Talk:List of governors of Guam

Early Governors
I've added two more acting-Governors and removed "William Coe" from the list, unless someone can find some evidence other than |worldstatesmen.com for his existance. I know that they are an extremely good resource, but I've been searching newspaper archives and haven't found any trace of him, but that doesn't mean he doesn't exist. What I do have is several news articles that say that E. D. Taussig, who is not on the worldstatemen list, was the first governor to re-raise the American flag over Guam (March 1899), after the handful of local Governors following the US conquest and pullout in the Spanish-American war. I then have articles about Louis A. Kaiser (also not on their list) handing the keys to Gov. Leary, when he arrived in August 1899. Coe could have been another acting Gov. during that window, but for the life of me I can't find him and I'm getting pretty good at finding Navy people. (There should be an news article *somewhere* about him being promoted, for example, but nothing in the 1890 to 1910 timeframe that I see with my resources.) It's still hard to prove a negative. JRP 05:29, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

More early Governors - Joaquín Cruz Pérez
According to Guam govermnet website, Mr. Cruz Pérez was Acting Governor from 2/1 to 4/20/1899. Now, from what I can see of the timeline, this doesn't work. I have a New York Times article ("Spaniards Rise in Guam") from 12/30/1898 that mentions Sisto's overthrow of Portsach. (The following day, there is an article in the Times saying that "Captain Kempft" would be appointed Governor, but that obviously didn't happen.) On 1/15/1899, the NYT says that Leary was appointed Governor and he would (eventually) set out on the Yorktown. It would take quite a while for him to arrive, so there is plenty of room for acting-Governors. Then, the NYT says on 3/1/1899 (with a byline of 2/21 from Honolulu) that Taussig has "raised the flag" and is acting Governor. (According to a Guam history site, he arrived 1/12 and Sisto was Governor at the time. That site also supports the Portsach -> Sisto -> Jose Palomo -> Sisto progression.) An NYT article from 4/16 ("Government of Guam") seems to indicate that Taussig didn't stay long, setting up a local government. This could be where Cruz Perez fits in. In an article dated 8/2 ("Progress of the Governor of Guam"), the paper says that Kaiser is acting Governor. Leary finally arrives 8/29 and takes over.

To make a long story short, I'm reordering the list a bit, against what Worldstatesmen says. I'm still leaving out Coe, because I can find no mention of him anywhere, though he could have been on the "local government", but his name doesn't sound Spanish and it was already pretty clear that Portusach was the only American on the island. JRP 13:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Spoke too soon. Chamorro history site says that Coe was Samoan, which explains why I can't find Navy records of him. (They sure had fast turnaround...) Worldstatesmen says he was Gov until 8/7, which overlaps with Kaiser but because there is a gap from there to when Leary arrives, it all still fits. Good. Mystery solved. Sorry for the ramble. JRP 13:51, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Requested move 30 December 2017

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. See mostly opposition to the page move as proposed; however, this should not thwart the nom's plans to create a new article about the political post in the spirit of the 27 states listed below that have both list and. Creating the article at Draft:Governor of Guam is good advice. Happy New Year to All! (closed by page mover)  Paine Ellsworth   put'r there 02:47, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

List of Governors of Guam → Governor of Guam – I plan to create a separate article about the political post (Governor of Guam). It seems that I can't unless an admin authorizes the removal of the redirect link to "Lists of Governors of Guam". Please remove the redirect link so that I can finally construct the new article. Thank you! Mr.agf671 (talk) 04:58, 30 December 2017 (UTC)


