Talk:List of games by Epic Games

Page name should be different
List of Epic Games games Niomni (talk) 13:49, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I was just thinking the same thing when I saw this. Zoom  ( talk page ) 16:38, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Though reading "Games games" seems kinda redundant, doesn't it? Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 08:09, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * List of games by Epic Games? List of Epic Games video games? Ben · Salvidrim!   &#9993;  13:54, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * List of games by Epic Games sounds fine. Zoom  ( talk page ) 14:39, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Much as I like idea of the repetition of games, it should probably be List of games by Epic Games. to reduce confusion. -- Pres N  17:47, 26 March 2018 (UTC)


 * ✅ As discussed for now. Anyone can start an RM if there's any disagreement between "games by Epic Games", "Epic Games games" and "Epic Games video games". Ben · Salvidrim!   &#9993;  17:58, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Column issues
The release date column has a few issues; I didn't want to revert right after it got changed so bringing it up here:
 * To be consistent with other by-company video game lists, including FLs (like List of id Software games, List of Enix games, etc.) this should be the full initial release date, not just the year. I know that some of the early games don't currently have more precise dates right now, but that's a matter of research, and the latter half has exact days.
 * It should not be the first column; this is a list of games, not a list of games by year, meaning that the that year/date of release is not the most important/distinguishing part.

Additionally, this list right now is only listing the developer, not publisher, but this causes an issue- Epic's early games were self-published, so you can assume that Epic is the publisher of all games regardless of the developer, but from 1996-2015 Epic stopped publishing operations, meaning that the publisher is no longer implicitly Epic. There's two ways to fix this: either add a publisher column, or split the list into two tables: developed by Epic / published (e.g. not developed) by Epic. Thoughts? -- Pres N  17:45, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Merge ZZT content
The ZZT is building up rather well. Super ZZT on the other hand is just a stub. It would be good idea to merge the two articles together, since the latter doesn't have very much information to expand on. The merged article would also serve to elaborate a bit on "Best of ZZT" and "ZZT's Revenge". The merged article can then be renamed "ZZT (series)". Any thoughts? Deltasim (talk) 22:44, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, first off I'm not sure this is the correct place to talk about it, but yeah, I think you could combine Super ZZT with the original and talk about all 4 releases in one article. The article would just be ZZT, you don't need a disambiguation if there's no other ZZT articles. Also, if you're poking at those articles, note the two ZZT sources I added to this list, and if you want me to send you photos of pages from the Anna Anthropy book let me know, she talks a lot about the game mechanics, though it's mainly in service of how they got used in the mod scene. -- Pres N  03:58, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


 * IMO, ZZT-oop should also be merged, as the article is completely unsourced. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 06:02, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Possible Date Inaccuracies
I've been digging through some of the sources and the ordering information of some of those games. Despite that polygon.com states "Epic Pinball" was released in 6 November 1993, the fact that the game using the Scream Tracker (which was released in 1994) for the audio, seems to say otherwise. It would be a good idea to verify how accurate the sources tied to the dates actually are. File dates in the game files may not be very accurate due to possible modifications to them files during their release and distribution. It won't be easy to find concrete evidence on the actual release dates, but it can't hurt to keep looking. Any thoughts on the dates and sources? Deltasim (talk) 16:14, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Scream Tracker 3.2.1 was released in 1994 (supposedly), but does Epic Pinball use 3.2.1, or just 3.x? And given that the source you added today was a catalog included with Epic Pinball that has forthcoming releases for February 1994, it can't have been released after that. So if it wasn't November 1993, it would have been in the following 2 months. -- Pres N  20:02, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Highway Hunter
Highway Hunter is supposedly published by Epic but probably only in America. German PC Player magazine doesn't mention Epic: Mika1h (talk) 16:54, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Nope, took me a bit to remember, but I did look this game up when making the list: Highway Hunter was published by Safari Software in 1994 (which is why the only reference in the Highway Hunter article, to AllGame, says that). Epic bought Safari in 1997, and took over distribution. Note that in ref 8 on this list article, "Epic MegaGames Author Info Pack" (1997), Appendix E lists Highway Hunter under "Safari Releases". -- Pres N  03:02, 4 September 2022 (UTC)