Talk:List of hamlets in Alberta

List of hamlets
I just deleted a large swath of communities from the list of hamlets as they were not officially recognized as hamlets by Alberta Municipal Affairs according to its 2009 Municipal Codes. Perhaps those that were deleted could be listed in a new article for other unincorporated communities in Alberta (i.e., unincorporated settlements, unincorporated places, or localities, etc). --Hwy43 (talk) 10:30, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I think that those removed from this list, and not listed in List of ghost towns in Alberta, should be deleted as they are not notable. 117Avenue (talk) 22:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

There are some notable exceptions that are neither ghost towns nor hamlets, such as the former urban municipalities and hamlets within the Municipality of Crowsnest Pass (i.e., Bellevue, Blairmore, Coleman, Frank and Hillcrest Mines), the former hamlets within the rural portions of the Town of Drumheller (i.e., Nacmine, East Coulee, Wayne, Rosedale, etc) and communities on military bases (i.e., Ralston at CFB Suffield, Denwood at CFB Wainwright and Lancaster Park/Steele Barracks at CFB Edmonton). --Hwy43 (talk) 07:37, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I have listed all short, not notable settlements at Articles for deletion/January 9. 117Avenue (talk) 00:11, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

I now understand better what you were initially proposing. I don't think it is appropriate to delete their articles. All of them are notable, albeit less notable than most hamlets, for reasons too numerous to mention. What I was proposing was to prepare a separate new article listing these other unincorporated communities. Its potential benefit would be a place to redirect the future uninformed edit attempts by others to the Hamlets of Alberta article now that it is consistent with Alberta Municipal Affairs' list of hamlets. I have to admit though that I'm not overly motivated to implement this proposal. --Hwy43 (talk) 04:54, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it possible to compile a list of formerly registered settlements (whether they were a hamlet, village, or town) somewhere? Maybe on List of ghost towns in Alberta, just explain they are not registered Ghost Towns either. I think that that could be informative, just like in List of cities in Alberta the paragraph on former cities is informative. 117Avenue (talk) 00:54, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi 117Avenue, if you look at Talk:List of communities in Alberta, it is my future intent to include a Former Municipalities section on this article for former cities, towns, villages and summer villages lost through the dissolution or amalgamation processes, but I just haven't gotten to it yet. Under the Hamlets of Alberta article, we could probably do the same for former hamlets. However, any communities that were undesignated from hamlet status prior to 1999 would be unverifiable as Alberta Municipal Affairs has only posted 1999 through 2009 Municipal Codes publications. I don't have hard copies of earlier editions, nor am I aware if earlier editions even exist. Note that I have already compared each of the 11 editions of the Municipal Codes to determine which communities were dropped and added in which years over the 11-year time period. All that is left to do is to determine how to present this information. Cheers, --Hwy43 (talk) 06:25, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Hamlet populations
I've just finished updating population figures for a bunch of hamlets. The figures are from breakdowns of municipal censuses conducted by specialized and rural municipalities between 2006 and 2009 inclusive, where these censuses were accepted by Alberta Municipal Affairs (AMA) and where the breakdown figures are verifiable from official municipal websites. I have figures for more hamlets from municipal censuses conducted over the same time period, where the censuses were also accepted by AMA. However, they aren't verifiable by links from municipal websites. Instead, the figures were obtained through direct inquiries to the municipalities via email. Although these figures aren't verifiable in terms of web links, they are in terms of these emails. Shall I include these figures as well? Their inclusion would increase the total number of hamlets with population figures in this article. Cheers, --Hwy43 (talk) 07:34, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Tough to say, all populations should be included for comparison sake, but all facts must be verifiable. 117Avenue (talk) 00:13, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, include all available numbers. --Qyd (talk) 05:44, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Consolidation of hamlet tables
I suspect I understand why the list of hamlets was originally broken into numerous alphabetical sub-tables instead of into one large table – ease of navigation within the list since the list was so long. With the recent weeding out of approximately 140 communities that weren't actually hamlets, we are now down to a more manageable size. As such, shall we consolidate all the sub-tables into one table? This will allow us to sort all the hamlets by administering municipality or latest population. The sortability functions already built into the sub-tables are not that helpful if you can only sort hamlets starting with the letter 'S' and not all hamlets. Thoughts? Cheers, --Hwy43 (talk) 07:51, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, they should all be listed in one table for the sorts to work. Its still a long table, but that is how I think it should be done. 117Avenue (talk) 00:16, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Proposed move

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:27, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Hamlets of Alberta → List of hamlets in Alberta — To conform to List of communities in Alberta, List of towns in Alberta, List of Alberta Indian reserves, List of ghost towns in Alberta, List of Alberta municipal districts, and WP:LIST. 117Avenue (talk) 23:51, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Support to bring consistency in naming conventions among all Alberta community-related list articles. If executed, I would also like to see the following:
 * List of Alberta municipal districts → List of municipal districts in Alberta;
 * List of Alberta Indian reserves → List of Indian reserves in Alberta;
 * List of Alberta settlements → List of settlements in Alberta;
 * Specialized municipalities of Alberta → List of specialized municipalities in Alberta; and
 * Designated places of Alberta → List of designated places in Alberta.
 * Alternately, all Alberta community-related list articles could be moved using the article naming convention of List of Alberta X, where X = the community type. --Hwy43 (talk) 01:56, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I support designated places (because I forgot it needed to be moved too). But I oppose specialized municipalities, with a list of five, it is more content then it is a list. Municipal districts and Indian reserves are areas rather than communities, and I don't think it needs to follow the same conventions. 117Avenue (talk) 04:49, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Specialized municipalities: agree for the time being until such time as more municipalities in Alberta change their status to specialized municipality.
 * Municipal districts and Indian reserves: disagree based on the recent discussion associated with renaming List of communities in Alberta. It was determined that communities was the appropriate overarching term to describe all the municipalities and unincorporated places listed within that article.  As such, they should be subject to the same conventions to be consistent with the other Alberta municipality lists proposed for moves and with the content of List of communities in Alberta. Municipal districts and Indian reserves are rural communities that are large in area and small population densities while cities, towns, villages and summer villages are urban communities that are smaller in area and have larger population densites, in comparison. --Hwy43 (talk) 02:48, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
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