Talk:List of former Neighbours characters

Asterix in the table
Can I ask waht the * means in the current characters table? I've always assumed it means the character has left the show and then come back at a later date, with the episode number givenbeing that of their very first appearance. Today there was just Paul Robinson, Lou, Sky and Janelle with the '*' next to their episode number. If what I assume is true, then Harold and Carmella should also have them and so have added them in. Evil Eye 12:36, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

For this and other character list pages I have noticed that whenever I try to add additional info such as maiden names and names from previous marriages someone always edits it back. Any reason for this? Wouldnt want to do anything wrong! Cls14 15:50, 2 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I wasn’t aware there was any crossover between diminutive heroic Gauls and Neighbours. — Chameleon 11:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Rosemary Daniels - recurring?
Surely Rosemary should be listed under the recurring characters section as she wasn't a regular character and only appeared occasionally.Gmanuk2007 20:33, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Links, and articles on minor characters
Some of the links here point to disambiguation pages or are otherwise bad. I would also argue that there are many worthless stub articles on minor characters. I hope somebody from the relevant WikiProject will look into these issues. --kingboyk 17:35, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Width!
Is the width of the tables meant to shrink like that as you go down? Simply south (talk) 21:37, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * There was something wrong with the "F" section, where Daniel's name is. No idea what it was but somehow I fixed it :) I wanna try and get around to evening out the tables to, looks quite cluttered at the moment. Swanny92 (talk) 13:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * K thought I did but there must be a bug or something because the table's layout is exactly the same as the others yet the problem effects the F table onwards. Might have to come up with a new layout for the list, it's getting hard to handle Swanny92 (talk) 14:03, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Its not just F though, the other sections do as well, just scroll down. Simply south (talk) 14:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah I know, but the problem originates at the F table. If you were to delete it, the other tables should go back to normal (I think). It's an odd problem, seeing as the code for the F table is the same as the others. Swanny92 (talk) 21:10, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well somehow it's gone back to normal for the time being. All of them appear to be fine now. Swanny92 (talk) 21:11, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Eddie Buckingham
Eddie Buckingham is a minor character. I suggest we convert its article to a redirect in this list. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:10, 20 June 2008 (UTC) The same for Nicholas Atkins. I suggest we convert to redirects all characters that appeared for less than 8 months or so to the List. Check Articles for deletion/Marco Alessi for a discussion. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:52, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Miranda Parker
I notice that the Miranda Parker wiki has not yet been merged with this page. Is any help required with this? --5 albert square (talk) 02:41, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Renee
Renee should be added to list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.110.107.139 (talk) 09:44, 23 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you mean the minor character that appeared in March 2010? - JuneGloom07    Talk?  18:18, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Angus
Angus Henderson is missing from list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.32.72.44 (talk) 21:21, 5 October 2010 (UTC)


 * That's because he's on the Recurring characters of Neighbours list instead. - JuneGloom    Schmooze  22:19, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Births, marriages and deaths
The cross-reference to the "births, marriages and deaths" page has disappeared. Why? 110.32.89.197 (talk) 10:39, 6 February 2013 (UTC)Geoffrey Hilliard
 * I'm not quite sure what you mean, but a link to that list is included on the Neighbours navagational template at the bottom of the article. - JuneGloom    Talk  17:17

Sorry, I found the link when clicking on "show".110.32.90.125 (talk) 09:55, 7 February 2013 (UTC)Geoffrey Hilliard
 * Ah okay, glad you found it. - JuneGloom    Talk  16:12, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Stewart Adam
24-year-old Stewart Adam - who played affable mechanic Aaron Barkley Read more: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/news/a14819/young-neighbours-actor-dies-from-clot.html#ixzz3ZJ9P5eJg

Not sure, never watched the show. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 23:04, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I assume you're asking if he should be added here? Aaron Barkley was a recurring character, so he is included in the Recurring characters of Neighbours list. - JuneGloom07    Talk  23:52, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Dan Ramsey
Added Dan Ramsey, actor Sydney Conabere. Surprised there is no character page considering he appeared in the show for a couple of years. Also surprised that the actor has no article of his own, considering his volume of work in Australian TV. So I'm working to rectify that. Bennycat (talk) 04:15, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * As the character was recurring, I've moved him to the Recurring characters of Neighbours list instead. During my research of the 1986 characters, I found that there was not enough reliable sources to create an individual article for the character, so he'll be included in the 1986 list (which I'll finish off soon). - JuneGloom07    Talk  01:57, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Melissa Jarrett return?
Hi all,

