Talk:List of heads of government of Russia

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Early people
I'm not convinced that any of the people listed here before Witte in 1905 should be considered heads of government. john k (talk) 04:04, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I'd tend to agree. As an absolute monarchy, surely the Emperor/Empress would have been the head of government? Sotakeit (talk) 12:49, 18 August 2014 (UTC)


 * You both probably have a different understanding of a head of government. The Emperor/Empress was the head of state, not the government. Also by that you decline any reliable sources that list almost the same politicans, even in soviet sources.--Tomcat (7) 18:50, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Does the word "Autocrat" mean anything to you ? Or  "L'etat, c'est moi".   The notion that the head of government is different to the head of state is a fairly modern one,  and not universal either.   Look at the United States, for example.  I agree with the previous comments, that this list looks rather dubious.  Lathamibird (talk) 07:29, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Furthermore, even if the emperor has appointed a cabinet/privy council/committee of ministers,  call it what you like,  to be a "government",  then only one of them can be the prime minister/head of government .   The table currently lists multiple "ministers" with the same period of service.  They can't all be the "head" of the "government".Lathamibird (talk) 07:34, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


 * However, sources say that highest ministers before Witte were de facto heads of government, eg here it says that Charles Frederick of Holstein-Gottorp was factual head of government. But I am not an expert, I just trust reliable sources.--Tomcat (7) 17:47, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Disputed
I believe that the information in this article's tables is incorrect—at least, it seems incorrect for the table in the "After 1905" section. The problem is the "Head of State" column. This column lists the de facto leaders of the Soviet Union, whereas it should actually list the Head of State of Russia. Russia, as the RSFSR, was a nominally independent country within the Soviet Union, and as such had its own head of government and head of state, and these heads were distinct from those of the Union. It would make more sense in this table to show the Russian heads of state rather than the Soviet ones. (But even if not, the list of Soviet heads of state here is still wrong. For one thing, it shows the de facto leaders, not de jure ones.  For another, even the timeline of de facto leaders is wrong, since Khrushchev definitively succeeded Stalin only after a lengthy interregnum.) —Psychonaut (talk) 13:32, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually the table lists the Head of the Government of the Russian SSR. The Head of Government of USSR can be found here. The Head of Government and the Head of State were different institutions. The first Head of State as the Head of Central Executive Committee, then the Supreme Soviet; the Head of Government was the Head of the Council of People's Commissars, then the Cabinet Council.--User:Tomcat7 (talk) 16:27, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I know that the table lists the Heads of Government of the RSFSR, and I have no reason to believe that this part of the table is inaccurate. I am saying only that the rightmost column of the table, labelled "Head of State", is wrong.  That column (if it is to be kept at all), needs to list the Heads of State of the RSFSR, not the de facto leaders of the USSR, which is what it currently does (modulo some mistakes). —Psychonaut (talk) 13:40, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I understood, your comment seems to be more logical, so I changed it accordingly.--User:Tomcat7 (talk) 15:14, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for making the change! I think the table in that section is correct now so I will remove the "disputed" template.  It might be a good idea for someone more familiar with the relevant historical periods to make sure the tables in the other sections don't have a similar problem. —Psychonaut (talk) 17:08, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

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