Talk:List of former toponyms in Grevena Prefecture

As the introduction states, the alternative toponyms are of different origins. Therefore the term Slavic in the article name is misleading. If Slavic topony is one that is "used in a Slavic language", then we might as well have English toponyms of places in Grevena Prefecture, especially since they are used in all the tourist brochures. Likewise, we have toponyms that are "used in the Greek language" for other states, so we could have an article Greek toponyms of places in FYROM or wherever...? Politis (talk) 15:28, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

one biased and nationalist source was used
refer to the talk page of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Slavic_toponyms_for_Greek_places Seleukosa (talk) 10:43, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Please use the name parameter in long lists of coordinates
To increase the usefulness of the data in this article the coordinates should be given a proper name each, i.e.: °N, °W. Note that the type parameter set to city with the population number in braces is necessary. Thanks. --Dschwen 19:04, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Alphabet
Footnote 2 states that ""The Slavic is in the Macedonian alphabet," whereas in reality in the current version the Bulgarian alphabet is used (я, щ and the like). The Bulgarian spelling was introduced by an anonymous editor. Other similar sites have still Macedonian spelling.

The use of Cyrillic for localities in Greece is a controversial issue. As long as there are no sources that show that a particular Cyrillic spelling of a locality is or was actually used locally, it has no place here. This will most probably be in a historical context where only the Bulgarian alphabet existed. If spellings used during the Bulgarian occupation and during the Greek Civil War are significant enough to be mentioned is debatable, if yes, this belongs to the individual article about the locality under "History". How a locality in Greece is spelled in countries that use the Cyrillic alphabet is irrelevant.

The most neutral and encyclopedic way to treat this and similar lists is to use a Roman transcription of the former toponyms as they are used in the official renaming laws and compiled in the Pandektis list. The list can be copied here, there is no copuright restriction. Andreas (T) 14:30, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Places such as Greven do not require a Cyrillic transliteration, as the majority in Greven were always Turks, Greeks and Aromanians. But in places where Macedonian Slavs make up/made up a large majority the Cyrillic may be warranted. If you like go ahead and remove the Cyrillic on this page, but I would leave the others for now. PMK1 (talk) 04:42, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * If you can provide proofs, eg. sources, that the population was not of Slavic origin, then there is no need for Cyrillic. Going by Vasil Kanchov, 1900 The majority of the population was Greek, Greek Muslims and Aromanian. Feel free to adjust the page accordingly. PMK1 (talk) 04:49, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

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Nationalistic propaganda
The article lacks scientific methodology and documented references. It seems more like a POV article, written by amateurs without deep knowledge of history or linguistics, obviously motivated by nationalism. There is no single reference of any of the “old toponyms”. There is no evidence that any of these “old toponym” really existed in some documents (medieval correspondence, Ottoman tax documentation, Byzantine golden bulls, old maps, whatsoever…). There are only the names written in …Cyrillic, implying that the toponyms were Slavic!

Nevertheless, most of the referred examples in the tables were really the “old names” of the settlements. However, some of them existed only in the imagination of Slavs nationalists, who cannot stand seeing anything else but Slavic and Turkish old toponyms in Greece.

One of those imaginary “old toponyms” is Sveti Gorgi, which is supposed to has been changed in Aghios Georgios. However, the old name of Aghios Georgios was Tsouhli, which is double mentioned in the table. Another imaginary “old toponym” is Manastir Zapurta which is supposed to has been changed in “Agios Nikanoros Monastery”. However, the monastery of Transfiguration of Jesus, most known as Μοναστήρι της Ζάμπουρδας or Μονή Αγίου Νικάνορος was founded by the monk Nikanor in the mid of 16th century, when no slavic speakers existed in the area, and its greek name has never changed.

The toponyms Paleokhori, Arapi, Gournaki were Greek, and the toponym Chuka belong to the common vocabulary of the Balkan sprachbund. Some other, like Grintades, Baltino were also Greek. The modern Greek words γριντιά and βάλτος are of Slavic origin, but they are in use in Greek for centuries.

Some others are Aromanian and either haven’t changed (Avdella), or have been Hellenized (Saruna > Seirini).

The toponyms Kolokitaki Kalamach/Kalamitsa, as they were written in Ottoman documents, are Greek. They haven’t changed. They are just mentioned in formal documents with the formal forms of the folk names (Kolokythakion/Kalamitsi. The name changes in Grevena region, is a fact. However, the article doesn’t clarify this issue. It obfuscates it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.97.70.122 (talk) 12:41, 12 May 2023 (UTC)