Talk:List of governors of Michigan

Suggest move
I think this should be moved to Governor of Michigan. It can and should be expanded to include more information on the office. --Elliskev 13:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Disagree; all of the other lists are at the list. The article on the office should be about the office, not the people in it. --Golbez 18:30, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay. I'll start the article. --Elliskev 18:48, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Pre-FLC comments (that I'd make there anyway!)
The Rambling Man (talk) 18:36, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:YEAR says don't bother repeating the century in a year range if it doesn't change.
 * "He or so is" -> "He or she is"?!
 * "The state was originally part" I would say "Michigan was..." as it's a new para.
 * Not keen on the "(see List of Governors of Ohio)" etc, isn't there a more elegant way of using wikilinks here rather than just do this? Or use the See also section?
 * "The following are the governors of the Territory of Michigan:" -> are should be were, and don't relink governor.
 * In the captions, things like "the 1st..." and "the 2nd", better off writing them as "first" and "second".
 * Prefer "No." to the hash in the table heading for the number of the governor.
 * Ah, now there are issues where you have just blue cells e.g. some of the notes cells (suggest they're all made white) have nothing in them at all. Also, when the Lt Gov represents a different party, you need more than just the colour.... (sorry if I misled you).
 * Would expect notes to be referenced.
 * Refs 2 thru 7 refer to "Michigan Constitution" but I'm not sure which one you mean.
 * Ref 9 is also in the general ref section.

FLC premature
With the color bands going all the way across, too many offices in the "other offices held" table (I can't say I own these articles but I've generally confined these to ambassadorial, congressional, district court, and cabinet-or-above executive posts; mayor of detroit wouldn't qualify), the minimal state of the territorial governor table, and a lot of redlinks in the Lt Gov column, FLC is definitely premature. I'll see what work I can do on this tonight. I'm not saying a lot of good work hasn't been done here, but it's not there yet. --Golbez (talk) 21:26, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * To take these point by point:
 * I'm not sure what's wrong with the color bands going all the way across - there is nothing in WP:ACCESS that's against this as far as I can tell. If you want to change it though, go ahead.
 * The only office outside of your criteria in the "other offices held" table would be two held by Murphy, and even then I might argue. Detroit is (or was) one of the largest cities in the country, and even after a major population drop in the last few decades has a larger population than several states. I fail to see what it's hurting to include it, anyway.
 * Looking at other territorial governor lists, this one should probably have the dates split into two columns, and have an "appointed by" added. I can do this a bit later.
 * The red-linked Lt. Govs are minimal - a quick count gives me 18 out of 60, and these are the only red links now in the article. If more articles are created for these 18, that's great, but I don't think that this level violates FL criteria.
 * So, overall, I'll work on the territorial governor section a bit later, but I think the remainder of your comments are either personal preference or things that would be nice, but are not required. Dana boomer (talk) 22:07, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Table list of living former governors
So, what is the consensus on this? There have been recent attempts to add it back, even though the lead mentions the living ones. Any new opinion, or is the consensus unchanged? Chris857 (talk) 04:19, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
 * There was consensus at the FLC to remove this section and just have the names in the lead (which I am fine with...if information can be easily presented in a sentence, why have a full table for it). If people want to have a new discussion here on the talk page, that's fine, but just trying to revert-war the table back into the article against consensus is not the answer. Dana boomer (talk) 06:53, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

I'd been pondering removing the living governors chart from the existing FLs, as it just demands extra maintenance for very little payoff. So I don't mind removing it. It could easily live in the intro, and maybe not even there. If someone wants to know which governors are still alive, they can easily check. (Of course, I'd also been pondering removing the "other high offices" charts, but that's a bigger deal perhaps) --Golbez (talk) 14:27, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I propose that Governor of Michigan be merged into List of Governors of Michigan. There is very little content on Governor of Michigan page and some Governor articles use the list article as the main article, such as List of Governors of Florida and List of Governors of Ohio. Thoughts? Natself16 (talk) 12:13, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose, the reason the Florida/Ohio articles have one article is because the article about the separate office has not been created yet. These are two distinct pages: the first describes the powers, duties, and qualifications of the Governor of Michigan, and the second lists current and former officeholders. MB298 (talk) 03:22, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, there is substantial amount of content on the Governor article, no doubt it could be expanded however. MB298 (talk) 03:24, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose—there is enough different content to warrant separate articles.  Imzadi 1979  →   03:40, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

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Modernization
Since a big chunk of this was just reverted by, I will try to justify it here: I would love for Imzadi to respond, but I'm respecting WP:BRD on this. --Golbez (talk) 14:20, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Trimming of the history: That much detail is not needed, no context for how it became a territory is required, that's for the article on the territory.
 * Trimming of the powers: That much detail is not needed, that's for the article on the office.
 * Removal of the 'other high offices': Inherently subjective, difficult to maintain, and adds nothing to an understanding of the office. Some of the individuals, sure, but the office.
 * Removal of the 'living governors': IMO, adds nothing to anything. I get that some people care about which/how many presidents are alive at any given moment, but that doesn't mean every single office warrants that kind of attention. I have seen no one other than Wiki trivia wonks who want it there - and I say that not as an insult, I'm a wiki trivia wonk, but I also think that when it's *just* for us, and not for the reader, then it doesn't belong. Everything that requires maintenance should justify itself, and I don't see this doing that.

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