Melissa is listed as a returning character but her page is still showing "former regular". I cannot find a source to state she's returning, does anyone have a source for this?--5 albert square (talk) 16:23, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything on this page or her article saying she is returning. There's nothing in the history either. - JuneGloom07    Talk  03:06, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Wait, are you getting her confused with Marisa Warrington, who is returning as Sindi Watts? - JuneGloom07    Talk  03:09, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

"Complete List of All Characters That Have Ever Appeared on Neighbours" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Complete List of All Characters That Have Ever Appeared on Neighbours. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 17 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Regards, SONIC 678 18:39, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Article title
I have opened a discussion here to discuss the article title potentially being changed from "past" to "former" – feel free to join in on the discussion! – DarkGlow (contribs • talk) 13:35, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Moving the article
With the final episode mere hours away, I didn't see a discussion about what is going to happen to the two character lists. Once everyone has been added, I think this article should be moved to the List of Neighbours characters title (while keeping the histories intact). - JuneGloom07 Talk  21:50, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I do not think that this list should be merged. I do not know what will happen to List of Neighbours characters, but I assume that it will get split into sections with tags that lead to the separate two list articles; this one and the recurring list. But I do not think it should be merged, especially with the recurring list floating around. I now support. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 21:53, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support. With all characters becoming former characters very soon, I think it is sensible for the article to be moved to the List of Neighbours characters title as there will be no more present and former. The recurring list can continue as it stands, existing alongside this list of regular characters. Soaper1234 - talk  22:23, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - It just makes perfect sense to perform this move to List of Neighbours characters. There is no need for a former list anymore since the show is ending. It is good to preserve the edit history too. - JuneGloom07 never suggested anything about the recurring characters but if you are implying that this move will create issues for that list - it is a separate discussion for another day.Rain the 1 22:29, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support merge Apologies for my WP:BOLD edit; I checked the talk page at List of Neighbours characters, but didn't look here. In my edits I felt that this article provided the framework for which the most recent characters can be placed into, as departing regulars always are, so redirected the present cast list to here (along with changing the title of this article). U-Mos (talk) 03:32, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support since it makes sense to do that. — 🌼📽️Anemone  Projectors💬  12:58, 29 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I notice the other list has been made into a list of the final cast. I'm not sure how necessary this is - it is something that could be found in the final episode article. I think a merge needs to be performed with the contents of this page being moved to that page. Soaper1234 - talk  15:27, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Titling
Per the above and Articles for deletion/List of Neighbours characters, the question that remains is the titles that the two character list articles should be under. Currently they are List of regular Neighbours characters - moved from "List of former Neighbours characters" after the show ended, with the final content of the present character list at List of Neighbours characters merged in - and Recurring characters of Neighbours. I can't find a direct equivalent situation, as the List of Brookside characters and List of Crossroads characters are both the only character lists for their respective soaps. Personally, having not noted the nomenclature of the recurring characters article previously, I favour moving this article to Regular characters of Neighbours to match. Considering there are two character list articles, I don't think having an article under List of Neighbours characters alone is beneficial now the show has ended. U-Mos (talk) 04:18, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "List of regular Neighbours characters" is a perfectly fine name. There is one article for regular characters and one for recurring. Naming this page anything else will only cause confusion. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 04:22, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

2023
Alright, whether we want to discuss it or not, we all know that there'll need to be some changes to these pages. So, when will we revert back to having the three main lists: Present characters, former/regular characters and recurring characters? - Therealscorp1an (talk) 21:15, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

My feeling is when we have a source of a clear, full cast list for the return. Which won't be for a good while yet. As it is, the current cast list would be four people long, which doesn't justify a separate article. U-Mos (talk) 21:35, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * At that time, this article should revert to List of former Neighbours characters, which will be linked from the primary characters list as previously. Any cast that are announced in the meantime can of course begin a List of Neighbours characters (2023) article, and do not need to be added here. U-Mos (talk) 21:57, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