 * User:Mr.agf671: There are two options you should explore before requesting a move here. First, you could add the material you have planned to the introduction of this article and then request a move.  (However, note that almost all "Governor of..." titles redirect to a "List of..." article even if there is text about the office itself [e.g. Governor of Alabama, Governor of Pennsylvania].)  Alternatively, you could create a draft article and then request a move to mainspace afterward.  Otherwise, I would have to oppose your proposed move as it is based on future plans.  —  AjaxSmack  20:58, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * With subsequent edits to the article, I no longer oppose a move. —  AjaxSmack 03:32, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think it needs to be moved. For most US state articles, even with substantiantial content on the governor it remains at "list of xyz". Either that or there are separate "list of" and "governor of" articles, but not combined as such at the proposed title. Galobtter (pingó mió) 08:31, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * The original proposer says that plan to create a separate article about the political post - not that really wants the move I think.... Galobtter (pingó mió) 08:32, 6 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Let us have a discussion and seek consensus as to what should happen, but I doubt this move is a good thing. It doesn't seem to be what anyone wants. (And the reverted cut-and-paste move wasn't the right thing either IMO.) Andrewa (talk) 09:11, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm, from Template talk:US Chief Executives, "IMO, many of the List articles have only been made into lists so they can become WP:Featured lists, not because organizing/separating them into lists is organizationally superior." I'm gonna bypass the redirects in that template, to get a better picture of the lists / not lists. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:15, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note that Governor of Colorado is a WP:Featured list which was promoted when it was titled List of Governors of Colorado. It was moved from List of Governors of Colorado to Governor of Colorado per a June 2010 requested move: "Just because it includes lists doesn't mean it has to have "list" in the title. Heck, the former Governor of Colorado article's content has even been merged to and it now redirects to here." Discussion there about the merits of moving vs. copy-pasting. There are 25 deleted edits sitting underneath List of Governors of Colorado from a previous merge; these should be restored to restore attribution for that merge. Moving over the top of a page with content history is a no-no as this deletes that content history. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:43, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I've restored the deleted content edits. Past merges:
 * 29 September 2006 – List of Governors of Colorado merged to Governor of Colorado
 * 11 February 2010
 * 7 July 2010 (history-merged)
 * This might be the muddiest history needing cleanup, but not the only state with content merges between the "main article" and the "list article". The problem here is a fundamental violation of WP:Summary style. The "list" articles are sub-topics of the main articles. The list is optional; if there is not sufficient content to justify a split into two articles the list may be merged into the main article. However there shouldn't be any orphaned sub-topic articles – that is an unstable situation. If you cut off a topic's head, it will persistently try to regenerate itself, until it succeeds. A list without a main article about the topic being listed is a recipe for instability. Follow the summary style guidelines. – wbm1058 (talk) 21:49, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

States with one article at the "list of" title
Alabama · Alaska · Arizona · Arkansas · Connecticut · Delaware · Florida · Georgia · Idaho · Louisiana · Mississippi · Missouri · Montana · Nevada · Ohio · Pennsylvania · Rhode Island · Utah · Washington · West Virginia · Wyoming

States with one article at the "Governor of" title
Colorado · Massachusetts

States with two articles – at "Governor of" and "list of" titles
27 states
 * California
 * list
 * Hawaii
 * list
 * Illinois
 * list
 * Indiana
 * list
 * Iowa
 * list
 * Kansas
 * list
 * Kentucky
 * list
 * Maine
 * list
 * Maryland
 * list
 * Michigan
 * list
 * Minnesota
 * list
 * Nebraska
 * list
 * New Hampshire
 * list
 * New Jersey
 * list
 * New Mexico
 * list
 * New York
 * list
 * North Carolina
 * list
 * North Dakota
 * list
 * Oklahoma
 * list
 * Oregon
 * list
 * South Carolina
 * list
 * South Dakota
 * list
 * Tennessee
 * list
 * Texas
 * list
 * Vermont
 * list
 * Virginia
 * list
 * Wisconsin
 * list


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Post RM

 * Actually, I think it would be better to revert this reversion, rather than start a fork of that in Draft namespace. Regards, wbm1058 (talk) 03:19, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * if that was actually a c&p move (partial?), as the reverter describes in their edit summary, then maybe not? Isn't it better to encourage editors to use their own words and style within the guidance of the MoS when creating list-topic pages?  Paine Ellsworth   put'r there  16:28, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

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Template:Contradicts others
I was attempting to make some improvements to the articles of the governors themselves when I ran into a problem mainly involving the article of William Swift and the navigational box. According to this List, Leary was the first American Naval governor, Safford was an acting governor starting from June 12th of 1900, Schroeder was the second governor from July 12th of 1900 to 1903, Swift was an acting governor in 1903, Sewell was the third governor, Schofield was an acting governor, Stone was an acting governor, Dyer was the fourth governor, McNamee was the fifth governor from 1905 to 1906, Potts was the sixth governor, McNamee was an acting governor following Potts in 1907, Dorn was the seventh governor, and Freyer was the eighth. The Governors of Guam navigational box lists the order as: "Leary Safford Schroeder Swift Schroeder Sewell Schofield" with Schroeder listed both before and after Swift. The List has two individuals with the number 3 (Sewell, Stone) and skips from number 20 (Brown) to number 23 (Shapley).

