linked names. On Wikipedia, links to valid articles appear in blue, whereas links pointing to non-existent articles appear in red. On lists such as this, names without Wikipedia articles are regarded as not having demonstrated notability. The usual procedure is to write an article first, which contains the necessary reliable sources to establish notability.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 01:16, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

WP:BRD merger
I have merged "Flutist" and "List of flautists"; selected "flutist" over "flautist" as it is the older term, and the one preferred by the cited musicians in "Flautist". There were a number of additional (small) improvements, mainly to style an picture & TOC placement.--Раціональне анархіст (talk) 20:29, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Responded to this at Talk:Flautist --&mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 22:57, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * After reverting the Dec 22 merger and discussing exhaustively at Talk:Flautist, consensus was to re-direct both Flautist and Flutist into Flute, and to retain List of flautists and the related Categories in their present form. —Patrug (talk) 05:43, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Native section
Moving here from my talk page: Regarding this, the list is not List of flautists by heritage/ethnicity. Being listed under "Western Classical" does not mean someone was born in the "West". Being listed under "Native American" reflects the musical tradition in which he plays. That he belongs in this section is clearly well documented. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 17:40, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * We should do this on the talk page of the article. Moving conversation there. - Corbie V  ☊☼ 17:43, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

We need consensus around whether this is for anyone who plays "Native American style" flute, or traditional Native American flautists as they are listed on related music pages. If we go with the former, as Rhododendrites is suggesting, it will be inconsistent with the conventions at List of Native American musicians, where it's required that: "All individuals on this list should have Native American ancestry." If non-Natives who play Native-style flutes are included, the section name needs to be changed to "Native American Style" with a note that not everyone on the list is a Native American. Personally I prefer sticking with the same conventions that are used on all other Native music pages. - Corbie V  ☊☼ 17:49, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * If we are to exclude names on grounds of ancestry, surely this will also apply to the section on Japanese flute, where eleven of the twenty-three entries are for non-Japanese players (though one of them, Alcvin Ramos, was born in Japan, it is not clear whether or not he has Japanese ancestry). The same would also apply to at least two of the names currently in the Irish list. I'm not so sure that, in the long term, such a policy would not also apply to the "Western Classical" list.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 19:35, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Rhododendrites is correct. The lead sentence of this article has always stated clearly that we're organizing the names by "musical genre", not by ethnicity of the performer -- and about 100 editors have classified about 500 flautists consistently according to this scheme for years. The consensus for this article is clear, and I think the lead sentence is clear enough that we shouldn't need to add "style" to the header of every section. —Patrug (talk) 06:03, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Robert Murchie
Any London wind player of the past 70 years or so would be a bit curious about the omission of Robert Murchie. To that, add any army bandsman who went through Kneller Hall before and during the war. Not to mention Eton. So am I. 90.204.164.29 (talk) 08:52, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Good suggestion. From a quick google search, it looks like Murchie has enough notability & references for someone to create an English Wikipedia article about him. Once this happens, we should indeed add him to our List of flautists. —Patrug (talk) 16:07, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2018
Peterporch (talk) 21:17, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Ogunleye Olamide from Nigeria has just joined the list of flutists — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterporch (talk • contribs) 21:19, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —  IVORK  Discuss 21:23, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
 * ❌ Unless and until the notability of Ogunleye Olamide can be established (using citations of published, reliable sources) and a Wikipedia article written about them, they should not be added to this list. Please see Write the article first.  General Ization Talk  21:25, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2018
This page must contain the name Nadine Asin, one of today's foremost fulutists. 68.193.35.45 (talk) 03:04, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DannyS712 (talk) 03:10, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Https://g.co/kgs/q1bzPn — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.35.45 (talk) 03:15, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2018
This page must contain the name Nadine Asin, one of today's foremost flutists. 68.193.35.45 (talk) 03:10, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:14, 23 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This is a list of notable flautists, as reflected by the creation and development of a Wikipedia article (including citations of reliable sources that establish notability) for each of those artists listed. Asin has no article. Please see Write the article first.  General Ization Talk  03:16, 23 December 2018 (UTC)


 * http://www.bostonrecords.com/nadine-asin-1/  68.193.35.45 (talk) 03:21, 23 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Once again, see Write the article first. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 03:26, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2019
Please add the following musician to your list of flautists: Norda Mullen. Norda Mullen is a classically trained American flautist, who now resides in the United Kingdom. She has been a touring artist with the British rock band The Moody Blues for over 16 years. Please visit her website at nordamullen.com for further information. Shelley Rodner (talk) 16:05, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The subject's Web site does not qualify as a reliable source to establish notability, which is necessary to add the subject to this article.  <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization  <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 16:11, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * See also Write the article first. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization <i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i> 16:15, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2019
Ciao Fellow Wikipedians: Kindly include the name of Nicholas Laucella (aka Nicola Laucella) to your list of Western Classical Flautists. Laucella was appointed as Principal Flautist at the New York Philharmonic in New York City by its legendary Music Director Gustav Mahler in 1909 and remained with the orchestra until 1919. He also served as the Principal Flautist at the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra in New York City for several years (1919-1935) and composed several noted works for flute and vocal accompaniment. Many thanks in advance for your kind and thoughtful consideration and best wishes for your continued editorial success on Wikipedia! 104.207.219.150 (talk) 16:41, 10 July 2019 (UTC)PS

104.207.219.150 (talk) 16:41, 10 July 2019 (UTC)


 * ✅ Alduin2000 (talk) 23:19, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2020
Rock/Pop Flautists: Lizzo

Sources: https://www.grammy.com/grammys/news/lizzo-and-her-flute-open-2020-grammys-cuz-i-love-you-truth-hurts

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/art-books-music/a28166711/lizzo-performance-bet-awards-2019/ 2601:203:C101:E200:E88E:33C6:DBAC:B209 (talk) 20:20, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 18:36, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Intention?
this list seems to be suffering from the same malady that afflicts many of these Wikipedia "list of ..." articles.

What is the intention of the list? Is it to list:


 * Every flute player who every lived since the dawn of time?


 * Every famous person who ever blew even a single note on a flute during their life?


 * As many famous flutists as possible?

This is important, because, in order, these are 1) probably impossible, 2) probably useless, and 3) perhaps actually functional.

Things seem to be tending towards the second. Case in point: John Coltrane is famous, yes. But he is decidedly NOT famous for being a flutist. While he did play around with the instrument in his off-time, to my knowledge he only ever recorded with it once, on a single tune, out of the hundreds of recordings he made.

John Coltrane should not be on a list of "flautists", and I note several others whose presence here is questionable, as well.

Is rational perspective possible, or has Wikipedia abandoned that long since?

I see this note in the lede:


 * "This is a dynamic list and may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness. You can help by expanding it with reliably sourced entries."

Yet the article seems to be locked. Since the article is locked, then list is no longer "dynamic". Perhaps it's time to remove that note?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.253 (talk) 22:15, 19 June 2020 (UTC)