now that the cast have been announced today can a present cast page be set up for this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.64.26.20 (talk) 12:49, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I think so, yes. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 22:54, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * In tandem with the below discussion, I believe the best time to do this is when production starts. This is also in line with, for instance, series/season articles for ongoing television dramas. U-Mos (talk) 10:27, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Durations for 2023 returning characters
Please stop your disruptive edits. Mackenzie, Leo, Terese and Jane are not former characters anymore. Their stints have been confirmed to drag on into 2023. In soap operas, we follow the convention that if there is less than a year's gap between each appearance, we continue the duration year in the infobox. Your edits have been contrasting to this "rule" that we tend to follow, so please stop. It is not WP:CRYSTAL either, as you claim so, as it has been confirmed by multiple reliable sources. I am sure other editors such as User:U-Mos and User:DaniloDaysOfOurLives would agree. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 22:54, 28 February 2023 (UTC)


 * They are not disruptive. WP:CRYSTAL applies as there is no definitive return date for the series—Wikipedia is not a crystalball; yes, their return is announced and the target is late 2023, but that is not a definitive date of happening. Not to mention, YYYY– is in violation of MOS:DATETOPRES which states it should be YYYY–present. And I am aware of the one-calendar year rule, as I was part of the original discussion on the year-merge. Removing the cap-off is the violation of WP:CRYSTAL, not the merging of 2022 and 2023, which seems to be what you believe I am doing. Adding "–present" is the violation of WP:CRYSTAL as the series is not airing, ttherefore, the characters are not presently present, with no definitive return date for their appearances. And, 2023 IS the present tense, so any listing of 2023–present is redundant and wrong. Per WP:CRYSTAL, it states: Dates are not definite until the event actually takes place, as even otherwise-notable events can be cancelled or postponed at the last minute by a major incident, and, as of yet, we do not know the date, and there is always the potential of pushback from Amazon Freevee. Tagging long-time soap editors into this discussion, as their involvement would be appreciated.   livelikemusic   ( TALK! ) 23:02, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Neighbours has never really used "–present" (which I merely respected in this instance), but that is not the issue here. They have announced that these four cast members will be returning in soap, which is set to air in late 2023, therefore this year. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 23:08, 28 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Except, it is the issue, because that is what's also being tagged in edit summaries. MOS is always to be followed. We cannot ignore what Wikipedia requires of us. And as I've stated before, "late 2023" is not definitive. It can change. Until it states "MM–DD–YYYY" then it is up for speculation and is in-question of WP:CRYSTAL. Not to mention, per the template data on Infobox soap character, it states Years the character, not the actor, has appeared, and none of the characters are presently appearing, as the series is not actively airing new episodes. Same would go for portrayer (those with multiple portrayers).  livelikemusic   ( TALK! ) 23:11, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I think it is incorrect to change the durations since Neighbours is not currently in production. This is why I have not changed any of the durations. This is a rare instance as the soap operas are normally in production. Once the actor films and an episode is created it is fair game since someone is likely to have viewed the episode and it exists regardless if it has been broadcast. I can understand why WP:CRYSTAL is applied since a major event could occur or a production change could happen and their return may not happen at all.Rain the 1 08:02, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I am perfectly happy to keep durations closed off at 2022 until production starts, per the WP:CRYSTAL argument. This is a specific and unusual situation that livelikemusic has interpreted in a certain way, and certainly required discussion rather than repeated reversions - as I pointed out in my edit summary at Mackenzie Hargreaves. The characters concerned should, however, be listed as Former; regular (returning) in the classification field and their last episodes to date should be removed. Does that sound acceptable? U-Mos (talk) 10:27, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure, I am more than fine to do that. I was just merely following what has been done for Neighbours articles in the past. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 05:39, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, I've standardised the infoboxes of all eleven returning characters to reflect this. U-Mos (talk) 19:10, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Other ytt members who joined the cast
Has anyone included Courtney Compagnino,Jamie Churchill and Joe Perrone in the former cast members section. Fiona Horwood (talk) 06:53, 11 August 2023 (UTC) Can you please include Petra Yared in the list of former cast members Fiona Horwood (talk) 07:12, 11 August 2023 (UTC) Please include Pia Miranda in the cast Fiona Horwood (talk) 23:22, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hey, I hope you do not mind that I put these 3 sections together - I thought it would be easier to merge them and reply here. Those 5 cast members only appeared as recurring or guest characters and thus they do not appear on this list as this is for regular characters only. They could appear on List of recurring Neighbours characters but ideally sourced. I hope this helps :) DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 04:57, 14 August 2023 (UTC)