For individual articles:


 * Richard P. Leary claims on the succession box at the bottom of the article that Schroeder was his successor and that Schroeder was an acting governor.
 * William Edwin Safford claims on the list to have been in office from June 1900 to July 1900 and is claimed to have been the "deputy to the naval governor of Guam" in the article.
 * Seaton Schroeder claims on the list to have been in office from July 1900 to January 1903, the article text just mentions starting July 1900, and the succession box claims that he had a gap of some sort in 1901 that isn't mentioned. Schroeder succession box also claims that his first predecessor was Leary instead of Safford.
 * William Swift claims on the list to have been in office in 1903 while his article claims it to have been in 1901.
 * William Elbridge Sewell claims on the list to have been in office until May 1904, in the article's infobox until January 1904, and in the article's text until March 1904 (This seems to be an issue due to his death, but there isn't consistency on how it is handled); the article also claims that he was the "6th Naval Governor of Guam" which is a problem twice later on; finally the infobox claims his successor to be Schofield while the succession box lists Dyer as his successor.
 * Raymond Stone claims in the infobox to be the "8th Naval Governor of Guam" while his successor, Dyer, claims to be the 6th; additionally the List shows him to be an acting governor and the third governor.
 * George Leland Dyer claims that he served 1904-1905 in the infobox, but 1905-1906 in the succession box; the infobox and the succession box claim his predecessor was Sewell instead of Stone; and the infobox claims he is the "6th Naval Governor of Guam" which Sewell's article also claims.
 * Luke McNamee has a section as governor, which states both times he was an acting governor while the succession box lists his years both times as 1905-1906.

There are also articles like Lloyd Stowell Shapley where the infobox lists him as the "25th Naval Governor of Guam", the lede as the "32nd Naval Governor of Guam", and here as the "23rd American Naval Governor of Guam" along with a number of succession boxes that appear inaccurate if a governor was an acting Governor or not. (The navigational box does not show any of the Naval Governors as an acting Governor.) Given the number of issues, I have added the  template until things can be untangled. --Super Goku V (talk) 11:18, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * : I would suggest using this book and this as a definitive list. I can, for instance, find no indication that Safford was in office from June to July 1900, and suspect that's mistaking 'deputy to' as 'the naval governor' as you suggest. this also supports Schroeder as the second governor. That in turn would allow leary to be followed by schroeder and Leary to precede Schroeder. this source suggests that swift was an acting deputy in 1901 and this that he was relieved the same year. The U of Hawaii book omits him entirely. Schroeder then returns, for his second round, leaving in 1903. Sewell died in March 1904, but left his command in January 1904, as suggested in the book. Sewell was either third, fourth, or fifth, depending upon whether you count Schroeder twice or once and whether Swift was acting or permanent. All sources I see suggest that Sewell was followed by Schonfield in an acting capacity and eventually Dyer in a permanent role. Stone was an acting governor, so I wouldn't count him as a number at all. Sources agree that Dyer was preceded by Stone and served from 1904 to 1905. Counting is subjective as I mention above. McNamee appears twice on my lists, the first time in 1905 and the second in 1907, though sources differ on whether he was acting the second time. Counting is odd... That's all I came up with, not sure if it helps or not. Given it's about military governors, you could ask at WT:MILHIST to see if anyone can come up with better sourcing or at the humanities reference desk. Cheers, Eddie891 Talk Work 12:01, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Possible vandal by 223.25.62.60
I noticed 223.25.62.60 changed birth dates on 06:59, July 17, 2021 to ‎Living former governors section.

Paul McDonald Calvo - s/b: July 25, 1934

Joseph Franklin Ada - s/b: December 3, 1943

Carl Gutierrez s/b: October 15, 1941

Felix Perez Camacho s/b: October 30, 1957

Eddie Baza Calvo s/b: October 30, 1957

SWP13 (talk) 15:26, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

>> Fixed dates.SWP13 (talk) 15:33, 18 October 2021 (UTC)